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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 10, 2018 11:17:44 GMT -5
WE WANT BARABBAS!!!!!
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Post by durenduren on Oct 10, 2018 11:42:48 GMT -5
It's natural to be concerned about this, but it's unfair to assume what one slimball said in court to save his own ass is truthful. It's also unfair to assume that this was hidden from La Salle. Just need to ride this one out and see what happens, and La Salle should be doing the same thing - comment isn't necessary at this point, and would only create problems.
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Post by broderickpresident on Oct 10, 2018 11:55:51 GMT -5
"See what happens" is exactly what they should have done before making this hire. He was part of an active FBI investigation
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 10, 2018 12:19:18 GMT -5
Another post like the one above and you’re gone. You’re a guest here. Joe you don’t think that La Salle admin needs to make a comment on one of their employees being implicated in a federal trial? This is a legit question. I’ll grant you some spin doctors would say the best thing to do is to remain silent. That’s what Al Morganti calls the villanova treatment. Ignore it and it will go away. This is why that clown was banned. He was warned to cut the shit and he didn't. He wasn't a La Salle fan, he was someone probably from another local team that wants to do goofy stuff. The same people saying it was a quick ban are also the people that scream and yell about how this board makes the administration look. I'm fine with talking about this, but spacecadet was not looking for discussion. He was looking to stir up shit.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 10, 2018 12:22:43 GMT -5
That is a totally fair post by spacecadet. And I also don't like the idea that posters should have to be La Salle fans in order to have opinions about actual La Salle news topics.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 10, 2018 12:24:25 GMT -5
That is a totally fair post by spacecadet. And I also don't like the idea that posters should have to be La Salle fans in order to have opinions about actual La Salle news topics. Absolutely not what I said. If you can't see what was happening there I can't help you.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 10, 2018 12:32:42 GMT -5
History shows that isn't true. Look, BEHoops is still here, and his opinions suck mostly suck and are Nova-centric. Dolphins is clearly on Schedule 4 drugs, but he's still here. But half of spacedoods posts were nonsense about Dr. G-Unit.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 10, 2018 12:33:54 GMT -5
I saw what happened there. A guy with a message board didn't like a couple posts, so he didn't let the new kid sit at his lunch table. Didn't need your help to see that.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 10, 2018 12:47:34 GMT -5
If a new kid sits down at the lunch table and starts antagonizing and trying to bait everyone, s/he's not going to last very long at that table.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 10, 2018 12:48:41 GMT -5
"See what happens" is exactly what they should have done before making this hire. He was part of an active FBI investigation Johnson has a rep as one of the best recruiters in the nation. If La Salle waited to see what happened, what they'd see happen is Johnson going elsewhere.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 10, 2018 13:24:35 GMT -5
I'm kinda at a loss that of all the times when people have been banned, as if there's ever been more than a small handful to begin with, this is the one hill you want to die on? The guy was just trying to antagonize, he wasn't bringing opinions to the table. Hardly a loss, IMO.
Now bringing AngryAl or BergenBulldog back, the laughs would be worth the trouble alone.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 10, 2018 15:01:07 GMT -5
I'm kinda at a loss that of all the times when people have been banned, as if there's ever been more than a small handful to begin with, this is the one hill you want to die on? The guy was just trying to antagonize, he wasn't bringing opinions to the table. Hardly a loss, IMO. Now bringing AngryAl or BergenBulldog back, the laughs would be worth the trouble alone. Fair point, especially with a small sample size. But in general I've never liked when people have been banned from the board (except for that whole "go eat a bag of d****" incident and related things), and I've never liked when posts have been deleted (which I've gotten heated about in the past as well). Simply put, I don't think this board (or the previous one for that matter) does a good job of welcoming new voices. I thought spacecadet's style was a bit harsh, but I felt like his points had some validity. The whole thread is called "Yay or Yikes" and I think some people on the board don't want outsiders to be able to jump on the "yikes" side of that debate (or start a trend of more outsiders doing just that). So what if he questions the due diligence the university did on Johnson? What's wrong with discussing that - on a discussion board?
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Post by las71 on Oct 10, 2018 15:22:58 GMT -5
Manayunk 53. I too welcome new members and what they add to the mix. Our fanbase has been shrinking and we are not growing the program without a larger group of committed fans. The problem is sorting out fans from trolls. Making statements about what would have happened if G was still the coach is not constructive. It's a back handed slap at a new coach trying to build the program we so desperately want and at an administration supporting him. Frankly. I doubt that G would want to be used in this way. We have to stop eating our own on this board.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 10, 2018 15:52:32 GMT -5
So what if he questions the due diligence the university did on Johnson? What's wrong with discussing that - on a discussion board? As far as I'm concerned - nothing. I haven't been shy on the possible implications of what's playing out in the NCAA-Louisville Kangaroo Court, and it's worthy of discussion IMO. But to a degree, I also agree with those throwing cold water on this story too - it's tough to draw any fair conclusions until we know more facts. But that doesn't mean it isn't a story-line to follow - it could easily be a huge can of worms or a nothingburger. Anyway, spacecadet was a goober.
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Post by 23won on Oct 10, 2018 16:45:02 GMT -5
If you are going to take action, lock the thread. All the points have been made. Spinning the same conjecture around among anonymous posters serves no purpose on this issue. I'm sure the Admin is staying on top of it and know well more than we ever will. They also have an agreement with KJ so they know what the School's rights are (and KJ's as well). Let this thing take its course and our fearless leader will do the right thing. Let's talk hoops! Looking forward to seeing Raft, Ash, the staff and team next week. Go Explorers!!!
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Post by calsufan on Oct 10, 2018 16:45:33 GMT -5
I saw what happened there. A guy with a message board didn't like a couple posts, so he didn't let the new kid sit at his lunch table. Didn't need your help to see that. I stand with Joe on this one. The guy was clearly trying to stir the pot, especially with all of the G baloney. He was warned and he kept going. He dug his own grave.
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Post by mookie on Oct 10, 2018 17:26:54 GMT -5
I'm kinda at a loss that of all the times when people have been banned, as if there's ever been more than a small handful to begin with, this is the one hill you want to die on? The guy was just trying to antagonize, he wasn't bringing opinions to the table. Hardly a loss, IMO. Now bringing AngryAl or BergenBulldog back, the laughs would be worth the trouble alone. Fair point, especially with a small sample size. But in general I've never liked when people have been banned from the board (except for that whole "go eat a bag of d****" incident and related things), and I've never liked when posts have been deleted (which I've gotten heated about in the past as well). Simply put, I don't think this board (or the previous one for that matter) does a good job of welcoming new voices. I thought spacecadet's style was a bit harsh, but I felt like his points had some validity. The whole thread is called "Yay or Yikes" and I think some people on the board don't want outsiders to be able to jump on the "yikes" side of that debate (or start a trend of more outsiders doing just that). So what if he questions the due diligence the university did on Johnson? What's wrong with discussing that - on a discussion board? The issue wasn’t them questioning the due diligence performed by the university. The issue was they assumed due diligence was not performed adequately with nothing to support their position. Then they added to it by claiming a double standard exists with G and Ash. It’s one thing to question a hiring and discuss it. It’s a completely different thing to make groundless accusations.
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 20, 2018 12:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Oct 20, 2018 13:41:35 GMT -5
I don't think it's a hit piece, per se. I just wonder why it had to be written, since they've had a couple of these stories. What Johnson allegedly did, doesn't look good, but it isn't going to damage anything the Explorers do this season. I guess the worst thing that could happen is that he gets suspended and we're down an assistant.
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Post by 23won on Oct 20, 2018 13:54:16 GMT -5
It’s a weak piece Of journalism and there are definitely bad implications directed at La Salle in the article.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 20, 2018 20:50:05 GMT -5
It's easy to go for the lowest hanging fruit. In this case, we are the easiest target. Doesn't mean it isn't lazy, though.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 20, 2018 21:31:21 GMT -5
If he would have reacted the same if Martelli or Wright gave him the chance then I’m fine with his opining.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 20, 2018 21:40:10 GMT -5
If he would have reacted the same if Martelli or Wright gave him the chance then I’m fine with his opining. (Searches for his op piece on Phil denying a transferring grad student from playing for another school)
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 21, 2018 7:39:46 GMT -5
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 21, 2018 10:49:58 GMT -5
This is not a hit piece. A critical article that makes an institution or person you care about look bad is not an assassination piece.
We hired an assistant from Louisville. His name has come up many times in a federal trial that indirectly led to the G-League offering money to potential one-and-done players. We knew when we hired him where he came from and how scummy a program that is. And it came back to burn us.
The easiest way to avoid this sort of press is to not hire someone front Louisville.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 21, 2018 11:41:27 GMT -5
As long as you believe he would have been just as critical of Villanova (or maybe more critical given that they’ve been on probation under their current head coach), I think that’s a perfectly reasonable take.
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 21, 2018 11:48:51 GMT -5
As long as you believe he would have been just as critical of Villanova (or maybe more critical given that they’ve been on probation under their current head coach), I think that’s a perfectly reasonable take. Yes. He would.
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 21, 2018 12:24:26 GMT -5
This is not a hit piece. A critical article that makes an institution or person you care about look bad is not an assassination piece. We hired an assistant from Louisville. His name has come up many times in a federal trial that indirectly led to the G-League offering money to potential one-and-done players. We knew when we hired him where he came from and how scummy a program that is. And it came back to burn us. The easiest way to avoid this sort of press is to not hire someone front Louisville. I must respectfully disagree. When you run basically the same story 3 times over a fortnight, questioning the sports writer's motives or agenda is fair game. I also disagree that Kenny Johnson's name has come up " many times " in the federal trial in question. It only came up once in connection with the testimony of Louisville recruit Bowen's father regarding the alleged $1300. hotel room reimbursement.
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 21, 2018 13:01:36 GMT -5
“I want to know why a college basketball program hired someone who is directly tied into college basketball’s seedy underbelly and I am not getting any answers” is a pretty fair agenda to have.
Mike Jensen is not sharpening the knives. He is not asking “how do I ruin La Salle basketball?” This sort of thinking is for Penn State fans.
A bit piece was when Dick Jerardi and Stephen A. Smith and John Feinstein all were on Billy Hahn’s team and posted articles without really any factual merit.
This is a really fair criticism. We hired someone in the middle of all of this nonsense.
Why?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 21, 2018 15:39:56 GMT -5
Because he has a lot of recruiting connections?
If he was in trouble, he’d be in trouble. But he’s not so why can’t he be hired.
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