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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 25, 2016 12:21:46 GMT -5
This is it: Could be fine most of time-but when something goes wrong, its big time.I am not just reacting. As many know, I have practiced criminal defense for 35 years and seen it all.Also, we have a "prior record." When crap hit fan under Coach Hahn, I was in Criminal Justice Center every day as I usually am, and believe me we were a laughing stock. It was very unfair, but still, it was tough to hear.Lastly, there is a HUGE maturity difference between a 22/23 year old MAN and an 18 year old frosh female who is probably away from home for first time. They could even be 17-I was 17 for 3 months when I came on campus.That has other problems-Underage.Can u imagine? I would be happy to speak to a group of students who want this.Young people often see the upside of things but cannot understand the downside.Lawyers often urge jurors to consider common sense in their deliberations.hat should be the standard here.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 25, 2016 12:23:13 GMT -5
What just happened to my post-think it is important
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Post by Gnocchi on Feb 25, 2016 12:42:52 GMT -5
Don't make me regret sharing this, but I thought it was note-worthy since the University's direction and agenda keep creeping into daily conversations... And please keep the religion and political angle out of this, as much as possible - nobody comes here for that stuff: mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/hp/news_update&id=370053391Here's another thing that's looking like it has ended up on the President's desk: Gender-neutral housing. Some comments on the article: joe21686 Nonna1 3 hours ago To be fair LaSalle is the bottom of the barrel, so there's a good chance they weren't intelligent enough to get in anywhere else. Commonsense54 3 hours ago You might want to rethink your brilliant observation www.lasalle.edu/blog/20... ANGRY AL a few seconds ago No, you're thinking of Temple (13th grade) or St. Joe's when you're talking bottom-of-the-barrel. ANGRY AL steps up... |
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Post by SICguy84 on Feb 25, 2016 13:05:28 GMT -5
I guess Angry Al isn't all bad. Most of the commenting population of philly.com are bigots and morons.
I am glad the co-ed article didn't mention enrollment and how this is so obviously related to that issue! We'll leave conflating issues to little-read or respected sports media alumni....which we seem to have more than our fair share...
However, all those recent articles about layoffs and shortfalls - seemed to have created a dire image of the university. I broke my own rule and looked at SJU (of Penna.) following the putting out of TB to pasture. Same theme about how we are "circling the drain" and will no longer have a university (truth be told, If I could flush City Avenue down the toilet forever I sleep like a baby the rest of my natural days.) Negative articles are damaging and that is why I disagreed about the "soft" opening of Business school. I would rather have articles about the building as opposed to rather silly co-ed housing proposals.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2016 13:57:48 GMT -5
I'm against it 100%...college is about finding yourself, and becoming an adult, a man, or a woman. Part of going to college is to have smooth enough game to get a girl into your dorm room, apartment, or townhouse. As Joe F. said, friendships in college, particularly with the opposite sex, are very fluid, and can change with semesters, months, or in Joe F's case, even weeks. It's not about getting what you want. This will, not may, but will open a can of worms I'm not sure any of us want to talk about on a basketball messageboard. I'm not even talking about rape and sexual assault, I'm talking about Gary Neal/Mike Cleaves types of situations. Everyone is quick to point out they were booted for breaking University rules, not for rape/sexual assault, as they were aquitted on these charges. I'm not saying that basketball players will be involved in future rape scandals that will rock the school to its core, I'm saying that similar incidents will happen involving regular students if this thing gains traction.
I'm a lapse Catholic, I lived with my wife before marriage, and I get the fact that it is 2016, and that shit is common. However, for the University to officially sanction it, I just feel it is out of place at La Salle. Get a shore house with a group of girls in Sea Isle, get a place on Woodstock or Lambert, move off campus. I don't this this discussion should be entertained all all.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2016 14:00:29 GMT -5
or in Joe F's case, even weeks. Even that is gracious. Probably closer to days/hours. I knew some crazy girls. |
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Post by 23won on Feb 25, 2016 14:15:28 GMT -5
Let me understand this
1) School is in a lousy neighborhood (gernerally perceived as unsafe compared to many other alternatives)
2) School is a Catholic school and attracts a large % of its students from Catholic high schools
3) Have a student body that has larger percentage of females to males
4) Offer any gender housing as an option
Here's what can happen after 4 is approved
Parents with daughters looking at colleges make an easy preliminary NO assessment based on 1 and 4
High school counselors at Catholic schools downplay LSU as a "good" option due to 4
Female enrollment goes down
Overall enrollment goes down
Let's hope this is just a student poll.
Mme. President: What do you think of this concept?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2016 14:27:39 GMT -5
As a father of one daughter, with another one on the way, I don't approve of this change.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 25, 2016 14:39:19 GMT -5
or in Joe F's case, even weeks. Even that is gracious. Probably closer to days/hours. I knew some crazy girls. Especially on the track portion of Team Torpey.. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2016 14:39:26 GMT -5
I'm not necessarily against gender neutral housing, but hopefully they've done their homework on this. For example, what percentage of the student population has requested this? If it's 10%, fuggetaboutit! If it's say 30% or more then the next question I would ask is what's the split between female and male requestors? Does it match up with our general population split of female / male students or is it mainly horny, male 18-21 year olds? And the last question that comes to mind is, for those schools that have introduced gender neutral housing, have sexual assaults seen an uptick since the introduction of it? If all of those questions have been vetted (and I'm sure there are more questions than what I listed), then why not roll it out on a limited basis (a few dorms for example) and test it out? Obviously there would need to be a lot of education and coaching for the students who want to live in gender neutral housing, but I don't think it can be dismissed out of hand. I believe the article mentioned 14%...so there's your fuggetaboutit!!! I'm not liberal at all, but I just think it is a bad idea...Like I said, as a father of a daughter with one more on the way, I'm out if this happens. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 25, 2016 14:41:20 GMT -5
I don't support the school sanctioning this living scenario, however, there's a lot of things I don't sanction that do happen, I just have the right not to engage in them. Having said that, I could tell my child, the school may allow for you to live with girls/guys but you as my son/daughter are not permitted to do so. Yes, you are an adult and free to make your own decisions, but as an adult I hope you would respect my wishes as your parent and as someone who has more life experience to know when some scenarios pose a risk not worth taking.
Kudos to Al for stepping up to the philly.com trolls....and people say that THIS place is toxic?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2016 14:44:01 GMT -5
Even that is gracious. Probably closer to days/hours. I knew some crazy girls. Especially on the track portion of Team Torpey.. 100%. |
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Post by jellybean on Feb 25, 2016 15:18:14 GMT -5
This sounds like an awesome idea...... to every 18-22 year old guy. I would have been losing my mind if I was there now and heard the university was possibly striking down this idea that the students had come up with. Then I grew up and got some perspective on the world and the realities of what 18-22 year olds tend to do. They talk about how tons of other colleges are doing it, well maybe that explains why the rate of sexual assaults on campuses keep rising. As Joe said, unchecked hormones, excessive alcohol and coeds can be combustible with separate living quarters, now you're just putting it all in a pressure cooker. This morning while driving I heard La Salle alum Dom Giordano on his radio program do 15 minutes on this subject. Exactly what you said. What 18-22 old guy wouldn't vote for this. Some background, only 17% of La Salle students even voted in this poll. So apathy is not just for MBB on campus. Of those that voted 79.1% voted in favor on "gender neutral housing." I'm not a math or stat whiz but could 79% of 14% be all males in favor? One women called in and said that she would bet that more than 79% of the parents writing the check would not be in favor of this. Aw, the power of the check book. |
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Post by durenduren on Feb 25, 2016 15:45:50 GMT -5
Also, we have a "prior record." When crap hit fan under Coach Hahn, I was in Criminal Justice Center every day as I usually am, and believe me we were a laughing stock. It was very unfair, but still, it was tough to hear. Hate to say it, every school has a track record when it comes to sexual misconducts on campus, every school has skeletons in that closet - it comes with the territory. Not downplaying that some have bigger skeletons than others, though. I'm not a proponent for or against gender-neutral housing, but I do think it's foolish to say 'no' because one thing happened one time almost fifteen years ago. It easily may be a bad idea or an idea needing much refinement from its current state, but sacrificing a willingness to challenge the status quo because of a "prior record" under an entirely different regime nearly two decades ago because it involved VIP-status basketball players. I'd hope we'd look beyond that and not make decisions based on the poor rationale displayed in the past. It's that mindset, in an overall, that has kept La Salle lagging behind. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2016 15:52:14 GMT -5
or in Joe F's case, even weeks. Even that is gracious. Probably closer to days/hours. I knew some crazy girls. I hear you Joe...I had a girl (not an official girlfriend, but a girl) that was with me half of the 1st semester at La Salle during my freshman year. I lived in Neumann and we had coded locks rather than key locks. My code was 3-4...seriously, 3-4. Anyway, this girl was from the Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton area, and she practically lived in my dorm room. She slept over every night, used to wash and fold my clothes while I was at class/intramural football, etc. This girl would even help me with studying and school work. My roommates were hooking up with her friends (we had one of those big triples in Neumann), so it wasn't as annoying as it would've been had I been the only guy with a girl lurking around. So Christmas break comes, and we see each other maybe once early on into break. I come back to school, only to find out that she got back with her high school boyfriend. After that, I maybe talked to her like 6 times during the rest of our time at La Salle...even though we both lived in Neumann and ended up pledging frats and sororities, so we would see each other from time to time over Greek things. Now imagine if we had put in a request to live with each other starting in Spring semester of 2003...think that would've been a little wierd? |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2016 16:00:21 GMT -5
Also, we have a "prior record." When crap hit fan under Coach Hahn, I was in Criminal Justice Center every day as I usually am, and believe me we were a laughing stock. It was very unfair, but still, it was tough to hear. Hate to say it, every school has a track record when it comes to sexual misconducts on campus, every school has skeletons in that closet - it comes with the territory. Not downplaying that some have bigger skeletons than others, though. I'm not a proponent for or against gender-neutral housing, but I do think it's foolish to say 'no' because one thing happened one time almost fifteen years ago. It easily may be a bad idea or an idea needing much refinement from its current state, but sacrificing a willingness to challenge the status quo because of a "prior record" under an entirely different regime nearly two decades ago because it involved VIP-status basketball players. I'd hope we'd look beyond that and not make decisions based on the poor rationale displayed in the past. It's that mindset, in an overall, that has kept La Salle lagging behind. La Salle is one of the only schools around that guarantees four years of on campus housing for students...what exactly is wrong with the status quo of La Salle's housing situation? I agree with you that we lag behind in many areas, but student housing isn't one of them. We are a Catholic university. There's no getting around it. To have co-ed rooms or gender neutral housing, whatever we want to refer to it in 2016, I mean, not for nothing, but there's things you can't do at a religious school that you can do at a public school, or a school without a religious affiliation. It is why I have to take my shoes off while eating at an authentic Japanese restaurant, or wear a collared shirt while on a golf course...When in Rome... |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 25, 2016 16:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Feb 25, 2016 16:29:08 GMT -5
Hate to say it, every school has a track record when it comes to sexual misconducts on campus, every school has skeletons in that closet - it comes with the territory. Not downplaying that some have bigger skeletons than others, though. I'm not a proponent for or against gender-neutral housing, but I do think it's foolish to say 'no' because one thing happened one time almost fifteen years ago. It easily may be a bad idea or an idea needing much refinement from its current state, but sacrificing a willingness to challenge the status quo because of a "prior record" under an entirely different regime nearly two decades ago because it involved VIP-status basketball players. I'd hope we'd look beyond that and not make decisions based on the poor rationale displayed in the past. It's that mindset, in an overall, that has kept La Salle lagging behind. La Salle is one of the only schools around that guarantees four years of on campus housing for students...what exactly is wrong with the status quo of La Salle's housing situation? I agree with you that we lag behind in many areas, but student housing isn't one of them. We are a Catholic university. There's no getting around it. To have co-ed rooms or gender neutral housing, whatever we want to refer to it in 2016, I mean, not for nothing, but there's things you can't do at a religious school that you can do at a public school, or a school without a religious affiliation. It is why I have to take my shoes off while eating at an authentic Japanese restaurant, or wear a collared shirt while on a golf course...When in Rome... I'm sorry - I think you missed my point. My argument here isn't specifically about gender-neutral housing, but rather it's against the mindset behind "Well, one bad thing happened 15 years ago so let's avoid this all together." It's living in the past, or reverting back to the mindset of the past, that has gotten La Salle in a $15 bajillion operating budget deficit, that has made us look small-time in the region. We're so small-time it's not even funny - if you polled Philadelphians, they'd identify us more with Gwyndd Mercy College/Arcadia/Philly U than any of our DI counterparts, and even they're more 'modern' than us at times.
I could care less about the gender-neutral housing option, itself, to be frank. It doesn't impact me. Others said that this article was "bad publicity," which I totally disagree with. I get it, this place is becoming way more progressive than it ever was before, and understandably it's creating doubt, questioning, and uneasiness. But this progressiveness is out of necessity, it's needed to bring this university into the 21st century. I'm not sure how this article could ever really be coined as "negative" outside of the one dip-wad saying "a girl can decorate if I live with her" --- it's showing La Salle is willing to look at itself in a critical way, that La Salle isn't afraid to be potentially more inclusive, or that La Salle will go where no other Catholic college has gone before. That's healthy for the university morale, for enrollment, and for marketing. Again, I totally could care less about the morality of the gender-neutral housing option debate, but I do want to see La Salle do well. More specifically, I don't want La Salle to revert back to the mindset that because we historically did something this way, we should always do it that way, and that applies to a million more-critical topics than Billy Hahn scarring the university until the end of time because he and a bunch other people were afraid of the penalties of an incident of sexual misconduct - that isn't a track record - that was bad decisions by people who clearly couldn't be trusted to make the right decisions. Challenging the status quo is simply bringing all aspect of the university into a modern society, not necessarily throwing religious or moral guidelines out the window. But keep the four-year housing thing, that's some important stuff when you're in an area like La Salle. I don't even know if we're arguing separate points or the same thing at this point. Meh! |
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Post by jellybean on Feb 25, 2016 16:36:08 GMT -5
Wait til they find out tuition is going up $3-5K due to lack of passing state budget. |
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Post by calidelphia on Feb 25, 2016 16:45:00 GMT -5
two contradictory points. If it is two people requesting to live together in a townhouse as Juniors then who cares. On the other hand is it really necessary when you are in the same dorms? just walk up a flight of dang stairs.
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Post by La Salle 08 on Feb 25, 2016 17:13:01 GMT -5
In St Basil you can live right next door to the opposite sex. Ditto the townhouses. I think that is as far as it needs to go.
If you want to live with your significant other or just a friend of the opposite sex, you can move off campus.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 25, 2016 17:43:05 GMT -5
I know half of us are all shooting the shit here, laughing about ex-girlfriend war stories from our days at La Salle, and we're all envisioning when all these couples breakup after "falling in love," ruining this gender-neutral housing thing.
But doing so is overlooking that this is also for LGBQT La Salle community members, and our student population is likely mindful of this too - seems like we're all overlooking that part of the article.
And the first person to bring politics or morality into the fold here gets kicked in the nuts - no one (should) come here for that and you're not going to ruin this place for me.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2016 18:39:48 GMT -5
Building a new stadium with all those applications. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2016 18:42:20 GMT -5
I know half of us are all shooting the shit here, laughing about ex-girlfriend war stories from our days at La Salle, and we're all envisioning when all these couples breakup after "falling in love," ruining this gender-neutral housing thing. But doing so is overlooking that this is also for LGBQT La Salle community members, and our student population is likely mindful of this too - seems like we're all overlooking that part of the article. And the first person to bring politics or morality into the fold here gets kicked in the nuts - no one (should) come here for that and you're not going to ruin this place for me. This is a good argument and one that I overlooked. I actually have to rethink my concept of this. I think that there needs to be standards though. Not a checkbox for LGBQT but a full understanding about what everyone is agreeing to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 19:18:35 GMT -5
Let me understand this 1) School is in a lousy neighborhood (gernerally perceived as unsafe compared to many other alternatives) 2) School is a Catholic school and attracts a large % of its students from Catholic high schools 3) Have a student body that has larger percentage of females to males 4) Offer any gender housing as an option Here's what can happen after 4 is approved Parents with daughters looking at colleges make an easy preliminary NO assessment based on 1 and 4 High school counselors at Catholic schools downplay LSU as a "good" option due to 4 Female enrollment goes down Overall enrollment goes down Let's hope this is just a student poll. Mme. President: What do you think of this concept? The article was interesting. What it failed to include from my statement is that the administration of La Salle has not yet been presented with a proposal of any sort. This is an all-student matter at the moment. When we are presented with something formal, there will be a comment and a viewpoint. |
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Feb 25, 2016 19:29:23 GMT -5
I know half of us are all shooting the shit here, laughing about ex-girlfriend war stories from our days at La Salle, and we're all envisioning when all these couples breakup after "falling in love," ruining this gender-neutral housing thing. But doing so is overlooking that this is also for LGBQT La Salle community members, and our student population is likely mindful of this too - seems like we're all overlooking that part of the article. And the first person to bring politics or morality into the fold here gets kicked in the nuts - no one (should) come here for that and you're not going to ruin this place for me. This is a good argument and one that I overlooked. I actually have to rethink my concept of this. I think that there needs to be standards though. Not a checkbox for LGBQT but a full understanding about what everyone is agreeing to. If this policy were to apply to the St. Miguel, I think the parties involved would have a full understanding about what everybody is agreeing to since they've presumably known each other for several years. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 25, 2016 19:42:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I think for the townhouses, and maybe even apartments or quads in Basil it would make sense. But I don't see the need for it for regular 2-person dorm rooms. That said, I have no objection to it either.
As Durenduren noted, my initial thought was regarding the LGBT community. This is a bit of a delicate subject, and tough to articulate on a message board, but I know for example a gay male student may feel more comfortable around women/girls his age as friends, as opposed to other males (stereotype? sure, but there's often times truth to it).
So I think it's worth considering that aspect of it. I don't know if it's something that will get to the level of the school seriously considering it, but if it does, I hope (and trust) they will consider a lot of factors, and not just reflexively refuse it, due to the school's religious affiliation, or anecdotal evidence about why it's a bad idea, or what happened in a townhouse 12 years ago.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 25, 2016 19:45:26 GMT -5
President: What do you think of this concept? The article was interesting. What it failed to include from my statement is that the administration of La Salle has not yet been presented with a proposal of any sort. This is an all-student matter at the moment. When we are presented with something formal, there will be a comment and a viewpoint. From the source, doesn't get any better than that... /END THREAD, everyone go home. |
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Post by MisterD on Feb 25, 2016 19:46:20 GMT -5
WHATS NEXT??? ARE PEOPLE GONNA WANNA LIVE WITH DOGS??? ARE THEY GONNA WANNA LIVE WITH MORE THAN ONE PERSON AT THE SAME TIME??? SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!
(I'd be fine with it in the 3+ person units with a very well thought out moving policy that I would want zero part of developing.)
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Post by durenduren on Feb 25, 2016 19:49:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I think for the townhouses, and maybe even apartments or quads in Basil it would make sense. But I don't see the need for it for regular 2-person dorm rooms. That said, I have no objection to it either. As Durenduren noted, my initial thought was regarding the LGBT community. This is a bit of a delicate subject, and tough to articulate on a message board, but I know for example a gay male student may feel more comfortable around women/girls his age as friends, as opposed to other males (stereotype? sure, but there's often times truth to it). So I think it's worth considering that aspect of it. I don't know if it's something that will get to the level of the school seriously considering it, but if it does, I hope (and trust) they will consider a lot of factors, and not just reflexively refuse it, due to the school's religious affiliation, or anecdotal evidence about why it's a bad idea, or what happened in a townhouse 12 years ago. You said everything I was going for in 1500 less words - thanks lol. |
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