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Post by calsufan on May 9, 2018 14:28:33 GMT -5
Okay. Let's settle down. You've made your point bluntly a few times. Let's not escalate things.
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Post by MisterD on May 9, 2018 14:40:24 GMT -5
You, of all people, telling someone else to stop. Funniest thing you've ever done. I tell people to stop all the time. Its like my thing here.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 9, 2018 15:05:34 GMT -5
Can the #NewEra include an online way to order season tickets instead of printing out a form to mail in with a check and/or calling the ticket office to give a credit card number?
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Post by mookie on May 9, 2018 18:29:24 GMT -5
Can the #NewEra include an online way to order season tickets instead of printing out a form to mail in with a check and/or calling the ticket office to give a credit card number? If the school wants to hire me and give me tech resources I’ll have that built AND have it available on mobile before the new school year
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Post by thelasallelunatic on May 9, 2018 20:37:40 GMT -5
Invisibly filling up the box score like no rookie since Magic has in the playoffs: bkref.com/tiny/xMwFiSure, it's not as impressive as getting hired while you're part of an FBI probe into mountains of shady shit, but not too shabby, either. He forgot to come out of the locker room for the 3rd quarter.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 9, 2018 22:41:42 GMT -5
Can the #NewEra include an online way to order season tickets instead of printing out a form to mail in with a check and/or calling the ticket office to give a credit card number? If the school wants to hire me and give me tech resources I’ll have that built AND have it available on mobile before the new school year They probably need to sell more art to afford your required compensation.
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Post by glorydays on May 10, 2018 6:18:42 GMT -5
The Wilmington News Journal (also referred to as the News Urinal) had a front page sports story on this today. It is just an updated version of the USA Today's story by Tim Johnson. I am one of those dinosaurs that still reads newspapers.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2018 7:13:41 GMT -5
It is bizarre that this is reported as done with no comment/release from the school.
Wait, bizarre isn't the right word....
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Post by MisterD on May 10, 2018 8:00:44 GMT -5
Big time programs have things leaked all the time
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2018 8:06:38 GMT -5
Reporters are wondering why the school hasn't confirmed...
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Post by MisterD on May 10, 2018 8:11:55 GMT -5
A reporter from Louisville, KY is wondering why a mid-major in Philadelphia, PA hasn't confirmed an assistant coaching hire. That's a big shrug from me.
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Post by diehardexplorer on May 10, 2018 9:26:24 GMT -5
kyle griffin hiring leaked april 15 kyle griffin press release issued april 19
ken johnson hiring leaked may 8
nothing unusual about no press release yet. they could still be finalizing contract terms.
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Post by MisterD on May 10, 2018 9:30:58 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on May 10, 2018 13:15:01 GMT -5
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Sept 4, 2018 9:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2018 10:23:40 GMT -5
Happy Tuesday disguised as a Monday...
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Post by broderickpresident on Sept 4, 2018 11:36:47 GMT -5
Nothing to see here. Hiring coaches under FBI investigation is the new market inefficiency
We'll see what comes of our Faustian bargain
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Post by MisterD on Sept 4, 2018 11:51:29 GMT -5
So many bulletpoints here ...
1. If this is turning into a "versus Pitino" situation, I'd closely examine whether you want to be on the Pitino side and how much you'd trust any Pitino side.
1a. I understand that works under a larger "then why work for Pitino" umbrella.
2. Beyond "he broke NCAA rules", do you really care about what Johnson allegedly did? Like who are the winners and who are the losers in this situation?
3. If this turns out to be true and it costs him his job here, I get that too.
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Post by las71 on Sept 4, 2018 12:07:14 GMT -5
Most assistant coaches are as honest as the head coach allows them to be. Successful big time coaches in football and basketball know every detail about what's going on in their program. That's part of the reason they are successful. It's up to the assistants to take the fall when things go wrong. Cheating seems to be pervasive so my guess is that assistants recognize that it's part of the deal. If the NCAA is willing to accept the explanation that a graduate assistant without consulting with Pitino hired hookers and seemingly used his own funds to pay them, then assistants know whatever happens they will be blamed. I doubt that Johnson did this without Pitino's knowledge. Any power 5 head coach quickly identifies who the recruit's "people" are and recruit's them along with the players. Johnson probably made a poor choice here but had he refused would he be coaching anywhere this year. The NCAA is reaping what it sowed by refusing to hold big time coaches accountable.
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Post by gymrat67 on Sept 4, 2018 12:23:17 GMT -5
The information contained in the USA Today story is not necessarily at all inconsistent with Johnson possibly having been offered / given immunity in return for his cooperation with the Government's investigation.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2018 13:24:39 GMT -5
Immunity or not, I'm interested in the inevitable determination if he omitted facts or neglected to reveal this information to La Salle at hiring, because it wouldn't be surprising if the "I know I'm associated with the Pitino mess, but I'm squeaky clean" narrative was how we ended up here today. Immunity or not, not being upfront with La Salle is a bad look.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 4, 2018 13:28:19 GMT -5
I'd be perfectly ok if he laid out the facts in that article and La Salle made a determination that it wasn't inside of his control and nothing immoral took place so who cares.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 4, 2018 13:53:12 GMT -5
Pitino says he's in the clear, so...that should be enough. www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/05/09/louisville-basketball-scandal-kenny-johnson-lasalle-rick-pitino/593307002/Pitino, meanwhile, does not hesitate to vouch for his former assistant.
“Yes, always,” he said Tuesday via text message. “He’s innocent.”
If there’s some basis to believe La Salle has performed its due diligence and found no dirt on Johnson, neither Howard nor his spokesman responded to Courier Journal inquiries as of Wednesday morning.
If there’s a logical thread that explains both Johnson’s firing and his reported hiring, that would be a narrative worth knowing.
Citing an unnamed source, CBS Sports’ Gary Parrish reported that multiple head coaches have tried to hire Johnson only to be vetoed by university administrators.
That doesn’t explain how Howard sold Johnson to his bosses at La Salle or whether the lack of a formal announcement reflects any lingering concerns about his suitability. The matter's delicacy can be seen in the NCAA's refusal to confirm multiple accounts that it provided Johnson a letter stating it has no record of him being involved in major violations.
The matter's murkiness remains.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 4, 2018 13:56:06 GMT -5
Let's be honest, Pitino would be publicly loyal to his assistants right up until he needed to dump off on them. He's gross.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2018 14:13:29 GMT -5
I'd be perfectly ok if he laid out the facts in that article and La Salle made a determination that it wasn't inside of his control and nothing immoral took place so who cares. Agreed - if he was upfront, and La Salle made a decision knowing the facts, I'm fine. But if he didn't, it's a different ballgame suddenly.
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Post by 23won on Sept 4, 2018 15:36:13 GMT -5
It’s part of the Pitino defense team strategy. Of course it was discovered by the defense because that’s how the Coach delegates. Anyway UL compliance did its job and listed him so it’s no blood no foul
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Post by durenduren on Sept 5, 2018 10:29:53 GMT -5
It’s part of the Pitino defense team strategy. Of course it was discovered by the defense because that’s how the Coach delegates. Anyway UL compliance did its job and listed him so it’s no blood no foul But is it really 'no blood, no foul'? Just because UofL compliance sucks at their job doesn't make Johnson immune from being labeled (potentially) a liar. Again, if true, and that's a big IF in this case, a cheater is still a cheater if others are complicit in his actions of skirting reporting rules. Likewise, just because you were delegated outlawed or impermissible actions is no excuse. You are required to not be a dirt-ball, and it's not a complicated expectation. Different scenario, but it's this same attitude that created the Hahn-Miller fiasco. This thinking defies the spirit of NCAA rules, Title IX codified law, and Clery reporting guidelines.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 5, 2018 10:51:15 GMT -5
"and it's not a complicated expectation." Strong disagree there. No major school is 100% in compliance, I would bet my life on that. It would come down to where you start to care about non-compliance, how prevalent, direct vs indirect (boosters carrying the full load), etc, etc, etc. And even with the disclaimer, I can't be on board even mentioning the Hahn situation. When one has "he broke NCAA rules about labor getting paid" and the other is "he broke NCAA rules about an alleged rape", they can't be linked.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 5, 2018 11:10:52 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to open a can of worms by bringing up Hahn and Miller, but rather draw comparisons of the spirit of the rules and regulations. I'll concede that college athletics are generally 'dirty as hell', particularly at the level of UofL, but I don't think that's a valid excuse for Johnson, if true.
If he knew what he was doing was wrong, regardless if Pitino or the Pope implied or consented the action, he shouldn't have done it. Saying "but my boss fostered a culture of impropriety" or "he directly told me to do it" doesn't mean Johnson didn't receive training and education of NCAA regulations, which I'm sure he did. And I bet the spirit of those regulations firmly requires those to report violating orders from a superior.
Again, a bunch of very big hypotheticals.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 5, 2018 11:14:20 GMT -5
"If he knew what he was doing was wrong" ... that gets to a question of "on what level", right? There's an easy moral argument to be made that what he was doing was more right than not doing it.
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