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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 5, 2017 14:55:03 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 5, 2017 15:12:06 GMT -5
Give me five more rows all the way around and a couple suites and I'm in. Construction cost $31.5 million ($41 million in 2017 dollars[2]) |
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Mar 5, 2017 15:46:43 GMT -5
Give me five more rows all the way around and a couple suites and I'm in. Construction cost $31.5 million ($41 million in 2017 dollars[2]) Seats AND suites behind the baskets! |
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 5, 2017 16:20:08 GMT -5
I'm sitting here watching, rather enviously, Dunk City's Alico arena and the party like atmosphere of their large crowd. 15.8 Million in 2017 dollars.
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 9, 2017 1:16:48 GMT -5
I'm NOT NOT NOT going to make a comparison to their win and La Salle's run, and how money is going to get spent. But Villanova is capitalizing on their success in the biggest way. I hate them but they certainly handle their business well. I think Jay was signed through 2020? I wonder if he got an extension as the first order of business. But proportionally, Nova is doing with their success what LS should have done. In fact, if you look back at it, they really started this process with their 2009 Final 4 and getting a great practice facility. Talk about a school that embraces and maximizes the exposure of their most recognizable athletic program to have people infer that ALL of their programs (academic and athletic) are best in class. La Salle needs to have its message heard but they appear content to do it without men's basketball Villanova University's Finneran Pavilion Designs Unveiled
www.finneranpavilion.com/splash
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 9, 2017 6:46:19 GMT -5
The comprehensive renovation plan for the Pavilion will cost $60 million. The renovation, which will be funded entirely by donor support — will completely transform the existing Pavilion — creating a high-quality, game-day experience for Villanova student-athletes, coaches and fans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 7:20:24 GMT -5
So... more shiny things, less wooden bleachers, more places for people of means to get drunk near a basketball game, little that improves the gameday experience for people who actually show up for the basketball game. Excellent. If La Salle was doing this with TGA I'd be pissed, but thankfully that lipstick is going on Villanova's pig. A lot of the redesign is going to look hideously dated sooner than they think, and in 10 years or less they'll be calling it Finnegan's Folly. I get the feeling the renderings don't quite do it justice, but if they do then Villanova is blowing $60m on landscaping, lounges and lighting. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 9, 2017 7:39:16 GMT -5
Very 'get off my lawn.' I also couldn't disagree more.
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Mar 9, 2017 8:59:24 GMT -5
Looks cool to me. I would not be complaining if La Salle did that.
Also, we would ever make an unveiling video like that? I would like to think yes but can't recall seeing something like that for the bus school or science building. Maybe it wasn't appropriate for those structures.
Speaking of structures, is that apartment/dorm thing happening on 20th? That strip of land is opportunity to me since it's surrounded by the campus and scenic.
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Post by 1801olney on Mar 9, 2017 9:23:23 GMT -5
So... more places for people of means to get drunk near a basketball game I think you are underestimating how important this is to the vast majority of casual fans. There is nothing to do currently before games on campus now, besides those new pre-game receptions they just started having. Think of all the fans you never see at Gola that are at the New Deck before games. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 9:44:38 GMT -5
Very 'get off my lawn.' I also couldn't disagree more. A lot of Villanova people feel the same way. "Glorified high school gym 2.0 coming your way in 2018"It doesn't do anything to address the deficiencies of the Pavilion beyond concessions. It arguably does improve the gameday experience, but you could've done that for a lot less than $60m. Villanova's downright hostile to the gameday experience sometimes. The La Salle equivalent of something like this would be blowing several million dollars turning the swim complex into a donor & season ticket holder reception area without so much as considering adding seats behind the baskets. They would've needed to add like 500 seats to clear their season ticket wait list, but that didn't happen either. Just adding actual seatbacks would have been pretty cheap too, but that's also one of the bits most likely to change from the rendering. Sightlines are harder to fix, but that too was a punt - they'll remain exactly as they were. Also worth noting is that they haven't raised $60m yet. It's not as if the plans are devoid of elements I don't like, but as it stands I do not care for the package presented. Integrating the lighting into the structural supports of the roof canvas is a tasteful touch although it seems like it would be the first to go if the project started going over budget, and it never made sense to me that you needed to wander through a small concrete wasteland to get in. Making the entrance illuminated by natural light is also a solid move, and at night it's going to have a nice beacon-like feel that draws you in. On the whole though, once you get past the newness and the shininess of it all, it's the arena equivalent of stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops. So... more places for people of means to get drunk near a basketball game I think you are underestimating how important this is to the vast majority of casual fans. There is nothing to do currently before games on campus now, besides those new pre-game receptions they just started having. Think of all the fans you never see at Gola that are at the New Deck before games. I could write 500 words on this alone, but I'll keep it short: Those things are fine, but they can't be the only thing. This is a critique of Villanova's plans, not La Salle's, and as it stands the vast majority of casual fans will still have nothing to do in Radnor in 18 months time when it re-opens. It also depends on where the tickets are taken: If it's at the external doors, the little area between the arena and the entrance becomes an extension of the concourse. If it's at the interior just beyond that, it becomes an extension of campus and can accommodate far more people. |
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Post by brotherteliow on Mar 9, 2017 9:51:35 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Mar 9, 2017 9:59:58 GMT -5
I could write 500 words on this alone, but I'll keep it short: Those things are fine, but they can't be the only thing. How do you think Eagles or Phillies attendance would be affected if tailgating were banned and alcohol wasn't served in the immediate complex vicinity? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 10:27:19 GMT -5
I could write 500 words on this alone, but I'll keep it short: Those things are fine, but they can't be the only thing. How do you think Eagles or Phillies attendance would be affected if tailgating were banned and alcohol wasn't served in the immediate complex vicinity? Yes I agree, you need to be drunk to think paying to watch either team is a good idea right now. Villanova's winning right now and that papers over a lot of things, but the Phillies and the Eagles aren't and having alcohol wouldn't in and of themselves solve an attendance problem. Villanova's attendance problem, such as it is, is that season ticket holders don't show up half the time, and when they do it's clear they haven't been excited about anything in decades and they sure as hell aren't about to start now. How do you get those people to show up? Wine tastings? Range Rover test drives? Free investment portfolio consultations? The demand's still there, but the ability to meet it is lacking and will continue to be deficient $60m later. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 9, 2017 13:15:42 GMT -5
You get more people to show up by creating a more comprehensive event than "drive into north Philadelphia, try to park somewhere, walk up a couple flights of stairs and sit on these bleachers that face the other bleachers and then drive home".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 13:41:08 GMT -5
You get more people to show up by creating a more comprehensive event than "drive into north Philadelphia, try to park somewhere, walk up a couple flights of stairs and sit on these bleachers that face the other bleachers and then drive home". MisterD, I think the $10 all you can eat cash bar was an attempt toward correcting this, but personally I just can't do 4:30 PM call times coming from far away. If there were a postgame happy hour, it might be more useful to me. I have also lamented the situation where you couldn't get coffee and concessions at a cold weekend soccer doubleheader, but Aramark hosting the student union seems to have rectified that with more regular hours. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 9, 2017 14:57:36 GMT -5
Of we could schedule more Saturday night games 6, 7 or 8 PM that would likely help weekend game attendance. Weeknights are tough for most folks unless LS is somehow reasonably near your commute home.
Saturday night games allow the school to do more gameday-related activities like pregame parties and happy hours. I understand it that TV does have an impact, but anything not on TV makes no sense to me to play at 2:00 PM. Alums with kids are VERY busy on Saturdays generally, but a 6 PM game is usually more than doable and can make a a fun night out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 16:37:22 GMT -5
You get more people to show up by creating a more comprehensive event than "drive into north Philadelphia, try to park somewhere, walk up a couple flights of stairs and sit on these bleachers that face the other bleachers and then drive home". This is fine, but I was still addressing Villanova's problems. Villanova's problems are not La Salle's problems. They have hundreds of people who buy prime seats but then don't show up. Who the hell does that? That's going to continue and look really awkward on national television. A commentator on a game of theirs I caught earlier this year mentioned it, and it wasn't even Winter Break. La Salle can do all it wants to improve attendance by improving the game day experience, but it's helpful when that experience doesn't culminate in La Salle getting donkeypunched by Texas Southern et al. |
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Post by explorerentourage on Mar 10, 2017 18:08:20 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 14, 2017 11:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Mar 14, 2017 11:53:56 GMT -5
I can't say I'm angry, I'm just bummed. Right now, the school can't afford to fire G and they can't afford a new arena. I get it. I don't like it, but I understand why. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 14, 2017 12:08:02 GMT -5
So are we unable to fund at the A-10 level or they're just funding basketball over academics?
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Post by las71 on Mar 14, 2017 12:16:18 GMT -5
I wish the school would announce a capital campaign for a facility. I'm sure the concern would be that some would divert the funds from the annual giving to the capital campaign which would hurt the annual operating budget. Not sure the school couldn't somehow make it a condition that donations to the capital campaign must be "new" money over and above the donor's most recent gift to annual giving. It's so frustrating to see us fall behind A10 peers like Duquesne and Fordham.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:30:16 GMT -5
The Fordham "upgrade" is a joke and an embarrassment. $2.5 million dollars for a new floor and a couple other minor improvements. They're going to name the floor after their former AD who played a huge role in putting their program in the toilet. Their fanbase is infuriated and I don't blame them.
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Mar 14, 2017 16:47:10 GMT -5
The Fordham "upgrade" is a joke and an embarrassment. $2.5 million dollars for a new floor and a couple other minor improvements. They're going to name the floor after their former AD who played a huge role in putting their program in the toilet. Their fanbase is infuriated and I don't blame them. Why is the upgrade only $2.5 million (of which only $1.3 million has been donated)? I also wonder if it has anything to do with the fan base that is now "infuriated" doing little, if anything, to make a larger campaign viable. I honestly do not know, but I think it's a fair question. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2017 18:17:11 GMT -5
I have to be honest, Rose Hill sucks. I know it's old and probably would look cool if literally everything was removed so the stone walls were actually visible, but there's no feeling of history in there, other than just being old. There's no bathroom in the arena, you have to leave the arena, go down 2 flights of stairs into like the Student Union Building, past where you have to enter the game like with your ticket. There's no concession stand whatsoever, they just set up a table with like hot dogs and candy bars and a soda cooler, and only take cash: CYO level. In La Salle terms, its far more Gola than Palestra.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:45:53 GMT -5
I have to be honest, Rose Hill sucks. I know it's old and probably would look cool if literally everything was removed so the stone walls were actually visible, but there's no feeling of history in there, other than just being old. There's no bathroom in the arena, you have to leave the arena, go down 2 flights of stairs into like the Student Union Building, past where you have to enter the game like with your ticket. There's no concession stand whatsoever, they just set up a table with like hot dogs and candy bars and a soda cooler, and only take cash: CYO level. In La Salle terms, its far more Gola than Palestra. I always wonder about this. I've never personally been, but the arena photographs so well. It's obviously outdated, even in photographs, but it reminds me a lot of the Palestra. I've already mentally penciled in a trip next fall if La Salle plays up there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:53:43 GMT -5
The Fordham "upgrade" is a joke and an embarrassment. $2.5 million dollars for a new floor and a couple other minor improvements. They're going to name the floor after their former AD who played a huge role in putting their program in the toilet. Their fanbase is infuriated and I don't blame them. Why is the upgrade only $2.5 million (of which only $1.3 million has been donated)? I also wonder if it has anything to do with the fan base that is now "infuriated" doing little, if anything, to make a larger campaign viable. I honestly do not know, but I think it's a fair question. Fordham doesn't have the financial issues that La Salle has. They blindsided the fan base with this a few weeks ago. The $1.3 million raised was part of the silent phase. This is truly lipstick on a pig, and now they expect people to contribute the difference to something that won't really improve the facility and on top of that, will honor a guy who did a poor job as the AD for a long time. It's great when alums financially support their alma mater, but I wouldn't blame any Fordham alum if they chose not to open their wallets for this. |
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Post by calsufan on Mar 14, 2017 19:36:44 GMT -5
I have to be honest, Rose Hill sucks. I know it's old and probably would look cool if literally everything was removed so the stone walls were actually visible, but there's no feeling of history in there, other than just being old. There's no bathroom in the arena, you have to leave the arena, go down 2 flights of stairs into like the Student Union Building, past where you have to enter the game like with your ticket. There's no concession stand whatsoever, they just set up a table with like hot dogs and candy bars and a soda cooler, and only take cash: CYO level. In La Salle terms, its far more Gola than Palestra. No disagreement there, it does suck. I was there about 2 years ago. The outside of the building looks nice, but that's it. Overall, their gym is on a par with ours, but they do have seats behind the basket if I remember correctly.  |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2017 20:48:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it's still better than Gola but it honestly would be like if we never left the Wister building and just made some upgrades to it throughout the years. Sure it would be old, and technically "historic," but still not good in any regard.
That's not a perfect comparison I know. I love old buildings and history, especially as it relates to sports. I'm not complaining because there's no Sushi stand or Luxury Boxes. I'm saying it's just not a building with any charm really, even given the context of being from the 1930s
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