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Post by 1stflooredwards on Mar 14, 2015 15:18:26 GMT -5
Purnell resigned from DePaul today
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Post by aswjr on Mar 14, 2015 15:19:52 GMT -5
Interesting my friends son just committed there.
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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 14, 2015 15:21:05 GMT -5
Had we won the A-10 tournament maybe. Why would they want a coach that can't get it done in the Atlantic 10?
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Post by aswjr on Mar 14, 2015 15:25:06 GMT -5
Yea I doubt they would want him. I will say that if he went my friends son probably would decommit
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Post by explorerman on Mar 14, 2015 15:35:46 GMT -5
Purnell resigned from DePaul today Gahaha seriously?? |
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Post by explorerman on Mar 14, 2015 15:37:35 GMT -5
Purnell resigned from DePaul today I was just commenting on the notion that DePaul would have interest, not that Purnell resigned. |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 14, 2015 16:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Mar 14, 2015 17:47:28 GMT -5
Isiah Thomas = final nail in the coffin for any team. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 20:39:15 GMT -5
De Paul has three power forwards committed. Three! How many do they need? Maybe one of them could come here instead of G going there.
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 14, 2015 20:54:30 GMT -5
De Paul has three power forwards committed. Three! How many do they need? Maybe one of them could come here instead of G going there. As soon as I saw that he resigned I immediately check verbal commits to see what bigs they had committed. Might be Gs hope..also I expect Paul Hewitt to get fired as well. |
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Post by explorerman on Mar 14, 2015 21:31:47 GMT -5
De Paul has three power forwards committed. Three! How many do they need? Maybe one of them could come here instead of G going there. As soon as I saw that he resigned I immediately check verbal commits to see what bigs they had committed. Might be Gs hope..also I expect Paul Hewitt to get fired as well. Now that firing could produce a player that La Salle needs |
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Post by cpico on Mar 14, 2015 22:09:37 GMT -5
Coach isn't going anywhere. There is not a demand for him out there - especially at a higher level conference.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 16, 2015 8:08:29 GMT -5
Chicago Tribune is reporting DePaul is considering G for the opening. I can't get the link unless I register but can see some of the candidates from what they do allow you to see.
That being said, I think it is an extreme longshot G would get that job considering the performance of the program the last 2 years and the cost to buy him out of the La Salle contract which I would think has at least 3-4 more years on it.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 16, 2015 8:09:26 GMT -5
Chicago Tribune is reporting DePaul is considering G for the opening. I can't get the link unless I register but can see some of the candidates from what they do allow you to see. That being said, I think it is an extreme longshot G would get that job considering the performance of the program the last 2 years and the cost to buy him out of the La Salle contract which I would think has at least 3-4 more years on it. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 16, 2015 8:53:46 GMT -5
I think G has the exact resume for what DePaul should be looking for. The guy basically built a program at La Salle back to a solid footing with no support from the University overall. Imagine what he would do a a school with a good commitment to hoops in a good league.
That being said, buying him out would probably be a bigger roadblock that anything he has done the last two seasons
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 16, 2015 8:57:30 GMT -5
I think G has the exact resume for what DePaul should be looking for. The guy basically built a program at La Salle back to a solid footing with no support from the University overall. Imagine what he would do a a school with a good commitment to hoops in a good league. That being said, buying him out would probably be a bigger roadblock that anything he has done the last two seasons DePaul does not give support to the program hoopsfan. They are a notorious bad school as far as support goes. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 16, 2015 9:13:34 GMT -5
I'd think that Giannini would negotiate the buyout down if offered the DePaul job.
As far as budgets go:
117 $25,343,254 DePaul (BIGEAST) Blue Demons Rosemont, IL Allstate Arena Oliver Purnell (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School
228 $12,993,783 La Salle (A-10) Explorers Philadelphia, PA Tom Gola Arena John Giannini (since 2004) Site, Schedule, School
DePaul is top 5 in the Big East. La Salle is bottom 3 in the A10. So maybe they don't give it fan support, but Giannini would see a 100% increase in his budget.
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Post by explorerman on Mar 16, 2015 9:26:40 GMT -5
I think G has the exact resume for what DePaul should be looking for. The guy basically built a program at La Salle back to a solid footing with no support from the University overall. Imagine what he would do a a school with a good commitment to hoops in a good league. That being said, buying him out would probably be a bigger roadblock that anything he has done the last two seasons DePaul does not give support to the program hoopsfan. They are a notorious bad school as far as support goes. Yeah seriously.. Frankly, it is a crime that they haven't perform better especially with the talent there in Chicago. Management issues with the money spent. I am on the fence. I mean 10 years is a good amount of time in Division 1 College Basketball to see what a coach can do. The buyout is still a large number for a couple years and would produce a fair amount of cash for the school. The NCAA Tourney residuals also produce money also. Get a guy like Toole or some of the other talented young head coaches just looking for more resources and a better conference. Grant it a guy like that (Toole) would use La Salle as a stepping stone to a larger Power 5 school after a few years of success. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 16, 2015 9:30:50 GMT -5
I was thinking a lot about this statement lately. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Unless you become VCU with a couple Final Fours, is it necessarily a bad thing to be a place where you see a new coach every 5-8 years, but it is a good program to come through?
La Salle will never be Mich State (Izzo), Duke (K), Syracuse (Boeheim), UNC (Williams) and so on. What they could be is a place that has support and a good recruiting place that an up and comer will want to spend 5-10 years before moving on.
Or I'm crazy. You have to be ready for a bad coach in this case and jettison him if he comes along.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 16, 2015 9:38:26 GMT -5
Baker Dunleavy would be my pick. Guy knows his stuff and has supported great success at Nova and Jay Wright thinks highly of him.
If you're La Salle you either need to find a really great coach at a tiny school or grab a high-level assistant.
There is nothing wrong with being a stepping stone if you ask me. Xavier did it with Gillen, mata, Miller, etc.;
Someday G will not be out coach, that's certain, but who knows exactly when.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 16, 2015 9:46:50 GMT -5
1. Doug Overton
2. Tim Legler
3. Darnell Harris
4. Garrett Bragg
5. Hilton Armstrong
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Post by explorerman on Mar 16, 2015 10:00:54 GMT -5
I'd think that Giannini would negotiate the buyout down if offered the DePaul job. As far as budgets go: 117 $25,343,254 DePaul (BIGEAST) Blue Demons Rosemont, IL Allstate Arena Oliver Purnell (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School 228 $12,993,783 La Salle (A-10) Explorers Philadelphia, PA Tom Gola Arena John Giannini (since 2004) Site, Schedule, School DePaul is top 5 in the Big East. La Salle is bottom 3 in the A10. So maybe they don't give it fan support, but Giannini would see a 100% increase in his budget. They do spend money. But DePaul hasn't produced anything of note. I still think there is very little chance that he gets the job. What is his record? Just over .500? The notion that he started from scratch is extremely misinformed. He inherited arguably the most successful A-10 player since the turn of the century, Steve Smith; arguably the best shooter, Darnell Harris; and, the most underrated PGs in the history of the school, Jermaine Thomas. Back then the A-10 was not the 4-5 big league like it has become in recent history. The more I think about it, maybe a buyout would be best for everyone. La Salle gets money up front from the buyout and will free up a large expense. There is some talent on the books 2015-16, even though there is something of bare cupboard after the first 2-3 players (Price, Roberts and Sakhniuk); if, in the end, there is mutual interest and DePaul takes a shot. Coaching in college basketball is an absolutely fascinating study, you think of all the variables. You have possible high upside coaches that get railroaded by violations (see Pearl, etc), high upside coaches that cheat and get rewarded up (see Calipari), coaches once thought of high upside that try to go elite (see Howland, Pittsburgh to UCLA), coaches that just have a steady decline (see Hewitt, GT to GMU to  ). Grant fired from Alabama after having success at VCU. Look at fellow 2013 NCAA Tourney Dancer, FGCU, the coach leaves for USC and is getting destroyed, which is the classic over buy by a larger institution. Buying a coach off of 1 year of success is absolutely poor business and they are paying for it. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 16, 2015 10:22:19 GMT -5
He inherited arguably the most successful A-10 player since the turn of the century, Steve Smith Is one of the arguments "you can't pick anyone whose name rhymes with 'come here'"? |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 16, 2015 10:47:30 GMT -5
1. Doug Overton 2. Tim Legler 3. Darnell Harris 4. Garrett Bragg 5. Hilton Armstrong Overton or Legs would be solid picks...but I agree with Joe that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for LaSalle to be a stepping stone job. Butler and Xavier have been stepping stone jobs for the past 10+ years and both of those programs stayed on solid ground with Butler being the number 2 team in the land for back to back seasons. Xavier has been a stepping stone job for Prosser, Mata, and Miller. I'm not high on Chris Mack but those other 3 guys could coach and used X as a spring board to bigger destinations. X has yet to fall off. Another positive consequence of being a stepping stone job is that we will be successful. A coach can't parlay LaSalle into a bigger job if he doesn't win here. I'm only commenting on this thread because G is mentioned as a possible candidate for DePaul. From a LaSalle standpoint, I think G has to have 2 more consecutive subpar years before you can move on...and I think the guy has earned that. I'm not a big Giannini fan as far as his coaching style goes, but as a man, I respect the hell out of him. From a Giannini standpoint, I would jump tomorrow if DePaul came knocking. He's going to double his salary, he's going to coach in The Big East, in a talent hotbed of Chicago, which is right up there with Philly as far as recruiting fertile grounds go. If Giannini could somehow parlay this into a Big East job, particularly off of a 32-32 record in the past 2 years, it would be incredible. If you think about it, if fits Dr G's trend of building up bottom feeders to competitive programs. He built Maine into a competitive American East team, he built us from a bottom feeder to a competitive A10 team. I don't know why G didn't take the Rutgers or Northwestern jobs after the Sweet 16 run, but this may be more his style. We know he's a hardworking recruiter. We know he's used to doing more with less as far as a program goes. He's from the Chicago area, and his daughter is a senior at Nova I think. So if you're going to uproot the family, why not do it now? |
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Post by mookie on Mar 16, 2015 10:49:40 GMT -5
I'd think that Giannini would negotiate the buyout down if offered the DePaul job. As far as budgets go: 117 $25,343,254 DePaul (BIGEAST) Blue Demons Rosemont, IL Allstate Arena Oliver Purnell (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School 228 $12,993,783 La Salle (A-10) Explorers Philadelphia, PA Tom Gola Arena John Giannini (since 2004) Site, Schedule, School DePaul is top 5 in the Big East. La Salle is bottom 3 in the A10. So maybe they don't give it fan support, but Giannini would see a 100% increase in his budget. They do spend money. But DePaul hasn't produced anything of note. I still think there is very little chance that he gets the job. What is his record? Just over .500? The notion that he started from scratch is extremely misinformed. He inherited arguably the most successful A-10 player since the turn of the century, Steve Smith; arguably the best shooter, Darnell Harris; and, the most underrated PGs in the history of the school, Jermaine Thomas. Back then the A-10 was not the 4-5 big league like it has become in recent history. The more I think about it, maybe a buyout would be best for everyone. La Salle gets money up front from the buyout and will free up a large expense. There is some talent on the books 2015-16, even though there is something of bare cupboard after the first 2-3 players (Price, Roberts and Sakhniuk); if, in the end, there is mutual interest and DePaul takes a shot. Coaching in college basketball is an absolutely fascinating study, you think of all the variables. You have possible high upside coaches that get railroaded by violations (see Pearl, etc), high upside coaches that cheat and get rewarded up (see Calipari), coaches once thought of high upside that try to go elite (see Howland, Pittsburgh to UCLA), coaches that just have a steady decline (see Hewitt, GT to GMU to ). Grant fired from Alabama after having success at VCU. Look at fellow 2013 NCAA Tourney Dancer, FGCU, the coach leaves for USC and is getting destroyed, which is the classic over buy by a larger institution. Buying a coach off of 1 year of success is absolutely poor business and they are paying for it. Are you crediting Hahn for G's early success with smith? |
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Post by mookie on Mar 16, 2015 10:52:11 GMT -5
1. Doug Overton 2. Tim Legler 3. Darnell Harris 4. Garrett Bragg 5. Hilton Armstrong Overton or Legs would be solid picks...but I agree with Joe that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for LaSalle to be a stepping stone job. Butler and Xavier have been stepping stone jobs for the past 10+ years and both of those programs stayed on solid ground with Butler being the number 2 team in the land for back to back seasons. Xavier has been a stepping stone job for Prosser, Mata, and Miller. I'm not high on Chris Mack but those other 3 guys could coach and used X as a spring board to bigger destinations. X has yet to fall off. Another positive consequence of being a stepping stone job is that we will be successful. A coach can't parlay LaSalle into a bigger job if he doesn't win here. I'm only commenting on this thread because G is mentioned as a possible candidate for DePaul. From a LaSalle standpoint, I think G has to have 2 more consecutive subpar years before you can move on...and I think the guy has earned that. I'm not a big Giannini fan as far as his coaching style goes, but as a man, I respect the hell out of him. From a Giannini standpoint, I would jump tomorrow if DePaul came knocking. He's going to double his salary, he's going to coach in The Big East, in a talent hotbed of Chicago, which is right up there with Philly as far as recruiting fertile grounds go. If Giannini could somehow parlay this into a Big East job, particularly off of a 32-32 record in the past 2 years, it would be incredible. If you think about it, if fits Dr G's trend of building up bottom feeders to competitive programs. He built Maine into a competitive American East team, he built us from a bottom feeder to a competitive A10 team. I don't know why G didn't take the Rutgers or Northwestern jobs after the Sweet 16 run, but this may be more his style. We know he's a hardworking recruiter. We know he's used to doing more with less as far as a program goes. He's from the Chicago area, and his daughter is a senior at Nova I think. So if you're going to uproot the family, why not do it now? Hasn't G been making inroads lately with recruits in the Midwest? |
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Post by explorerman on Mar 16, 2015 11:23:02 GMT -5
Ha no def not... Don't try that Mookie.. Just saying talent was there when G came into the program...
Hahn certainly couldn't coach a lick.. He absolutely could recruit..
Smith was already averaging 18 and 10 on a 10-19 team before G... which was right around where he averaged over his la salle career give or take a couple points/rebound...
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Post by MisterD on Mar 16, 2015 12:26:04 GMT -5
Also, Giannini is going to heaven whereas Hahn is going to hell.
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Post by talkinbball on Mar 16, 2015 13:30:42 GMT -5
It would be wise for G to go if given the opportunity. If it's going to happen at all, we are still years away from a new facility, so there is very little upside to staying in place. After the Sweet 16 run, the memory of which is going to fade in other schools looking at him, there is a lot more likely scenario of G's stock to fall than to even maintain where it is now.
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Post by aswjr on Mar 16, 2015 13:56:07 GMT -5
I was thinking a lot about this statement lately. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Unless you become VCU with a couple Final Fours, is it necessarily a bad thing to be a place where you see a new coach every 5-8 years, but it is a good program to come through? La Salle will never be Mich State (Izzo), Duke (K), Syracuse (Boeheim), UNC (Williams) and so on. What they could be is a place that has support and a good recruiting place that an up and comer will want to spend 5-10 years before moving on. Or I'm crazy. You have to be ready for a bad coach in this case and jettison him if he comes along. Joe this is something I have discussed with my stepdad, I think this would be the ideal situation for a school like LaSalle. It's "big" enough to attract young guys that may be 1-2 years away from being ready but still small enough that it wouldn't damage their rep enough that they couldn't go back to a big time staff again. I'm probably not explaining this to the best of my ability. But someone itching for a job and doesn't want to sit on someone's staff anymore but doesn't have any high profile jobs calling. Lasalle is big enough that if a guy like that comes here they can bounce to a bigger school like you said 5-6 years later but if they don't succeed they can probably go to said school as an assistant instead. |
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