Basketball Arena Capacity

[MisterD]

Feb 6, 2017 14:43:28 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

That conclusion was implied maybe. Not to put words in his mouth But when lunatic says "wasted" I just take it he means b/c it's a sum of money to an outside consultant that could have been kept in house.

Doesn't that assume an inside committee also finds Giannini (or someone better)? Insular thinking should be our enemy and the regime change at the top should go a ways in proving that.

[thelasallelunatic]

Feb 6, 2017 14:43:28 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

That conclusion was implied maybe. Not to put words in his mouth But when lunatic says "wasted" I just take it he means b/c it's a sum of money to an outside consultant that could have been kept in house.

Yes, that's what I was saying... And G was a good hire at the time. I mean, the Neal/Cleaves fiasco happened June 24. Hahn wasn't fired until July if I'm not mistaken. Dunphy kept us in limbo basically the entire month of July, and G was hired in August. It was late in the game.

[thelasallelunatic]

Feb 6, 2017 14:48:30 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Feb 6, 2017 14:43:28 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

That conclusion was implied maybe. Not to put words in his mouth But when lunatic says "wasted" I just take it he means b/c it's a sum of money to an outside consultant that could have been kept in house.

Doesn't that assume an inside committee also finds Giannini (or someone better)? Insular thinking should be our enemy and the regime change at the top should go a ways in proving that.

No, because I don't think Bradshaw, Raftery, Legler, Dunphy (if he's out at Temple) were ever insular Yes guys. I don't think they were close to the program when Brennan was around. I think we lost our brightest basketball minds. All of these guys I just mentioned were part of a successful era at La Salle. They all went on to make basketball part of their profession. They weren't here for the fall of La Salle.

[MisterD]

Bradshaw, absolutely, given his position. Raftery ... sure, his input certainly can't hurt. Dunphy is currently the competition and likely has a pretty narrow view focusing on his conference. Legler does NBA. That's not the best committee you can put together unless you add the caveat "of La Salle insiders". I don't want the best La Salle tied coach and I don't want those picking the coach to be strictly a La Salle tied committee.

[MisterD]

Flipping it over, if Martelli retires tomorrow and you tell me St. Joseph's of PA is either going to (1) focus in-house for the next coach, (2) have an in-house committee looking wherever the choose or (3) hire outside consultants to add their in-house knowledge, which do you think I'd hope they avoid?

[a10champion15]

Feb 6, 2017 14:37:38 GMT -5 MisterD said:

I ... kinda come to the exact opposite conclusion there. Giannini was a good hire.

Giannini was a good hire at the time. He got the program to a stable point. I've stuck by our guy for a long time. Like yourself, I know I've been called a G apologist.

However, G was hired a decade ago when the league was at a lower level. The A10 is a much more attractive conference now. I said this a million times before but it can't be said enough.

At this point, we can do better than G type hire. 

I don't get why some La Salle alumni are so about the idea of bringing in Legler, Overton etc. Maybe I am one of the few Philly fans here but being loyal to your own hasn't gotten the Eagles or Phillies very far as of late. Just looking around the college landscape at some alumni hires, more often then not it doesn't go well. St Johns hiring Chris Mullin has been close to a disaster.

You have Bradshaw make the decision who most likely would hire an outsider and let the entire staff go. Complete reset, no half-ass nonsense.

There are plenty of great options out there but still first choice is probably Roy Sanchez (Tony Bennett's associate HC). I know I know their style play isn't relatively fun but it's a type of style that helps balance out the talent differential. 

[a10champion15]

Feb 6, 2017 15:04:31 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Flipping it over, if Martelli retires tomorrow and you tell me St. Joseph's of PA is either going to (1) focus in-house for the next coach, (2) have an in-house committee looking wherever the choose or (3) hire outside consultants to add their in-house knowledge, which do you think I'd hope they avoid?

Their AD DiJulia, who is god awful is loyal to his own. It also helps when you have a coaching staff like Martelli's.

Martelli's staff is probably part of the reason he has been as good as he has the past few years. He has to have one of the longest tenured staffs. La Salle doesn't have that.

I think Mark Bass has been with Martelli from the beginning. I know David Duda has been with SJU for a long time too. They probably both know one of them is lined up to get the job when he retires. They are quality assistants. David Duda name has been thrown around for a couple jobs in the past.

[MisterD]

Agree with almost all of what you said, although I'm not as sure about our outside appeal as seemingly most here.

[MisterD]

Feb 6, 2017 15:24:18 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

I think Mark Bass has been with Martelli from the beginning. I know David Duda has been with SJU for a long time too. They probably both know one of them is lined up to get the job when he retires. They are quality assistants. David Duda name has been thrown around for a couple jobs in the past.

I'd be all for them hiring a career assistant off their bench. It might work out great, but I don't think its their best option.

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

I don't get why some La Salle alumni are so about the idea of bringing in Legler, Overton etc. Maybe I am one of the few Philly fans here but being loyal to your own hasn't gotten the Eagles or Phillies very far as of late. Just looking around the college landscape at some alumni hires, more often then not it doesn't go well. St Johns hiring Chris Mullin has been close to a disaster.

It's the sentimental choice... every college has them. It's more apparent when the school hasn't had a sustained run of success in some time. John Thompson III is a good example at Georgetown.

Also, I think hiring Giannini in 2004 was a mistake regardless of the subsequent 13 years. George Washington did it right when they dumped Lonergan and decided to limp through this year with an interim from the bench. This way, they get to choose who they want in the spring instead of being pressured into a sub-optimal choice in the summer like La Salle.

[blueandgold]

Feb 6, 2017 14:06:36 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Feb 6, 2017 13:54:22 GMT -5 thelasallelunatic said:

I think he's talking about assistant coaches... but I think only one of them would get an interview

I'm not, I'm also including Legler (I mean ... c'mon) and Overton (whose resume wouldn't get a look *yet* if he weren't a grad).

Would you be annoyed if they even considered Dr. Panini?

[MisterD]

If presented with "La Salle hiring one of Billy Hahn's assistants to navigate the program out of the scandal would have been a _______", I may have chosen "deathknell" over "better option".

[belfieldhappyhour]

Feb 6, 2017 15:02:26 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Bradshaw, absolutely, given his position. Raftery ... sure, his input certainly can't hurt. Dunphy is currently the competition and likely has a pretty narrow view focusing on his conference. Legler does NBA. That's not the best committee you can put together unless you add the caveat "of La Salle insiders". I don't want the best La Salle tied coach and I don't want those picking the coach to be strictly a La Salle tied committee.

I get what you're saying in "Legler does NBA", but he also runs an AAU team in South Jersey. I'm sure he knows lots of coaches. Maybe he knows a diamond in the rough. Or if he somehow were to get the head job, knows a few guys that are good at finding talent and would be good hires as assistants.

[MisterD]

Sure, maybe, and solicit his input. But don't make him part of an exclusive committee of only "our people".

[luhoopsfan]

I think "who should replace G as coach" has supplanted "Facilities replacement" as the leading cause of threads to go off their rails. Evidence in a thread about facilities devolving into G's replacement.

Fascinating stuff

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2017 16:24:57 GMT -5 luhoopsfan said:

I think "who should replace G as coach" has supplanted "Facilities replacement" as the leading cause of threads to go off their rails. Evidence in a thread about facilities devolving into G's replacement.

Fascinating stuff

The reality is that it looks like we can't afford to do either.  So it's all just something to talk about between games.

[a10champion15]

Feb 6, 2017 16:55:42 GMT -5 @espresso1 said:

Feb 6, 2017 16:24:57 GMT -5 luhoopsfan said:

I think "who should replace G as coach" has supplanted "Facilities replacement" as the leading cause of threads to go off their rails. Evidence in a thread about facilities devolving into G's replacement.

Fascinating stuff

The reality is that it looks like we can't afford to do either.  So it's all just something to talk about between games.

Who really knows though. The arena talk is just talk but I believe there is traction and the possibility that G's time is ending whether it's after this season or next.

None of us know how many years G has left on his contract and how much exactly it is. I would think buying out a year of G's contract wouldn't break the bank. I would hope the school tries to see it as an investment as opposed to paying a debt. 

I know there is a small collection of a alumni that be willing to help.

If anyone saw the facebook live feed for the game...it was embarrassing. Half the thread was just "fire G"

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

Feb 6, 2017 14:37:38 GMT -5 MisterD said:

I ... kinda come to the exact opposite conclusion there. Giannini was a good hire.

Giannini was a good hire at the time. He got the program to a stable point. I've stuck by our guy for a long time. Like yourself, I know I've been called a G apologist.

However, G was hired a decade ago when the league was at a lower level. The A10 is a much more attractive conference now. I said this a million times before but it can't be said enough.

Losing Xavier and Temple for St Louis and Davidson (and VCU and George Mason) means the conference is two teams bigger, and the TV contract is better.

But how is the "conference better" than it was in 2005 and SJU had just come off its #1 rank regular season? Still the possibility of a two-bid selection staring us in the face right now, with a couple of NIT picks maybe.

[thelasallelunatic]

For the record, I haven't brought up any replacements for G, and I will not do so until season's end, depending on the outcome and trajectory. I'm simply stating that we have many great basketball minds that were disconnected from the program because of fallouts with Speedy's firing and the fact that Tom Brennan was an awkward flake not capable of a conversation.

I've said several times, and I will say it already, that I would involve Dunph only of Temple fires him, which may happen this year. If not, it would be a conflict of interest to involve him. I would put Legs on the committee because basketball is fluid and people move back and forth between levels constantly. See Stevens, Brad (from an A10 school) Donovan, Billy and Brown, Larry. There are examples of assistants as well, but you get the point. It's also why Coach K was coaching Team USA, made up entirely of NBA players. The community is a tight knit one, and ANY resource that I have, I will use. If Bob Hurley from St Anthony's were close to La Salle, I would use him also. (Just an example, don't take it literal)

I also would not disqualify, nor automatically hire, ANYBODY, due to their previous connection to the program or University. So I may give Brady a look, and I may take a look at Overton... not meaning I'd hire them, but I wouldn't not give them a look.

Again, this is only if a coaching change occurs and I'm not calling for one yet. In summation, I'd get all of our great minds available in a room, come up with a list of names, not limit myself to anybody or any background, check people's interests, all of that vetting process, and conduct some interviews, and I would use EVERY resource and person close to the University that I could.

[a10champion15]

Feb 6, 2017 18:31:03 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

Feb 6, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

Giannini was a good hire at the time. He got the program to a stable point. I've stuck by our guy for a long time. Like yourself, I know I've been called a G apologist.

However, G was hired a decade ago when the league was at a lower level. The A10 is a much more attractive conference now. I said this a million times before but it can't be said enough.

Losing Xavier and Temple for St Louis and Davidson (and VCU and George Mason) means the conference is two teams bigger, and the TV contract is better.

But how is the "conference better" than it was in 2005 and SJU had just come off its #1 rank regular season? Still the possibility of a two-bid selection staring us in the face right now, with a couple of NIT picks maybe.

Obviously, we all rather have Xavier and Temple still in the conference. However, the addition of VCU and the rise of Dayton have paid dividends for the league's image. Davidson was also a great decision.

The A10 is down this year. The league potentially only getting two teams in the tournament will be an outlier while during the mid 2000s it was the norm.

Over the past 5 seasons, the league has received 21 NCAA tournament bids, has 26 tourney wins and a record number of tv appearances.

From 2005-2009, the A10 only had 11 bids and 8 tourney wins. In 2005, the A10 was a 1 bid league and in 2006 they only received 2. That's not great.

[thelasallelunatic]

Feb 5, 2017 11:30:55 GMT -5 jellybean said:

Practical questions and looking for legit opinions.

1. What type of arena are we looking for? What will be the use? Basketball only or serving other athletic needs?

2. Where will it be built if a stand alone? Will it be a remodeling of Haymen and TGA?

3. From the poll, looks like the consensus is between 4000 and 6000. Split the difference and call it 5000. How much would be needed to complete project?

4. How will it be funded?

Back to the issue at hand, we will be talking about the coaching situation more in a month I presume.

I'd build a standalone, basketball only facility. Men's and Women's hoops, and the rest of the athletic programs can have Haymen at the choosing. You can put updated weight rooms and training facilities that all athletes can use also, but I don't want women's volleyball having practices and matches in there.

I'd build the faculty either at Wister and Belfield, Belfield and Lindley, Lindley and Ogontz, or at the Armory... definitely down by South Campus... less congested, closer to Route 1, and therefore 76.

You have John Glaser's 10 million. Announce a funding drive and if it takes 5 years, so be it. Try and secure naming rights for most of the funds.

****If La Salle ever got a liquor license, we could host concerts and other events like Temple does with Liacouras.

[DE-LSU84]

LaSalleLunatic, don't count on John Glazer's money. If memory serves me correctly, he put a clause in his will that said LaSalle had to break ground by a certain date, otherwise the money does not go to LaSalle.

[thelasallelunatic]

Feb 7, 2017 11:45:22 GMT -5 DE-LSU84 said:

LaSalleLunatic, don't count on John Glazer's money. If memory serves me correctly, he put a clause in his will that said LaSalle had to break ground by a certain date, otherwise the money does not go to LaSalle.

I know that La Salle had to match John's 10 million, with 10 of their own, but I don't know of any time restriction involved.

[mookie]

So what you're saying is that we could possibly miss out on 10M?

[DE-LSU84]

Like said, if memory serves me correctly.

[belfieldhappyhour]

Feb 7, 2017 11:06:01 GMT -5 thelasallelunatic said:

Feb 5, 2017 11:30:55 GMT -5 jellybean said:

Practical questions and looking for legit opinions.

1. What type of arena are we looking for? What will be the use? Basketball only or serving other athletic needs?

2. Where will it be built if a stand alone? Will it be a remodeling of Haymen and TGA?

3. From the poll, looks like the consensus is between 4000 and 6000. Split the difference and call it 5000. How much would be needed to complete project?

4. How will it be funded?

Back to the issue at hand, we will be talking about the coaching situation more in a month I presume.

I'd build a standalone, basketball only facility. Men's and Women's hoops, and the rest of the athletic programs can have Haymen at the choosing. You can put updated weight rooms and training facilities that all athletes can use also, but I don't want women's volleyball having practices and matches in there.

I'd build the faculty either at Wister and Belfield, Belfield and Lindley, Lindley and Ogontz, or at the Armory... definitely down by South Campus... less congested, closer to Route 1, and therefore 76.

You have John Glaser's 10 million. Announce a funding drive and if it takes 5 years, so be it. Try and secure naming rights for most of the funds.

****If La Salle ever got a liquor license, we could host concerts and other events like Temple does with Liacouras.

Lun, I'd be surprised if they didn't have one, but it's probably a special events type license that can only be used (roughly) 5-10 times a year. That's how they can serve booze at Homecoming and big events like that. I went to the Prep and I know they have one, but it can only be used a certain amount of times a year, and that number is under 10.

[Deleted]

Wheeling back around to the campus for a moment, this popped up as a comment on Inky's story about the Richmond game:

"Lasalle's days of competitive BB are over. No one wants to commit to that campus and that neighborhood."

Here's the thing: At least half of that is bullshit. In the federally mandated crime reporting statistics, La Salle's campus is as safe as Villanova's. Next year it will probably be statistically safer, since no one's been arrested for dealing LSD at La Salle. Twice.

This is what La Salle's up against. The previous administration was happy to just print those numbers and call it good, but the fact that this is still the conversation - La Salle! North Philadelphia! Crime! - is indicative of where the university is at in the public consciousness. As it relates to the physical campus, this is what I was broadly referring to. Building everything down to a price means that everyone's opinion follows accordingly.

[belfieldhappyhour]

Feb 11, 2017 20:43:59 GMT -5 @fjordexplorer said:

Wheeling back around to the campus for a moment, this popped up as a comment on Inky's story about the Richmond game:

"Lasalle's days of competitive BB are over. No one wants to commit to that campus and that neighborhood."

Here's the thing: At least half of that is bullshit. In the federally mandated crime reporting statistics, La Salle's campus is as safe as Villanova's. Next year it will probably be statistically safer, since no one's been arrested for dealing LSD at La Salle. Twice.

This is what La Salle's up against. The previous administration was happy to just print those numbers and call it good, but the fact that this is still the conversation - La Salle! North Philadelphia! Crime! - is indicative of where the university is at in the public consciousness. As it relates to the physical campus, this is what I was broadly referring to. Building everything down to a price means that everyone's opinion follows accordingly.

I get your point, but you have to remember, if you're standing at 20th and Olney and get robbed, technically you're not on school property. It's a city sidewalk, so that doesn't go in La Salle's crime stats. A guy got shot six times on 19th street last night, on the block just off Olney, and that wasn't 'on campus' either, so it doesn't count on the schools crime stats. My point being, some of those crime stats are skewed in favor of La Salle being safe.

[luhoopsfan]

Coming back to the game day experience, why can't we get something going pregame with food trucks or some heated tents out front with food at least on Saturdays? I wanted to grab lunch pregame and there was really nothing available or promoted. If you go with food trucks, it costs you nothing.

[MisterD]

Yeah, arguing campus safety versus Villanova feels ... disingenuous? I couldn't possibly make the argument that Villanovans are terrified to enter the city limits but then claim we're actually a safer school. Its not dangerous to be on our campus, but that comp is the whole "you can make the statistics say anything" to a T.