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Post by explorer88 on Mar 16, 2015 14:00:06 GMT -5
Hahn couldn't recruit to La Salle and didn't want to work for it. Much easier to recruit at Maryland.
Steve Smith was already done by Roland Houston Jermaine Thomas and Gary Neal came because he was recruiting them at Maryland
Sherman Diaz Sean Neal Mike St. John David Bell Flo Larkai Jeff Farmer Lewis Fadipe Tabby Cunningham
Not a stellar group when he didn't have any help.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 16, 2015 14:04:24 GMT -5
Sherman Diaz Sean Neal Mike St. John David Bell Flo Larkai Jeff Farmer Lewis Fadipe Tabby Cunningham Not a stellar group when he didn't have any help. Roman Narmbaye That's like a 10-20 team waiting to happen...that's a scary list of players Mik, I feel like its March of 2004 and I'm dreaming a bad dream again.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 16, 2015 14:06:19 GMT -5
Sherman Diaz Sean Neal Mike St. John David Bell Flo Larkai Jeff Farmer Lewis Fadipe Tabby Cunningham Not a stellar group when he didn't have any help. Roman Narmbaye That's like a 10-20 team waiting to happen...that's a scary list of players Mik, I feel like its March of 2004 and I'm dreaming a bad dream again. Good catch on Roman lunatic. I forgot about him.
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Post by talkinbball on Mar 16, 2015 14:10:04 GMT -5
I was thinking a lot about this statement lately. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Unless you become VCU with a couple Final Fours, is it necessarily a bad thing to be a place where you see a new coach every 5-8 years, but it is a good program to come through? La Salle will never be Mich State (Izzo), Duke (K), Syracuse (Boeheim), UNC (Williams) and so on. What they could be is a place that has support and a good recruiting place that an up and comer will want to spend 5-10 years before moving on. Or I'm crazy. You have to be ready for a bad coach in this case and jettison him if he comes along. Joe this is something I have discussed with my stepdad, I think this would be the ideal situation for a school like LaSalle. It's "big" enough to attract young guys that may be 1-2 years away from being ready but still small enough that it wouldn't damage their rep enough that they couldn't go back to a big time staff again. I'm probably not explaining this to the best of my ability. But someone itching for a job and doesn't want to sit on someone's staff anymore but doesn't have any high profile jobs calling. Lasalle is big enough that if a guy like that comes here they can bounce to a bigger school like you said 5-6 years later but if they don't succeed they can probably go to said school as an assistant instead. Conceptually I agree with this. It's the idea that La Salle "is a place that has support and a good recruiting place" that I have a problem believing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:12:22 GMT -5
Darnell Harris was a Hahn recruit.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 16, 2015 14:13:38 GMT -5
Recruiting here is an uphill battle, I don't see why a young up-and-comer would want to handicap himself at his presumed stepping stone to the majors.
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Post by peacetoes on Mar 16, 2015 14:17:25 GMT -5
Let us just assume for argument's sake that Dr. G moves on... Who here thinks that the BOT/School has the stones to take the opportunity to have a new AD pick his successor? It is in large part a rhetorical question given how I perceive the outrageously large BOT goes about its business.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 16, 2015 14:20:48 GMT -5
Besides shooting guards from the state of Maryland, Billy Hahn struck out recruiting.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 16, 2015 14:23:30 GMT -5
Recruiting here is an uphill battle, I don't see why a young up-and-comer would want to handicap himself at his presumed stepping stone to the majors. The opportunity to lead a D-1 program. For all of it's flaws La Salle still plays major college basketball. When Giannini was hired La Salle had over 300 applicants. So the answer is a lot of people would be interested. Even up and comers. To that note, G I don't think is going anywhere.
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Post by talkinbball on Mar 16, 2015 14:27:42 GMT -5
Without a firm commitment on facilities I don't see why an "established" coach would consider us. I think an up and comer would actually be our best shot. (I would also add Aaron McKie as a guy I would consider although he may be Fran's successor).
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Post by explorerman on Mar 16, 2015 14:44:34 GMT -5
Recruiting here is an uphill battle, I don't see why a young up-and-comer would want to handicap himself at his presumed stepping stone to the majors. The opportunity to lead a D-1 program. For all of it's flaws La Salle still plays major college basketball. When Giannini was hired La Salle had over 300 applicants. So the answer is a lot of people would be interested. Even up and comers. To that note, G I don't think is going anywhere. Exactly. You will have too many applicants especially as the divides among conferences happen. Television exposure, conference money, etc are all there, so you are really looking at 8-9 conferences. Fortunately, for the A-10 they have all of those. Say your a coach at, oh I don't know, Robert Morris or Valpo (I know Drew went there so there might be the emotional ties) but those are going to be conferences that do not get the exposure that this conference does. So if you are trying to grow your own brand, you need to do it on a larger scale.
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Post by talkinbball on Mar 16, 2015 14:51:37 GMT -5
The opportunity to lead a D-1 program. For all of it's flaws La Salle still plays major college basketball. When Giannini was hired La Salle had over 300 applicants. So the answer is a lot of people would be interested. Even up and comers. To that note, G I don't think is going anywhere. Exactly. You will have too many applicants especially as the divides among conferences happen. Television exposure, conference money, etc are all there, so you are really looking at 8-9 conferences. Fortunately, for the A-10 they have all of those. Say your a coach at, oh I don't know, Robert Morris or Valpo (I know Drew went there so there might be the emotional ties) but those are going to be conferences that do not get the exposure that this conference does. So if you are trying to grow your own brand, you need to do it on a larger scale. If it gets to that small of a number the A10 doesn't get included. Best teams would be absorbed by Big East which is already looked upon as the better Basketball Only Conference and would need to expand under your scenario.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 16, 2015 14:56:10 GMT -5
We're really nowhere near as backwards a program as a lot of people on here think. Even the bottom rung jobs in the A-10 (Duquense, Fordham) are still way better than anything in the NEC or the CAA or almost all of the MAAC (since the MAAC has had a few launching pad schools like Siena and Manhattan). And we're in better shape than those two programs, since we're a consistent Top 100 RPI team over the past few years with a bunch of winning records and a Sweet 16.
If G were to leave, there would be applications from a ton of mid-major coaches in the region (Toole, the Albany coach, the American coach) at least. And then every single assistant coach in the country would apply, too.
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Post by explorerman on Mar 16, 2015 15:02:36 GMT -5
Exactly. You will have too many applicants especially as the divides among conferences happen. Television exposure, conference money, etc are all there, so you are really looking at 8-9 conferences. Fortunately, for the A-10 they have all of those. Say your a coach at, oh I don't know, Robert Morris or Valpo (I know Drew went there so there might be the emotional ties) but those are going to be conferences that do not get the exposure that this conference does. So if you are trying to grow your own brand, you need to do it on a larger scale. If it gets to that small of a number the A10 doesn't get included. Best teams would be absorbed by Big East which is already looked upon as the better Basketball Only Conference and would need to expand under your scenario. A-10 would get eliminated by the likes of the MVC, WCC, CAA or MAAC??? I don't think so. At this level it isn't regional it is the best and most talented.. I recognize that a Gonzaga or Wichita State would not be allowed to be left behind but the A-10 is much deeper than WCC, MVC or the rest... which if we are looking at 8-9 conferences this is exactly where we are going against.. I like our odds.. Big East.. I don't believe can afford to expand for some time... TV ratings as a whole were weak again this year.. More schools means more hands in the hat.. Georgetown's athletic department needs every dollar they can get..
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Post by 23won on Mar 16, 2015 15:21:40 GMT -5
Unless I missed it, why isn't Marshall mentioned for the job? He seems like the most likely, but probably is not in a spot to talk and therfore be "considered"
Granted G has done a good job bringing back a program, so I could see interest between that and the Chicago connection, but realistically he's a .500ish coach over 11 years and for the last two years. If you exclude the two Ramon years he's 15 games sub-.500. Including the Ramon years he had 6 of 11 losing years. Not a great rebuilding process if someone wants NCAA tourney hopes for a down program. Cerytainly so if anyone does the math.
Even if DePaul did want him, please explain how the buyout would be a problem for La Salle?
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Post by aswjr on Mar 16, 2015 15:37:22 GMT -5
Lasalle is attractive because it plays in a major-mid major(make sense). A10 is looked at as a upper echelon mid major. So even a school that is middling in a10 is Better than upper crust MAAC school so if you do well here consistently its looked at differently. If you come here and you don't succeed you have some built in excuses. The ones we talk about. Facilities and lack of support. If you succeed you can even use those to parlay into a job. So if g wanted that job he could even use this to his advantage. Spin it as look at what I did with limited resources, imagine what I can do when I have something to sell. Well that's what I would do if I was trying to spin my mediocre record at least
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 16, 2015 15:47:00 GMT -5
Although I don't care for G's coaching and out of control actions during games he doesn't have much of a chance of getting 3 star players because of schools poor location and bad facilities. He would get an A- in recruiting all things considered. No matter what coach you bring in kids don't want to play in this environment when they can play somewhere up-scale. G hits on a recruit when they sometimes don't visit or they run out of options which is rather infrequent. Truth is money schools because of their appearance win out almost all the time and as time goes by it will continue to get worse just like it has over the past 20-30 years. Schools like St. J, La Salle, Drexel and even a state school like Temple will continue to slid until they finally succumb to financial woes and close most if not all sports programs. Ther is very little that money can't destroy.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 16, 2015 17:24:12 GMT -5
If G were to leave, there would be applications from a ton of mid-major coaches in the region (Toole, the Albany coach, the American coach) at least. And then every single assistant coach in the country would apply, too. Toole is a great example. In my mind, he's a guy who eventually should get major looks. I would think he would definitely consider La Salle, but also see the risk of stalling out here. This isn't a place where if you're good, you'll do well. We have the other negative factors. (Not unique to us. I would think that type would also consider a pass ln Bonaventure due to location, for example. I just don't see us as an absolute yes mid-major.)
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 17, 2015 17:00:17 GMT -5
Giannini has been mentioned regarding DePaul again and again.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 17, 2015 17:48:16 GMT -5
Giannini has been mentioned regarding DePaul again and again. Not sure if the articles are the same, but both have the same writer.
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Post by mookie on Mar 17, 2015 17:51:32 GMT -5
Giannini has been mentioned regarding DePaul again and again. Not a knock on G, but if i were DePaul, I'd go after Hurley. I was touting either if the Hurleys a few years ago if G was fired, let go or moved on and still feel that way.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 17, 2015 17:56:00 GMT -5
Giannini has been mentioned regarding DePaul again and again. Not sure if the articles are the same, but both have the same writer. Should have caught it.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 17, 2015 17:56:49 GMT -5
Giannini has been mentioned regarding DePaul again and again. Not a knock on G, but if i were DePaul, I'd go after Hurley. I was touting either if the Hurleys a few years ago if G was fired, let go or moved on and still feel that way. I dont know if he'd be interested in either.
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Post by mookie on Mar 17, 2015 18:06:48 GMT -5
Not a knock on G, but if i were DePaul, I'd go after Hurley. I was touting either if the Hurleys a few years ago if G was fired, let go or moved on and still feel that way. I dont know if he'd be interested in either. You're right, it's tough to gauge. Bobby is in Buffalo while Danny is wit URI. I think Danny is in a better situation so I could imagine Bobby leaving for a step up. But I think a step up for either would be a bigger program. DePaul could be intriguing though if the program was made more of a priority. That program has brought in high level recruits before and should be more competitive on the recruiting trail with a more known Name coach.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 17, 2015 19:11:04 GMT -5
Interesting list on the DePaul names.
Is DePaul still building* that new arena downtown? That could go a long way in seeing who puts their name in the DePaul hat. DePaul has been a no-man's land for ages.
Valpo's Bryce Drew: I could see this happening if he's as ambitious as his brother is at Baylor. But the Drew family are gods at Valpo. Bryce grew up in the town. They have a good chance of making the tournament regularly because of the Horizon League. Intersting.
Green Bay's Brian Wardle: Good young coach at a program that almost made the tournament the past few years. However, he was tainted by scandal after being found to mistreat players. A bunch of players (including former Explorer Cole Stefan) left the program because of that.
Steve Maisello: Back-to-back NCAAs and a Pitino disciple. But he had the whole "lying about graduating" thing last year and also has no Midwest ties. He's a New York guy. Maybe he's laying in wait for the Seton Hall job to open up, ala Bobby Gonzalez?
Bobby Hurley: A huge name, obviously. He could make this move but could also hang on for something better.
Ben Howland: One of the best coaches not tied into a team right now. I thought he got hosed at UCLA. that would be a huge get for Howland. But does he want to try and take a dormant program when there could be a better gig waiting?
Dr. G: If he wants a nice bump in pay, this might be his last chance. If he doesn't go for this job/doesn't get it, then I think he's retiring as an Explorer.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 17, 2015 19:29:47 GMT -5
Maybe this is the one Shaka has been holding out for*.
* This is not the one Shaka has been holding out for.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 17, 2015 20:57:15 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Doc explore the possibility of taking this job?
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 18, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
Tom Pecora at Fordham fired today. Surprised a little since it appeared he was getting some talent into the program. I guess if I am a fan I would want change but another year might have been what that program needed. No they may lose some of that young talent.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 18, 2015 10:42:00 GMT -5
Tom Pecora at Fordham fired today. Surprised a little since it appeared he was getting some talent into the program. I guess if I am a fan I would want change but another year might have been what that program needed. No they may lose some of that young talent. I'm a little surprised as well mostly because Fordham is usually slow to act. I wonder if the whole issue with Severe had an impact on him getting fired?
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Post by MisterD on Mar 18, 2015 10:50:32 GMT -5
13-69 in conference over a half decade.
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