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Post by crayzeeguy on Sept 29, 2020 12:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Sept 29, 2020 12:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by Happy Fortune on Sept 29, 2020 12:33:48 GMT -5
I hope this release was deployed AFTER meeting with the student athletes affected.
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Post by explorerman on Sept 29, 2020 12:34:00 GMT -5
Surprised with a couple.. Others not surprised
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Post by MisterD on Sept 29, 2020 12:35:22 GMT -5
The timing of today’s announcement gives these student-athletes an opportunity to have a competitive season before making decisions about the future. It’s important to note that we will honor all existing athletic scholarship aid of the affected student-athletes through graduation at La Salle and will help students transfer their credits and eligibility, if they choose to compete at another university. For student-athletes who have been granted an additional year of eligibility by the NCAA due to the impacts of COVID-19, their scholarship and aid will continue at their current percentage for an additional year if they enroll in select graduate programs at La Salle.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 29, 2020 12:36:12 GMT -5
I hope this release was deployed AFTER meeting with the student athletes affected. I can't imagine that could be done without a leak at which point people would be furious over the leak. |
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Post by crayzeeguy on Sept 29, 2020 12:42:11 GMT -5
I hope this release was deployed AFTER meeting with the student athletes affected. Per the article, looks like the AD notified the coaches this morning. Hopefully they had enough time to tell the teams. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 29, 2020 12:51:14 GMT -5
Men's swimming surprises me. I thought, like track and cross country, that they had a ton of walkons that are paying their way to be a D1 athlete. My sister was a scholarship volleyball player until she ripped her ACL and MCL to shreds, but the decade plus of being the worst team (of any sport) in all of the A10 probably hurt their case.
"Stinks. They were finally good" was her quote.
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Post by 1801olney on Sept 29, 2020 12:52:38 GMT -5
This is terrible. They just added water polo and now it’s being cut? How much money was wasted on starting the program?
Best of luck to the student athletes in the future.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 29, 2020 13:16:40 GMT -5
So basketball is the only sport that needs the gym now. Wonder if that played into the decision or if it was all Title 9 and spending.
You also just gained the areas that used to be taken up by the baseball and softball fields as new usable space.
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Post by 23won on Sept 29, 2020 13:25:52 GMT -5
So basketball is the only sport that needs the gym now. Wonder if that played into the decision or if it was all Title 9 and spending. You also just gained the areas that used to be taken up by the baseball and softball fields as new usable space. Women's swim, dive and water polo remain |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 29, 2020 13:35:00 GMT -5
So basketball is the only sport that needs the gym now. Wonder if that played into the decision or if it was all Title 9 and spending. You also just gained the areas that used to be taken up by the baseball and softball fields as new usable space. Women's swim, dive and water polo remain I meant the actual gym sorry, not the building. |
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Post by big5explorer on Sept 29, 2020 13:35:20 GMT -5
Horrible news for the school, the students, and for the alumni. While I understand that finances, and unforeseen factors like Covid, can often dictate difficult decisions, this is not healthy for this school, and is a poor reflection of the direction the school is heading.
La Salle, and other Universities which have made similar decisions, seem to have lost sight that a college is really a collection of students, engaging is learning, sometimes from one another. And relegating an education to an online experience, or limiting sporting actives is a detriment to that process.
These activities are more important to a fabric of a University than how many administrators they have, or how many pretty new buildings they have. Alumni do not look back and reflect on how awesome that business building was, but rather will embrace the connections they made with fellow athletes, or while engaged in other activities the college may offer.
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 29, 2020 13:40:33 GMT -5
It's tough. And I'm not going to say "oh who cares about ____ sport" because you need to remember there's real people involved. I have to agree with 1801 on the Water Polo thing. It was around what, 3 years? It looks like the Women's program stays for now though.
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 29, 2020 13:41:46 GMT -5
So basketball is the only sport that needs the gym now. Wonder if that played into the decision or if it was all Title 9 and spending. You also just gained the areas that used to be taken up by the baseball and softball fields as new usable space. Does Field Hockey still play there? I remember when I was there they did, I think something about the lines for FH and Lacrosse being too similar to play on the same field, if at all possible. |
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Post by hykos1045 on Sept 29, 2020 13:50:52 GMT -5
Yes, the Field Hockey team plays at Devincent.
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 29, 2020 13:51:44 GMT -5
So what are the 18 left?
M/W Soccer (2)
M/W Cross Country (2)
Field Hockey
M/W Basketball (2)
M/W Track and Field (2)
W Lacrosse
W Swimming/Diving
W Water Polo
M/W Rowing (2)
M/w Golf
....that gets me to 16, so I'm assuming T/F counts for 4 (Winter and Spring). When you think about golf and rowing obviously not happening on campus, and none of the Track and Field ever happening at La Salle (which I think is still true), that leaves basically soceer, Field hockey, basketball, lacrosse, and the water sports as the only stuff that actually takes place on campus, in terms of people being able to go to games.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 29, 2020 15:15:20 GMT -5
I can honestly say that I went to just basketball (both teams) and soccer (mostly women, but both teams) during my time at La Salle. Don't think I ever went and watched anything else.
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Post by 23won on Sept 29, 2020 15:19:11 GMT -5
Is there some rationale for keeping womens' swim, dive and polo teams when the men's teams were cut? If you are looking at cost savings and facility consolidation, it would appear to make more sense cut all swim, dive and polo teams to free up/shut down Kirk Space. Also, if FH could be played where soccer is (or in fields behind hospital space) that would free up valuable inner-campus space to plan around.
There are +3 women programs to men now and there will be +4 now, fwiw
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Post by 1801olney on Sept 29, 2020 15:21:04 GMT -5
Is there some rationale for keeping womens' swim, dive and polo teams when the men's teams were cut? If you are looking at cost savings and facility consolidation, it would appear to make more sense cut all swim, dive and polo teams to free up/shut down Kirk Space. Also, if FH could be played where soccer is (or in fields behind hospital space) that would free up valuable inner-campus space to plan around. There are +3 women programs to men now and there will be +4 now, fwiw Title IX |
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Post by joe on Sept 29, 2020 16:03:14 GMT -5
I think this move is more about dumping coaches’ pay. LaSalle can not justify paying coaches for not working. Former players will organize and over a few years these programs will be brought back. I am sure Bill Bradshaw is on the phone giving people hell.
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Post by walkon on Sept 29, 2020 16:04:23 GMT -5
Hate to sound harsh, and I’m kind of biased...... but let’s see that money go towards a facility and into our basketball programs.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 29, 2020 16:32:51 GMT -5
Take it with however many grains of salt are necessary, but the release did say this isn't a savings move, its a reallocation.
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Post by joe on Sept 29, 2020 16:38:49 GMT -5
Hate to sound harsh, and I’m kind of biased...... but let’s see that money go towards a facility and into our basketball programs. Will there be anyone left to go to the games? La Salle took a hit today. I do not think LaSalle will ever recover from this. I am not renewing my season tickets whenever fan are allowed in. Sad day. Forget Basketball. Can Ash recruit players if there are a few hundred kids left on campus? |
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Post by a10 on Sept 29, 2020 16:44:59 GMT -5
It just breaks my heart to see my alma mater struggling so much.
They're going to do what they have to do to survive and I'm sure everyone understands that. It's just that the news out of La Salle seems to be so depressing for the past few years now. It's hard to believe this is the same school that commanded so much respect in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s (up to the early 90s).
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Post by MisterD on Sept 29, 2020 17:26:54 GMT -5
I do not think LaSalle will ever recover from this. Its worth looking at this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_10_Conference#SportsIt sucks, for sure, but people are acting like we're the first school to drop any sports versus being the only school to offer every sport before today. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 29, 2020 17:31:13 GMT -5
Ok let’s relax. There are plenty of schools with this amount of sports teams. Stinks for the coaches and the players but it’s not the end of the world. The school isn’t folding tomorrow. Nobody is going to say ‘La Salle doesn’t even have a baseball team’ and instead choose Rider.
What he said ^^^
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Post by stlexplorer on Sept 29, 2020 17:41:19 GMT -5
I'm biased, I'll say it right off the bat. I'm married to a 4-year volleyball player at La Salle who first hand experienced Tom Brennan's clown show. He ran programs into the ground and was allowed to stay in his position and failed upwards. He and the school allowed a joke of a volleyball coach to embarrass the university for numerous seasons. New administration came in and started turning things around, actually brought in a real coach and made a program the school could be proud of. What's the next step? Pull the plug
Not trying to be dramatic but my wife is talking on the phone and texting with former teammates crying about a program that didn't win double digits combined in her time because of how the school treated the sport. As of this week they were still announcing hirings and tweeted about a commitment to the program. Not shocked at continued disconnect from La Salle.
I didn't play a sport but worked for the athletic department and admissions office in my 4 years at La Salle. Obviously I'm a diehard basketball fan but today I don't feel the same about the school I love as I did this morning. I wouldn't be surprised if the school lost a supporter today in my wife.
I wouldn't feel so bad if I thought this was a positive move by the school but what in the past tells me they will reallocate the funds and improve the remaining parts of the school? Only time will tell but it's gonna be a long time before my wife gets over today as she feels like a part of her got erased.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Sept 29, 2020 17:57:17 GMT -5
So what are the 18 left? M/W Soccer (2) M/W Cross Country (2) Field Hockey M/W Basketball (2) M/W Track and Field (2) W Lacrosse W Swimming/Diving W Water Polo M/W Rowing (2) M/w Golf ....that gets me to 16, so I'm assuming T/F counts for 4 (Winter and Spring). When you think about golf and rowing obviously not happening on campus, and none of the Track and Field ever happening at La Salle (which I think is still true), that leaves basically soceer, Field hockey, basketball, lacrosse, and the water sports as the only stuff that actually takes place on campus, in terms of people being able to go to games. Yes, the cross country/track teams count for 6 total. I didn't think men's rowing counted towards the total since it's not a championship sport, but I guess it does. |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Sept 29, 2020 18:04:28 GMT -5
I think this move is more about dumping coaches’ pay. LaSalle can not justify paying coaches for not working. Former players will organize and over a few years these programs will be brought back. I am sure Bill Bradshaw is on the phone giving people hell. When I worked there late 90s/early 00s, Brennan started bringing more coaches on as full-time employees. However, they had other responsibilities when out of season. Not sure what those responsibilities were, but he did that to justify them being full time. I think there were only like 6 or 7 full-time head coaches around the turn of the century. That included football, Torpey (who technically was the head coach for 6 teams) and Lyons (who was the head coach for both swim/dive teams). |
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