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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 17:57:56 GMT -5
I’ll never understand the people that aren’t fans who waste time on fan message boards to do this. What’s your point. I am a fan. I told you I was with G on Saturday. I’m amazed at the lack of ethics of the this board regarding this issue. Try and engage in why you think hiring an assistant coAch who broke ncaa rules is acceptable? The only conclusion I can draw is that Ash said it’s ok that’s good enough for me. Weak. Btw temple should take a lesson from LA SALLE on how to transition to a new coach. HCIW is a joke.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 9, 2018 18:51:57 GMT -5
Ethics. Free basketball forum. Sure thing, bud.
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Post by blueandgold on Oct 9, 2018 19:33:04 GMT -5
Have to admit, don’t like this being the top headline on ESPN right now. Attachment Deleted
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Post by mookie on Oct 9, 2018 19:40:19 GMT -5
I’d imagine we had an idea of what we were getting into when he was hired. If there’s anything that comes to light that we werent aware of or the pub becomes too much of a distraction, then there would be a move. At this point though, I’m giving La Salle the benefit of the doubt that they did their due diligence. That’s not to be confused with “Ash said it’s ok, so no big deal”.
I don’t believe there’s a single person on this board or associated with La Salle that believes G wasn’t a good person. There is no double standard that currently exists and if there were, it would be out of place. If anything, we would be tougher on a first time HC where the expectation would be to NOT start off on the wrong foot before they ever coached their first game.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 9, 2018 20:18:33 GMT -5
Space cadet must have gotten thrown out of Joey Cabrey's pay forum - where the content is elite, and the attitudes are most elite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 20:39:16 GMT -5
I’d imagine we had an idea of what we were getting into when he was hired. If there’s anything that comes to light that we werent aware of or the pub becomes too much of a distraction, then there would be a move. At this point though, I’m giving La Salle the benefit of the doubt that they did their due diligence. That’s not to be confused with “Ash said it’s ok, so no big deal”. I don’t believe there’s a single person on this board or associated with La Salle that believes G wasn’t a good person. There is no double standard that currently exists and if there were, it would be out of place. If anything, we would be tougher on a first time HC where the expectation would be to NOT start off on the wrong foot before they ever coached their first game. I’m guessing the due diligence went like this... Coach Johnson you were fired at Louisville becuase of yet another scandal. What was your role in paying players? None. Ok you’re hired.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 9, 2018 20:43:54 GMT -5
That’s funny my spell check always says lasalle. Guess Apple never heard of it. I bring it up because you know and I know that if it Johnson was an assistant under G and was accused of handing out $1300 the esteemed members of this board would be calling for his firing. Now that ash hired him? Yawn? No big deal? It’s not against the rules? Haha. Desperate to win which leads to double standards. I give props to the few posters that said if true he sb gone. Whatever, Doc... It's not G, it's Matt Bloom's wife
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Post by mookie on Oct 9, 2018 21:19:31 GMT -5
I’d imagine we had an idea of what we were getting into when he was hired. If there’s anything that comes to light that we werent aware of or the pub becomes too much of a distraction, then there would be a move. At this point though, I’m giving La Salle the benefit of the doubt that they did their due diligence. That’s not to be confused with “Ash said it’s ok, so no big deal”. I don’t believe there’s a single person on this board or associated with La Salle that believes G wasn’t a good person. There is no double standard that currently exists and if there were, it would be out of place. If anything, we would be tougher on a first time HC where the expectation would be to NOT start off on the wrong foot before they ever coached their first game. I’m guessing the due diligence went like this... Coach Johnson you were fired at Louisville becuase of yet another scandal. What was your role in paying players? None. Ok you’re hired. Assume away...thanks for your contributions to the board
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Oct 9, 2018 21:24:50 GMT -5
Have to admit, don’t like this being the top headline on ESPN right now. View AttachmentI hear what you are saying, but La Salle isn't even mentioned in the story as his current employer.
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Post by weston2 on Oct 9, 2018 22:10:08 GMT -5
Hey, it wasn't "his" money. Plausible denial?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 6:07:45 GMT -5
Would be interesting if Louisville gets hit withe death penalty. Still no comment from lasalle admin on this. I say Yikes.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 10, 2018 6:34:09 GMT -5
Would be interesting if Louisville gets hit withe death penalty. Still no comment from lasalle admin on this. I say Yikes. Another post like the one above and you’re gone. You’re a guest here.
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Post by sweat83 on Oct 10, 2018 6:51:07 GMT -5
Yay NOR Yikes. Status Quo. The news is nothing new. I would think if action were to be taken on Johnson, it would have taken place already.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 10, 2018 6:54:09 GMT -5
Would be interesting if Louisville gets hit withe death penalty. Still no comment from lasalle admin on this. I say Yikes. Another post like the one above and you’re gone. You’re a guest here. Yikes.
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Post by 23won on Oct 10, 2018 6:58:57 GMT -5
So ya Thought ya Might like to Go to the show. To feel that warm thrill of confusion, That space cadet glow. I've got some bad news for you sunshine, Pink isn't well, he stayed back at the hotel And they sent us along as a surrogate band We're gonna find out where you fans really stand ...
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Post by las71 on Oct 10, 2018 7:38:02 GMT -5
To those who think he should be gone, nothing new has been revealed here. Ash was upfront with the administration that there were some issues here. Johnson's attorney produced a letter from the prosecutor that he was not a target but possibly a witness. If our administration was aware of this at the time he was hired and decided to give him a chance, why would you fire him now. Unless something new is discovered, I would be disappointed if we fired him. We agreed to give him a chance, let's give him one.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 10, 2018 8:00:58 GMT -5
Same.
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Post by mookie on Oct 10, 2018 8:14:52 GMT -5
Completely agree that there’s really no cause to move on from him at this point. Again, the assumption is that whatever specifics of the case that could be shared with Ash and the Admin was shared and that the Admin was aware of any potential media fallout.
Let things play out before rushing to judgment. I support the coaches and the university until they’ve given reason not to support them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 8:16:55 GMT -5
Would be interesting if Louisville gets hit withe death penalty. Still no comment from lasalle admin on this. I say Yikes. Another post like the one above and you’re gone. You’re a guest here. Joe you don’t think that La Salle admin needs to make a comment on one of their employees being implicated in a federal trial? This is a legit question. I’ll grant you some spin doctors would say the best thing to do is to remain silent. That’s what Al Morganti calls the villanova treatment. Ignore it and it will go away.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 10, 2018 8:27:02 GMT -5
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 10, 2018 8:36:58 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/sports/louisville-basketball-get-death-penalty-latest-revelations-college-hoops-trial-225857521.htmlFront page of Yahoo has a story on Louisville potentially getting the death penalty, Johnson's involvement, and a mention of his current job. The trial makes it seem like Johnson had no idea what was going on and then later became a bag man. But, still. We openly took a person tied into all of this mess. WTF was Ash thinking? Louisville paid strippers to entertain players and recruits. Like there wasn't more sleazy stuff going on with a Rick Pitino-associated program? I am all for players getting paid. But, until then, the NCAA has rules in place that they enforce in a very arbitrary manner. How the hell are you allowed to continue to play college basketball if you're paying strippers to attend to college kids AND high school kids? (Or if you knowingly hid a pedophile. Or if your coach tried to save his own neck by attempting to frame a murder around a drug deal gone bad while, years later, you foster a culture of football players treating women poorly.) The NCAA is just so slimy. Congrats, everyone! Our small Catholic school -- one with a liberal arts background that teaches us to think about not just the topics at hand but what is moral and right -- managed to find itself tied into this whole mess! We did it!
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Post by player71 on Oct 10, 2018 9:16:09 GMT -5
First, Johnson is not on trial. I'm pointing that out because his attorney does not have the ability to cross-examine Bowen's father. Second, Bowen could say anything at this point and the defense attorneys would be wise to try to throw everything on Johnson since he isn't there. This is similar to blaming the dead guy as the aggressor in a self-defense trial.
One final thought, the Judge on this case is legit as my firm has had several cases in front of him...
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 10, 2018 9:17:37 GMT -5
Was spacecadet banned? I don't understand why. I thought most of his comments were pretty fair, in the context of an internet message board. I even agree with his point about wanting the university to make some sort of statement. But I guess I am biased, since I am on the side of not liking La Salle being mixed up in all of this. Just my $0.02.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 10, 2018 9:22:30 GMT -5
I'm assuming Joe did it under the good faith doctrine of message boards. Seems reasonable to me.
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Post by weston2 on Oct 10, 2018 9:25:11 GMT -5
Was spacecadet banned? I don't understand why. I thought most of his comments were pretty fair, in the context of an internet message board. I even agree with his point about wanting the university to make some sort of statement. But I guess I am biased, since I am on the side of not liking La Salle being mixed up in all of this. Just my $0.02. Agree, but this is an "at will board". You can be banned for any or no reason. We can post according to the benevolence of the moderator(s). All praise to the King. Dilly, dilly....?
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Post by las71 on Oct 10, 2018 9:38:02 GMT -5
I don't know that space cadet needs to be banned but the comment that La Salle just asked him if he did anything wrong, he said no and they said okay and hired him is unfair. It was reported that his attorney produced a letter from the prosecutor that he was not a target which seems to indicate that we did some due diligence here. Space cadet apparently has an agenda unknown to the bulk of us so it's difficult to assess why the open hostility.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 10, 2018 9:46:43 GMT -5
R.I.P. Space Cadet. We hardly knew ye. He violated the unwritten rule that one needs at least 100 "likes" on here before criticizing the administration. (and demanding they comment on a specific employee involved in matter from his prior employment is ridiculous). Plus, our small little Catholic school believes in forgiveness and reconciliation.
Can't wait for the season to start!!! I stand by my July prediction of 5th place in the A10 with Beatty and Powell eligible, and when there's excitement at the Hayman/Gola/TruMark - this will be a distant memory.
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Post by 1801olney on Oct 10, 2018 10:14:36 GMT -5
Spacecadet probably did have an agenda, but that was a quick ban. Its not like hes the only one asking where the La Salle response is.
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Post by broderickpresident on Oct 10, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5
I don't know that space cadet needs to be banned but the comment that La Salle just asked him if he did anything wrong, he said no and they said okay and hired him is unfair. It was reported that his attorney produced a letter from the prosecutor that he was not a target which seems to indicate that we did some due diligence here. Space cadet apparently has an agenda unknown to the bulk of us so it's difficult to assess why the open hostility. It is not true that his attorney produced a letter from a prosecutor. The letter was, in fact, from his attorney(!). A very important distinction. "a source told CBS Sports that Johnson has shared a letter dated April 19 from his attorney, David Lambertus, in which Lambertus claims to have been told by the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York that it views his client "as a potential witness in its case and nothing more." www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/an-ex-louisville-assistant-fired-because-of-the-fbi-investigation-is-joining-la-salles-coaching-staff/
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Post by las71 on Oct 10, 2018 11:14:07 GMT -5
Broderickpresident. I stand corrected. I knew there was mention of the US Attorney stating he wasn't a target and thought a letter was produced to that effect. Despite that fact, I can't believe that we didn't look at the available information before hiring Johnson and absent new revelations I think he should remain on the staff.
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