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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Sept 30, 2020 19:36:19 GMT -5
My only question to that info is that in the years listed 2013-17, that team averaged under 20 home games a year. Even with an average of 20 games a year, that is over $8700 in game day expenses. Outside of the 3 umpires, who or what are the other expenses? No way 3 umps are getting paid that because even the top 3 A10 basketball refs are making that much combined in 1 game. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 30, 2020 20:02:43 GMT -5
I remember the night after the football players were told it was over a bunch of them wanting to burn the school down.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 30, 2020 20:04:18 GMT -5
Also I’m sure that La Salle isn’t losing money by cutting these teams...so you can do all the math you guys want.
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Post by explorerman on Sept 30, 2020 20:23:03 GMT -5
Also I’m sure that La Salle isn’t losing money by cutting these teams...so you can do all the math you guys want. They aren’t... Those numbers were absolutely a variable and were a part of Decision making process.. |
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Post by gymrat67 on Sept 30, 2020 20:23:15 GMT -5
Methinks it will be interesting to see how much of the costs savings from the elimination of these seven sports -- at least in the short term -- is initially " reallocated " to the men's and women's basketball teams budgets in order to achieve / accelerate " lift-off ", under the calculus that a dramatic improvement in La Salle's A-10 Conference MBB and WBB rankings status will generate enough additional income (e.g., TV revenue, A-10 "units", NCAA "units", ticket sales and team merchandise sales ) for the Athletics Dept. to more than make-up / restore any temporary deficits of ( and possibly substantially enlarge ) the team budgets of all of the remaining men's and women's non-revenue sports ( a/k/a " a rising tide lifts all boats " strategy ). Attachment Deleted |
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Post by 23won on Sept 30, 2020 21:35:27 GMT -5
Its weird how a poster might incessantly advocate for running the university more like a business and then when leadership runs the university more like a business they complain that leadership ran the university more like a business. Businesses, especially public companies, that are successful run the business with a steady stream of engagement with key stakeholders. Businesses that don't do this well typically fail or the management team gets replaced with one that can be effective in engagement, strategy and execution. So there's a lot to be gained from an effective program of engagement. It doesn't seem like that is happening this year with our leadership. |
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Post by MisterD on Sept 30, 2020 21:51:22 GMT -5
Again, I’m not happy or making light of the decision, but it’s not one that can go to the most upset/affected but decidedly smaller group. Every sport or major cut hurts a group of someones but you have to trust it’s for the greater overall good.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 30, 2020 22:15:34 GMT -5
Again, I’m not happy or making light of the decision, but it’s not one that can go to the most upset/affected but decidedly smaller group. Every sport or major cut hurts a group of someones but you have to trust it’s for the greater overall good. But trust is earned, not blindly given. If you look at the pattern of the past few years, art was sold, majors were abolished, there were 2 rounds of faculty and staff cuts, and now sports are being eliminated. What is the greater good here with these cuts and when can that translate into increased enrollment and/or donations which sustain the school? I think if these moves were producing tangible positive results, trust would be more free-flowing from the community and the alumni. As it stands, a number of groups are wondering, "Am I next? When is the next round of these?". It feels reactionary and creates a level of mistrust. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 30, 2020 22:32:32 GMT -5
Nobody is going to say ‘La Salle doesn’t even have a baseball team’ and instead choose Rider. Unless they are planning to play baseball in college. Also...in recruiting Christian Ray, it likely helped that his brother was on the baseball team at La Salle. |
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Post by MisterD on Sept 30, 2020 23:33:40 GMT -5
I’m sure the new administration would have loved to come in, win three games and reap both the revenue and the suddenly prominent alumni that comes with it, but that’s an outlier. They’re tasked with cleaning up an earlier mess and making the shitty decisions that come with following those who didn’t make them.
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Post by explorerman on Oct 1, 2020 5:26:55 GMT -5
Its weird how a poster might incessantly advocate for running the university more like a business and then when leadership runs the university more like a business they complain that leadership ran the university more like a business. Businesses, especially public companies, that are successful run the business with a steady stream of engagement with key stakeholders. Businesses that don't do this well typically fail or the management team gets replaced with one that can be effective in engagement, strategy and execution. So there's a lot to be gained from an effective program of engagement. It doesn't seem like that is happening this year with our leadership. Businesses also constantly adjust to the new environment... and the ones that don’t change with it die.. La Salle had no business offering the most sports in the A-10... We are not a public school where taxpayers can foot an overcharge... Current team is righting a whole bunch of wrongs.. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 1, 2020 6:08:11 GMT -5
I’m sure the new administration would have loved to come in, win three games and reap both the revenue and the suddenly prominent alumni that comes with it, but that’s an outlier. They’re tasked with cleaning up an earlier mess and making the shitty decisions that come with following those who didn’t make them. But some of the current Board of Trustee members were also BoT members during the prior administration. It's essentially their own mess. What's the timeframe you give to clean up the mess and get enrollment, endowment, and engagement back on track? |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 1, 2020 6:38:17 GMT -5
You’re right we should reset the board.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Oct 1, 2020 7:35:46 GMT -5
Back in the day- ( 68-69)- there would have been a protest march up Olney Ave.( led by Coach Genie McDonnell)- if baseball had been cut!
Sadly, today , baseball plus the other sports, that were cut, will only be missed by the athletes involved, plus their parents, grandparents,etc.
Those sports don’t generate $$+ Sadly, that’s what it’s all about.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 1, 2020 8:01:10 GMT -5
But some of the current Board of Trustee members were also BoT members during the prior administration. It's essentially their own mess. What's the timeframe you give to clean up the mess and get enrollment, endowment, and engagement back on track? More than one week  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 8:45:24 GMT -5
The absolute negligence by Brennan to keep these teams competitive is appalling and we are now seeing the effects of that. The just didnt win conference games for years at a time. Softball was a similar disaster and baseball was mostly not very good. Sure, he probably didn't have endless cash to hire coaches with, but neither did Bradshaw. What Volleyball did in the last, 5 ish years is incredible and to see it now cut SUCKS. Baseball was moving in a similar direction under Miller who I talked to and who I think had a tremendous vision for the program. Softball I don't know as much about, but I know there has been a lot of turnover. It's almost like Brennan should be taken to court for his salaries the last 10 years he was at the school because it was absolutely negligence with how he ran the athletic department. I don't know much about the BoT like some of y'all are suggesting, but that would seem to make sense as well, who didnt hold him accountable AT ALL??
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 1, 2020 8:59:58 GMT -5
But some of the current Board of Trustee members were also BoT members during the prior administration. It's essentially their own mess. What's the timeframe you give to clean up the mess and get enrollment, endowment, and engagement back on track? More than one week agreed...but it's been 5 years |
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Post by 23won on Oct 1, 2020 9:19:43 GMT -5
Businesses, especially public companies, that are successful run the business with a steady stream of engagement with key stakeholders. Businesses that don't do this well typically fail or the management team gets replaced with one that can be effective in engagement, strategy and execution. So there's a lot to be gained from an effective program of engagement. It doesn't seem like that is happening this year with our leadership. Businesses also constantly adjust to the new environment... and the ones that don’t change with it die.. La Salle had no business offering the most sports in the A-10... We are not a public school where taxpayers can foot an overcharge... Current team is righting a whole bunch of wrongs.. Doesn't seem like it to me. You said in another post that "Baseball has been on the chopping block since I can remember. La Salle has wanted that land for other purposes for quite sometime." If that's the case, cut womens' softball and then there would be valuable acreage freed up. Same thing with Kirk. Cut womens' water sports too, and then you can do an unrestricted reno of Hayman/Gola/Trustmark. If you need to whack more mens' sports for Title IX, cut mens' rowing golf and cross country. If you are going to right things ... do it right. Don't do a half-assed reset. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 1, 2020 9:29:18 GMT -5
Businesses also constantly adjust to the new environment... and the ones that don’t change with it die.. La Salle had no business offering the most sports in the A-10... We are not a public school where taxpayers can foot an overcharge... Current team is righting a whole bunch of wrongs.. cut mens' cross country rafters would look pretty barren on the men's side 😬 |
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Post by 1801olney on Oct 1, 2020 14:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 1, 2020 14:18:48 GMT -5
Oh God.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 1, 2020 14:21:09 GMT -5
No.
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Post by 1801olney on Oct 1, 2020 14:22:33 GMT -5
Triggered
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 1, 2020 14:29:10 GMT -5
He's a huge piece of shit and his company is an actively harmful to the culture, particularly in the targeted harassment of women. A bunch of barstool dipshits named "Southie Sully" sending tweets to school officials calling them the c word would solve precisely zero of our problems.
If that means I'm triggered so be it. Fuck Dave Portnoy and Barstool.
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Post by explorerentourage on Oct 1, 2020 14:32:45 GMT -5
Brick by Brick. Go Pres Go.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 1, 2020 14:37:47 GMT -5
LOL ur triggered by racists and sexists what a loser
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Post by 1801olney on Oct 1, 2020 14:43:20 GMT -5
He's a huge piece of shit and his company is an actively harmful to the culture, particularly in the targeted harassment of women. A bunch of barstool dipshits named "Southie Sully" sending tweets to school officials calling them the c word would solve precisely zero of our problems. If that means I'm triggered so be it. Fuck Dave Portnoy and Barstool. So no quid pro quo, straight cash donation, you'd say no? |
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 1, 2020 14:43:23 GMT -5
I won't keep going on this. This thread topic is too important to hijack regarding my hatred of him and his company and what it represents. Just suffice to say Dave Portnoy and La Salle being mentioned in the same sentence is not something I ever thought I'd have to be concerned with, yet here we are.
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 1, 2020 14:51:39 GMT -5
He's a huge piece of shit and his company is an actively harmful to the culture, particularly in the targeted harassment of women. A bunch of barstool dipshits named "Southie Sully" sending tweets to school officials calling them the c word would solve precisely zero of our problems. If that means I'm triggered so be it. Fuck Dave Portnoy and Barstool. So no quid pro quo, straight cash donation, you'd say no? I'm not the President of the University, so I don't get to make the decision. I know in the grand scheme of things what I do doesn't mean a damned thing, but the day La Salle went into any kind of business with Dave Portnoy or Barstool would be the day I stopped donating to the University, following any of the sports teams or any of that. I guess in your hypothetical it would be just a straight personal donation of money, without any sort of "The baseball field is now sponsored by Barstool Sports" etc. which would be a different animal I suppose, but I guess I just don't see Dave Portnoy as an altruistic guy. |
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Post by explorerentourage on Oct 1, 2020 14:53:50 GMT -5
Patiently waiting for Deadspin's counter offer (Are they even still in business?)
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