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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 2, 2021 7:05:04 GMT -5
The MAAC stinks. I'm not getting into it here though.
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Post by golasalle on Mar 2, 2021 9:30:19 GMT -5
The focus was not on margin of victory but letting 2 sure Ws go. With those wins we are 8-9 and in the same neighborhood in the standings as Richmond and Dayton, who most pundits had high in the standings and dancing. We beat both of those teams! The larger point below that one was youth and lack of quality shot taking. Everyone in the standings above us other than mass had far more experience than us. SLU is a vet team and we beat them! So I think you have to give them space and time to improve and recognize that this is a damn good league. I’d rather be in a good league and struggling to improve than settle on the MAAC. Every argument I hear for it I have an argument against. Most notably that you’d be a bigger minor league talent developer there than the A10 if we lucked on a diamond in the rough (and those days are pretty much over anyway) Stated differently do you think we could have recruited Ramon Reke Tyrone jerrell and even Sherif or Jig now if we were in the MAAC? I doubt any would have settled for the MAAC. When we were in the MAAC a lot of that success was around having one or two star players in the lineup. The chance of getting Lionel Doug and Doug Randy on a team now in the MAAC is zero. Those guys would be at BE schools or Penn State Rutgers or MD now. The MAAC would be a disaster. And MAAC era alums are not greater or stronger than other eras. They just have better memories. So please enough with the MAAC already. Bottom line. Ash gets another year. If he performs at or worse than what he did this year we have a coaching problem. But he needs to get transfers that can compete in the A10. If he doesn’t do that and/or the offensive scheme does not improve significantly we will have this problem next year. NPOA
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 2, 2021 11:29:30 GMT -5
Last year we lost by 13 to Mason. This year...33 and 35. UMass last year...lost by 8 and 11. This year...19 and 16. Rhode Island last year...lost by 3. This year...13. Davidson last year...lost by 25. This year...24. YAY!!! PROGRESS!!!!!
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 2, 2021 11:39:58 GMT -5
The MAAC stinks. I'm not getting into it here though. Thank you! Damn defeatists on this board that want to "drop down" conferences. Concede defeat. Give up placement in desirable mid-major conference. Slip into more irrelevance. Solidify fourth/fifth fiddle status in town. Jettison majority of alumni/fans. Get a grip, folks.
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Post by golasalle on Mar 2, 2021 12:12:56 GMT -5
The MAAC stinks. I'm not getting into it here though. Thank you! Damn defeatists on this board that want to "drop down" conferences. Concede defeat. Give up placement in desirable mid-major conference. Slip into more irrelevance. Solidify fourth/fifth fiddle status in town. Jettison majority of alumni/fans. Get a grip, folks. Amen brother
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 2, 2021 12:31:03 GMT -5
The MAAC stinks. I'm not getting into it here though. Thank you! Damn defeatists on this board that want to "drop down" conferences. Concede defeat. Give up placement in desirable mid-major conference. Slip into more irrelevance. Solidify fourth/fifth fiddle status in town. Jettison majority of alumni/fans. Get a grip, folks. It's not about wanting to drop down a conference. But maybe it is about recognizing that the school is not resourced to be in this conference for its flagship sport, and perhaps could be more successful in a different conference (if your barometer of success is a post-season appearance in NIT or NCAA). If, after 26 years you've had exactly 4 winning records in the conference for your prime revenue-generating sport, 1 NIT and 1 NCAA, it might be time to rethink some things.
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 2, 2021 15:50:17 GMT -5
Thank you! Damn defeatists on this board that want to "drop down" conferences. Concede defeat. Give up placement in desirable mid-major conference. Slip into more irrelevance. Solidify fourth/fifth fiddle status in town. Jettison majority of alumni/fans. Get a grip, folks. It's not about wanting to drop down a conference. But maybe it is about recognizing that the school is not resourced to be in this conference for its flagship sport, and perhaps could be more successful in a different conference (if your barometer of success is a post-season appearance in NIT or NCAA). If, after 26 years you've had exactly 4 winning records in the conference for your prime revenue-generating sport, 1 NIT and 1 NCAA, it might be time to rethink some things. I know I'm part of the "drop down" crowd, and I did reference the MAAC. But I'm leaning more to the Patriot League and see us battle against the likes of Bucknell, Lehigh, Holy Cross and Colgate every year. Match ups against Quinnipiac and Marist just doesn't do it for me. Think about it. Early March, and we're talking Conference Play In game (again), Coaching change (again) and dropping down. What does that tell you?
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 2, 2021 16:21:46 GMT -5
Tax season taking the life out of me this year but just caught up on a lot of this.
Leaving for the MAAC isn't worth a discussion.
I'm definitely disappointed with how the regular season ended. Their offense got better and their defense just completely fell apart. I plan to go back and watch those games during the end January to really understand what happened there.
Next year is really key for Ash's future going forward. I think the pieces are there but fundamentally there are major issues. As I said awhile back, I'm not ready to kick Ash out the door yet. It's just way too soon for a program like ours. We bought into a young rising coach and you can make the case that a more experience coach may have been a better choice. However, it takes some time for young coaches to come around and I understand there really isn't too much to be positive about around how the coaching was at times this season. The lack of consistency is the problem for me and I think that partially attributable to being inexperienced, covid, transfers, poor coaching and not practicing all summer.
If next season is a complete dumpster fire I think the administration will have something to think about. I'm also not concerned about the off the court situation or any of the technicals Ash received. That's just noise to me that has no real merit on the program as a whole.
I think many of you underestimate how difficult of a job La Salle is and I think the administration going to be patient with him. Right now, I side on patience unless the situation really deteriorates next year. For whatever reason, I think Ash's ceiling is much higher than where the team currently stands.
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Post by louth on Mar 2, 2021 17:15:04 GMT -5
I want La Salle to be affiliated with the academic institutions of the A10. GW, UMass, Fordham, Richmond, Mason, Davidson. This affiliation enhances my degree and my son’s degree. An affiliation with Siena, Iona, etc does nothing academically and cheapens our brand.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 2, 2021 17:28:35 GMT -5
It's not about wanting to drop down a conference. But maybe it is about recognizing that the school is not resourced to be in this conference for its flagship sport, and perhaps could be more successful in a different conference (if your barometer of success is a post-season appearance in NIT or NCAA). If, after 26 years you've had exactly 4 winning records in the conference for your prime revenue-generating sport, 1 NIT and 1 NCAA, it might be time to rethink some things. I know I'm part of the "drop down" crowd, and I did reference the MAAC. But I'm leaning more to the Patriot League and see us battle against the likes of Bucknell, Lehigh, Holy Cross and Colgate every year. Match ups against Quinnipiac and Marist just doesn't do it for me. you can't be serious. the patriot league would never even consider la salle.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 2, 2021 18:32:13 GMT -5
you can't be serious. the patriot league would never even consider la salle. What do you know? We do agree on something.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 2, 2021 19:50:40 GMT -5
Very curious how many of the conferences that get brought up here would currently have a program with worse facilities than us.
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Post by explorerentourage on Mar 2, 2021 20:56:27 GMT -5
Very curious how many of the conferences that get brought up here would currently have a program with worse facilities than us. It’s very few, and the number seems to shrink yearly
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Post by kevin1aai on Mar 2, 2021 21:11:08 GMT -5
Thank you! Damn defeatists on this board that want to "drop down" conferences. Concede defeat. Give up placement in desirable mid-major conference. Slip into more irrelevance. Solidify fourth/fifth fiddle status in town. Jettison majority of alumni/fans. Get a grip, folks. Amen brother
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Post by kevin1aai on Mar 2, 2021 21:23:47 GMT -5
Hate to tell you this but we are already the fourth/fifth status in town. 4 winning seasons in 26 years of A-10 competition.... I don't think that you could slip further into irrelevance. As for jettisoning alums and fans that's already been done. Majority of home games over the previous years had very sparse crowds. Time to recognize the program for what it is. The A10 will not work for a school with this kind of budget and facilities. A .444 winning percentage over such a lengthy period of time shows that clearly.
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Post by kevin1aai on Mar 2, 2021 21:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 2, 2021 21:38:28 GMT -5
Very curious how many of the conferences that get brought up here would currently have a program with worse facilities than us. It’s very few, and the number seems to shrink yearly That same statement can be said for our season ticket holders.
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Post by roaddog77 on Mar 3, 2021 1:51:52 GMT -5
What about the Horizon conference, it have better brand of basketball than the MAAC and the patriot league. I want us to success in the A10 but waiting for someone to transfer from a major basketball conference (ACC, Big Ten, and SEC) is a waste of time. We seen what happen this year with the player that transfer from major basketball school (Spencer, Beatty and Moore). No big time basketball recruit don't want to come to LaSalle with the basketball facility and the history of the program. The main issue is winning basketball game. It doesn't matter who coach LaSalle, winning is everything in college basketball. Winning bring top recruit, new facility, and money to the program. If we don't win meaningful game and have a winning season, we be talking about same old topic.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 3, 2021 5:09:03 GMT -5
Been there, done that. Makes less sense than the A10 for travel reasons.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 3, 2021 6:27:38 GMT -5
This conversation kind of reminds me of a friend who drank, smoked, stayed out all night and ran around. He thought the solution was to change wives. We buried the guy like 15 years ago.
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Post by hykos1045 on Mar 3, 2021 7:22:56 GMT -5
Very curious how many of the conferences that get brought up here would currently have a program with worse facilities than us. Welcome to the annual facilities thread which comes up every single year on the play-in games day! For JMU and McGonigle Hall, I could not determine of our facilities were better or worse so I split the decision... My list of comparable D1 facilities to TGA: *Morgan State (Gola by inches) *James Madison (split?) *CCSU (Gola by a mile) *Temple women's basketball (split?) *Rider (Gola wins running away) *Seton Hall women's basketball (Seton Hall by inches)
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 3, 2021 8:14:55 GMT -5
What about the Horizon conference, it have better brand of basketball than the MAAC and the patriot league. No. We switched to that conference my senior year from the MAAC and it felt like the beginning of the downfall. At least the MAAC schools were in the region and people knew kids from their high schools who went to those schools and could have a mini rivalry going. No one at La Salle felt any sense of rivalry or caring about playing schools like Detroit Mercy and Wisconsin-Green Bay. That conference did nothing for the school and was a disaster. The conference NET and RPI for Horizon is significantly worse than the MAAC and the Patriot League. It is not a better brand of basketball.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 3, 2021 9:10:02 GMT -5
Very curious how many of the conferences that get brought up here would currently have a program with worse facilities than us. Welcome to the annual facilities thread which comes up every single year on the play-in games day! For JMU and McGonigle Hall, I could not determine of our facilities were better or worse so I split the decision... My list of comparable D1 facilities to TGA: *Morgan State (Gola by inches) *James Madison (split?) *CCSU (Gola by a mile) *Temple women's basketball (split?) *Rider (Gola wins running away) *Seton Hall women's basketball (Seton Hall by inches) can't compare jmu anymore. they opened a beautiful new arena in november. www.whsv.com/2020/11/12/a-look-inside-the-atlantic-union-bank-center/you can replace that with st peter's. even st peter's planned upgrade is worse than gola. saintpeterspeacocks.com/feature/ylc
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Mar 3, 2021 10:09:29 GMT -5
‘No offense if I quoted your post’ yet you refer to people who had a different opinion on who the next coach should be as ‘clowns’ Thinking they were going to hire a part-time ESPN analyst with credentials that include being the AAU coach for his son's AAU team was ridiculous from the jump, his having interest or not. Maybe using the word "clown" wasn't fair, but the idea was silly so... Do you think this team would currently be in worse shape if they had hired Legler over Howard and if so, why?
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Post by sidclassof69 on Mar 3, 2021 10:21:39 GMT -5
I know this has been brought up thousands of times- but- What successful coach would want the La Salle job? The only people that would want the job, are young assistants, who are looking for an opportunity to get into the head coaching business. La Salle is at best , a low mid major program, due to iits location, facilities, etc. Anyone who expects a coach to be successful here, is not being realistic. I’m not saying that Ash is without his faults, and that there’s not room for improvement, but overall, even with that( improvement), how much better can things really get.? As a once proud alum, I am now , almost embarrassed, when it comes to talking about our basketball program.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 3, 2021 10:24:10 GMT -5
The problem with your question is the implication that Howard's 20 A-10 wins is somehow a floor for this program when there are three teams with less over the last three seasons. Fordham is less than 20 if you use their last five seasons. So framing it as "how could we be any worse if we'd gone with the AAU coach over the top assistant on the national champions" is pretty clearly inherently flawed. We could be better, but we absolutely could be worse and even a lot worse.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 3, 2021 10:28:17 GMT -5
Basically, you can choose to believe anything you want, but when its "no experience would be better than the best possible assistant coaching experience", the burden remains on you to prove why that makes any sense.
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 3, 2021 11:44:27 GMT -5
Very curious how many of the conferences that get brought up here would currently have a program with worse facilities than us. Welcome to the annual facilities thread which comes up every single year on the play-in games day! For JMU and McGonigle Hall, I could not determine of our facilities were better or worse so I split the decision... My list of comparable D1 facilities to TGA: *Morgan State (Gola by inches) *James Madison (split?) *CCSU (Gola by a mile) *Temple women's basketball (split?) *Rider (Gola wins running away) *Seton Hall women's basketball (Seton Hall by inches) Morgan State has seats behind the basket at one end. Also plenty of seating and tiered better. Needs a facelift but it’s not better than Gola
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 3, 2021 13:09:49 GMT -5
For whatever reason, I think Ash's ceiling is much higher than where the team currently stands. When you are laying on the floor, the ceiling always seems higher
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 3, 2021 13:18:22 GMT -5
I have been to Morgan State. Their facility blows Gola out of the water. Not even close.
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