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Post by coqui900 on Oct 21, 2018 15:49:03 GMT -5
Because he has a lot of recruiting connections? If he was in trouble, he’d be in trouble. But he’s not so why can’t he be hired. He can be hired. But with that comes risk. We have to live with headlines and articles like this. If the school is fine with it, so be it. I am not comfortable with us hiring an ace recruiter from a college where part of his time was spent essentially as a bag man for the program. And while he had nothing to do with the dorm room strippers, it’s like... he comes from a place with a misguided perspective about the importance of winning college basketball games (to say the least). I don’t want to support a win-at-all-costs program.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 21, 2018 15:56:21 GMT -5
You’re basing the ‘bag man’ claim off of one parent who is doing a lot of talking. Nothing has been proven or admitted.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 21, 2018 15:57:33 GMT -5
If you think he responds like this to Nova too, ok, that’s a threshold crossed. I’ll respect that. The next threshold is considering whether Johnson (allegedly) paying unpaid labor is bad because it’s bad and a disqualifier or if it’s bad because it’s against the rules and the people who want to keep the money for themselves made the rules. If you’re arguing against a person’s employment, I hope it’s being done with full consideration for all factors. (And I promise I’d feel this way whether it were La Salle hiring him or any of exactly 350 other teams doing it.)
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Post by diehardexplorer on Oct 21, 2018 16:11:06 GMT -5
Because he has a lot of recruiting connections? If he was in trouble, he’d be in trouble. But he’s not so why can’t he be hired. I am not comfortable with us hiring an ace recruiter from a college where part of his time was spent essentially as a bag man for the program. that's a totally unfair statement. so you believe the testimony of that slime bag bowen sr who profited off his kid for years. jensen claims johnson has never denied it but adam zagoria wrote an article and tweeted that johnson did deny it. and i thought people were innocent until proven guilty.
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Post by las71 on Oct 21, 2018 16:24:55 GMT -5
Johnson didn't commit a crime, he appears to have broken an NCAA rule. He didn't break it at La Salle or for La Salle. Many commentators think the rule is unfair and so do I. Pitino made 8 million last year. Why can't he make 6.7 and each kid on scholarship get $100,000. Still only costs the school $8 million and the people filling the seats get a piece. There's no moral or legal issue here, it's just about who gets the money. If I was Bradshaw, I would let Johnson work.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 21, 2018 16:47:20 GMT -5
Just to balance things out a bit, if we were hiring someone off like Art Briles’ staff or something I’d be absolutely w/ Coqui here. I just don’t care at all about these violations, real or not, because I think they’re better than following the rules.
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Post by broderickpresident on Oct 21, 2018 17:25:06 GMT -5
If you don’t think there’s a great chance Johnson is slimey, you obviously are unfamiliar with the Rick pitino coaching tree
He brought a failed head coach back from the dead who had sold Speedy on the mother F’n MCC! A DEVIL AMONG MEN!
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Post by MisterD on Oct 21, 2018 17:51:45 GMT -5
Are you letting the NCAA define what’s slimy or does players getting a share of the profits offend you? You could tell me tomorrow Johnson paid Bowen’s dad and I wouldn’t care one bit.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 21, 2018 19:37:12 GMT -5
Let’s not fight that battle.
My position: The new coach that I really wanted wished to hire someone so much that he asked the administration to take a chance. Until the FBI or NCAA comes knocking, that’s all that matters.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 21, 2018 20:45:52 GMT -5
It’s a battle worth fighting. In 20 years no one will pretend paying players is wrong any more than they pretend weed is wrong.
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Post by mookie on Oct 21, 2018 20:52:39 GMT -5
It’s a battle worth fighting. In 20 years no one will pretend paying players is wrong any more than they pretend weed is wrong. But until that time, rules are rules.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 21, 2018 21:21:11 GMT -5
Nooooooope. Big nope. Rules are rules at a point in time, but you can refuse to condemn those who don’t abide.
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Post by weston2 on Oct 21, 2018 22:50:32 GMT -5
It’s a battle worth fighting. In 20 years no one will pretend paying players is wrong any more than they pretend weed is wrong. Well in this case it's at least medical marijuana.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 22, 2018 7:15:17 GMT -5
Either perfect parody or ...
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Post by bernards on Oct 22, 2018 7:21:19 GMT -5
One of the questions I would be interested in knowing is how effective he can be with this hanging over his head. This is both coaching and recruiting. Would a sabbatical be a useful. Another point is that Ash may be depending on his bench assistance this year.
We should avoid prejudging him without all the facts in.
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Post by mookie on Oct 22, 2018 7:25:06 GMT -5
Nooooooope. Big nope. Rules are rules at a point in time, but you can refuse to condemn those who don’t abide. And at this time, it’s a rule. Whether we agree with the rule is a different story. I’m not condemning the coach nor am i saying he shouldn’t be here.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 22, 2018 7:39:38 GMT -5
You’re basing the ‘bag man’ claim off of one parent who is doing a lot of talking. Nothing has been proven or admitted. So you care about things being proven or admitted to sit on a La Salle bench. But a couple weeks ago he didn't care a guy trying to sit on a bench with 30 year old allegations without a single piece being proven or corroborated. Hmmm.... This doesn’t go past this level of discourse, but if you can’t see the difference between both the allegations and the responsibility I can’t help ya.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 22, 2018 7:40:38 GMT -5
One of the questions I would be interested in knowing is how effective he can be with this hanging over his head. This is both coaching and recruiting. Would a sabbatical be a useful. Another point is that Ash may be depending on his bench assistance this year. We should avoid prejudging him without all the facts in. A high school junior isn’t going to give a shit. This is a story only us and other local forum assholes are interested in.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 22, 2018 8:32:43 GMT -5
Nooooooope. Big nope. Rules are rules at a point in time, but you can refuse to condemn those who don’t abide. And at this time, it’s a rule. Whether we agree with the rule is a different story. I’m not condemning the coach nor am i saying he shouldn’t be here. Bet ya the NCAA cares about their rules, and they're the only dog who really matters here... But then I came back to reality and remembered the NCAA is joke and reverses their own punishments regularly.
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Post by weston2 on Oct 22, 2018 8:39:19 GMT -5
Johnson didn't commit a crime, he appears to have broken an NCAA rule. He didn't break it at La Salle or for La Salle. Many commentators think the rule is unfair and so do I. Pitino made 8 million last year. Why can't he make 6.7 and each kid on scholarship get $100,000. Still only costs the school $8 million and the people filling the seats get a piece. There's no moral or legal issue here, it's just about who gets the money. If I was Bradshaw, I would let Johnson work. IF it ever becomes something like that, forget college basketball. Colleges would need to do a lot of soul searching to put something out there like that...…………..while the average paying student, who comes based upon grades. pays through the nose. Another thought, college doesn't need to be 4 years, it's a waste for some of those courses you don't need. Three years should be more than enough. Community colleges offer 2 years certification programs that produce good paying jobs. Heck it's been 1 and done for the NBA, LOL!
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Post by MisterD on Oct 22, 2018 8:43:03 GMT -5
The "average paying student" doesn't generate revenue for the university.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 22, 2018 9:28:26 GMT -5
This is a story only us and other local forum assholes are interested in. I think you called yourself an asshole
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 22, 2018 9:30:23 GMT -5
This is a story only us and other local forum assholes are interested in. I think you called yourself an asshole Was mainly looking at Overbrook.
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Post by las71 on Oct 22, 2018 9:31:06 GMT -5
Why don't people argue that paying Pitino 8 million is unfair to students who pay their way through school. Mention paying student athlete's the market rate and all of a sudden that's unfair to the regular students. It's a business and has been for years. It's just about who is going to get the money.
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Post by mookie on Oct 22, 2018 9:33:57 GMT -5
If Johnson broke an NCAA rule, he did so at another university. What he does here is what I’m concerned about. He’s not a distraction and I don’t think there’s any evidence at this time to prove it’s impacting his ability at La Salle. Of course, I’m not involved in the day to day so for me it’s all speculation but at the same time I’m sure La Salle was aware of the potential risks and PR that would come with the hire. I trust the admin and those in charge to have performed their due diligence.
Now, if he were to violate rules again while here then there’s a different conversation to be had.
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Post by weston2 on Oct 22, 2018 17:37:10 GMT -5
The "average paying student" doesn't generate revenue for the university. Oh, and that tuition is just chump change to pay some of those professor people.....…..it's not really Revenue. Besides, as some might say, there is no connection with the basketball team and the rest of the student body, anyway. Through another player into a class hey, you can play with numbers.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 26, 2018 12:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by 23won on Oct 29, 2018 7:15:31 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 29, 2018 7:59:12 GMT -5
Mike is a good reporter, but I agree he was off base on this one.
He'll probably cover it from the standpoint of how this affects St. Joe's losses to Creighton.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 11, 2020 22:34:26 GMT -5
this thread aged well
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