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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jul 8, 2015 15:04:16 GMT -5
Rokas just retweeted and favorited a tweet saying he signed his release papers to leave La Salle and play in Lithuania. Wtf The downside to recruiting Euros...just like drafting a Euro is a huge risk, recruiting them seems to be as well...
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Post by lwc4591 on Jul 8, 2015 15:12:44 GMT -5
Go watch video of Rokas U. blocking shots and D. Henry blocking shots and it is a world of difference. Rokas plays just above the rim and Henry plays way above the rim. Nothing against Rokas but he was a major project and probably is better playing overseas. Very thin bench next season and it wouldn't surprise me if there is another addition.
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Post by explorerman on Jul 8, 2015 15:33:24 GMT -5
Go watch video of Rokas U. blocking shots and D. Henry blocking shots and it is a world of difference. Rokas plays just above the rim and Henry plays way above the rim. Nothing against Rokas but he was a major project and probably is better playing overseas. Very thin bench next season and it wouldn't surprise me if there is another addition. Exactly this.. People were woefully overblowing this kid up... Not a big loss... Depth yes that is an issue..
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Post by scarletexplorer on Jul 8, 2015 15:39:41 GMT -5
Is there any shot at landing a grad transfer for this year? I'm not even talking about any of the top guys remaining on the market that were listed before, just a body who can give us something for the year.
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Post by calsufan on Jul 8, 2015 15:52:55 GMT -5
Pookie should call Austin Nichols after he finally obtains his release from Memphis (fat chance, I know).
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Post by explorerman on Jul 8, 2015 15:56:00 GMT -5
Maybe the back story is that both Shuler and Stukes performed better in practice than KL, and he saw the writing on the wall? Rothstein had good things to say about both of them. Also, in the 4 games oversees, no mention of anything regarding KL's performance, that I can recall. I understand the desire for more PT, but its not like he's projected to be a pro prospect. In any event, I'm disappointed in the decision, and I wish him well. Not saying that you're wrong, it makes sense...however, I was alluding to Explorerman stating that this has been in the works for a while now, and if there's a back story, now that Lewis is gone, just post it. Well now that it has happened, I can actually say something.. This has been in the works since the season ended.. And yes this is a cause and effect from what readily apparent towards the end of the season and that is Lewis is probably better served at another institution.. And yes, the G's mea culpa at the end of the season kept us Shuler... Naturally, a kid (especially a high touted kid out of HS like Shuler) isn't going to continue to ride the pine.. Especially, when you can make the strong argument that he is the one with the highest ceiling... But it was conveyed that he was jumping Lewis on the depth chart.. Thankfully this (Lewis leaving) logically ties everything together.. Now you can imagine how that would come off to Lewis at the end of year meetings.. Not really a place where you wanna be... Last year and you aren't going to play.. Naturally, it is hard to expand on this a few months ago when I am getting taken to shed by posters that don't know (seriously, like I have an interest in just making this stuff up).. Regardless, I, also, have heard that Harris redshirting is still in the cards... which makes the depth chart an interesting one to watch especially as we are going small...
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Post by sweat83 on Jul 8, 2015 16:10:14 GMT -5
Are OJ and Hank capable of giving us a solid 7 minutes a game? That's what its probably going to come down to.
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Post by mookie on Jul 8, 2015 16:40:58 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with that. I mean, if a kid is staying essentially 6 years in college then he really doesn't have a future in basketball AND what is the real incentive for staying? Unless they're able to finish their MBA during that time. Maybe in schools such as Drexel with accelerated MBA programs but those need to be started as freshmen, correct?? 2 free years of MBA better than 1 free year of MBA? Oh I agree that's a plus! But I'm not sure many players will take advantage of a potential free MBA. Of the kids that graduate and transfer for one year, how many finish their grad program? Are there numbers on that? I'm not against the 2 years of a free MBA...I'm just trying to look at it realistically and if they're spending too much time on something that only impacts a very small number.
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 8, 2015 17:23:00 GMT -5
Rokas just retweeted and favorited a tweet saying he signed his release papers to leave La Salle and play in Lithuania. Wtf With Steve Zack and Jerrell Wright having graduated, IMO this is really bad news for the upcoming season. Next season's team was already going to be thin before this with Khalid leaving. Who is going to rebound ? Does anyone know why Ulvydas is returning to Lithuania after spending last year at Mt. Zion Prep in Maryland in order to position himself to be offered a scholarship to play Div. I basketball here in the U.S. ? What is Jermaine Davis's status ? Is he still here at La Salle ?
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jul 8, 2015 17:48:01 GMT -5
Stukes, Schuler, Eugene, Washington, Price, Roberts, Brown, Harris (?) is your rotation. Hope the big guys are in shape and ready to run. 8 players + Lewis and Davis. If it's me, I LOVE Roberts off the bench as a spark plug. Start Stukes, Schuler, Price, Eugene and Washington. Instinct tells me it's Brown first off the bench w/ Washington? Maybe get Harris 10-15 mins a game.
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Post by mookie on Jul 8, 2015 17:48:07 GMT -5
Rokas just retweeted and favorited a tweet saying he signed his release papers to leave La Salle and play in Lithuania. Wtf With Steve Zack and Jerrell Wright having graduated, IMO this is really bad news for the upcoming season. Next season's team was already going to be thin before this with Khalid leaving. Who is going to rebound ? Does anyone know why Ulvydas is returning to Lithuania after spending last year at Mt. Zion Prep in Maryland in order to position himself to be offered a scholarship to play Div. I basketball here in the U.S. ? What is Jermaine Davis's status ? Is he still here at La Salle ?[/quote?] You're over blowing this imo. He was a project who was going to see very very limited time next year in a 4 guard line up. With Henry coming on board and eligible the following year there would be very limited minutes the following year as well.
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Post by mookie on Jul 8, 2015 17:53:07 GMT -5
Stukes, Schuler, Eugene, Washington, Price, Roberts, Brown, Harris (?) is your rotation. Hope the big guys are in shape and ready to run. 8 players + Lewis and Davis. If it's me, I LOVE Roberts off the bench as a spark plug. Start Stukes, Schuler, Price, Eugene and Washington. Instinct tells me it's Brown first off the bench w/ Washington? Maybe get Harris 10-15 mins a game. I like Shuler off the bench instead of Roberts for the simple reason that you already have 2 ball handlers in the starting lineup (stukes and price). If you put Shuler in there then you have no other ball handlers off the bench. Plus I think Shuler could be a great change of pace and instant offense kind of guy.
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Post by calidelphia on Jul 8, 2015 18:08:39 GMT -5
We got Washington and Yevgen. Both about the same size as Zack and Wright with different bodies. They will be sophomores just like Zack and Wright were in 12-13. That is more than we had in the sweet 16. We also have Rohan who I predict will make an unexpected impact this year. I like his game. Also, look at Dayton's team last year for a short bench. Look at Davidson's size last year. Shockingly we had the shortest roster in the A10 when we had our highest level of success. A10 is a guards conference and G has made it clear that there will be a more mobile, attacking offense that doesn't play out of the post so much. It is in line with rules changes as well as past trends of success. Most of us have called to go back to it for the past 2 years but Zack and Wright were our best players and we didn't have the guards for it. Khalid seems to have had gotten veteran treatment over shuler last year. Leaving was the right move for both if he continues his education or takes advantage of other career opportunities. Likewise, I assume Rokas is going to get paid in Lithuania to play. Getting a D1 offer may have helped create that opportunity. Increased competition from transfers, results in full practices etc. may have lead to the decision to let him go play pro overseas. My hope is that we see OJ put in decent minutes as he and Rohan are potentially our Senior captains. This is going to be a transitional year and will certainly be full of more surprises. Hang on tight.
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Post by mookie on Jul 8, 2015 18:24:00 GMT -5
We got Washington and Yevgen. Both about the same size as Zack and Wright with different bodies. They will be sophomores just like Zack and Wright were in 12-13. That is more than we had in the sweet 16. We also have Rohan who I predict will make an unexpected impact this year. I like his game. Also, look at Dayton's team last year for a short bench. Look at Davidson's size last year. Shockingly we had the shortest roster in the A10 when we had our highest level of success. A10 is a guards conference and G has made it clear that there will be a more mobile, attacking offense that doesn't play out of the post so much. It is in line with rules changes as well as past trends of success. Most of us have called to go back to it for the past 2 years but Zack and Wright were our best players and we didn't have the guards for it. Khalid seems to have had gotten veteran treatment over shuler last year. Leaving was the right move for both if he continues his education or takes advantage of other career opportunities. Likewise, I assume Rokas is going to get paid in Lithuania to play. Getting a D1 offer may have helped create that opportunity. Increased competition from transfers, results in full practices etc. may have lead to the decision to let him go play pro overseas. My hope is that we see OJ put in decent minutes as he and Rohan are potentially our Senior captains. This is going to be a transitional year and will certainly be full of more surprises. Hang on tight. Completely agree on the short bench notes. Some players need that extended time to get in a groove. Not sure what impact you're looking for from Brown though. He made an impact last year and was a very good player when called upon but I think he's the opposite of what I said earlier. Giving him extended minutes would expose his limitations and would take away from others. Let him get his 15 mins per game at multiple positions and take advantage of his energy...he'll be able to provide max effort while not being exposed in limited minutes. As for OJ...if he's getting anything more than 5 minutes per game this year means the guards are playing woefully under expectations to the point that they're proven to guys that should only play spot minutes on an average team or the guards are getting in foul trouble...
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 8, 2015 18:24:49 GMT -5
I don't like Dayton by any means but don't compare G to Archie. Archie did something amazing last season and is among the best coaches in the conference along with Mckillop. I would make the comparison to GW a couple years ago. Lost a number of players to injury, had a thin roster but still made the tournament. However, my expectations are not a tournament appearance.
I did say the same thing regarding La Salle. Guards are so much more important in this conference and we have good guards who are now more experienced. Price is in the running for A10 POY even though I think Bembry is really something special. Roberts is a solid guard, Stukes was a decent freshman and Shuler I am high on. If our guards improve and become more efficient and we don't take a huge step back defensively La Salle could be a decent team. I bet Rohan does contribute a little bit. He had some decent games but as I said before he isn't a player that plays any position very well. A player like Cline or Halil in Sahkniuk would do wonders for our offensive scheme. 12 and 7 per game is pushing it I think.
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Post by explorerman on Jul 8, 2015 20:40:27 GMT -5
We got Washington and Yevgen. Both about the same size as Zack and Wright with different bodies. They will be sophomores just like Zack and Wright were in 12-13. That is more than we had in the sweet 16. We also have Rohan who I predict will make an unexpected impact this year. I like his game. Also, look at Dayton's team last year for a short bench. Look at Davidson's size last year. Shockingly we had the shortest roster in the A10 when we had our highest level of success. A10 is a guards conference and G has made it clear that there will be a more mobile, attacking offense that doesn't play out of the post so much. It is in line with rules changes as well as past trends of success. Most of us have called to go back to it for the past 2 years but Zack and Wright were our best players and we didn't have the guards for it. Khalid seems to have had gotten veteran treatment over shuler last year. Leaving was the right move for both if he continues his education or takes advantage of other career opportunities. Likewise, I assume Rokas is going to get paid in Lithuania to play. Getting a D1 offer may have helped create that opportunity. Increased competition from transfers, results in full practices etc. may have lead to the decision to let him go play pro overseas. My hope is that we see OJ put in decent minutes as he and Rohan are potentially our Senior captains. This is going to be a transitional year and will certainly be full of more surprises. Hang on tight. This was absolutely the case and it was apparent to everyone inside the Hayman Center.. G owned up to his mistake and I will give him props for that.. He is loyal to his upperclassmen and history has shown that is sometimes to the detriment.. But he is correcting in this situation.. kudos to G
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 21:23:43 GMT -5
Unless there is a 5th year player out there who is going to be coming in for this year that we don't know about, I can't see how Harris can sit this year out. You are talking about a 7 player bench. Washington was foul prone last year. Roberts got into foul trouble from time to time. Plus, what if one or two players go down with injuries? You've got to have that 8th player available. If we need to start relying on Lewis and Davis for non mop-up minutes it will be a very long season. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to what the 8 guys are going to bring. Maybe I'm being too optimistic but think this team could make things interesting.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 8, 2015 21:47:01 GMT -5
Yea, Karl Harris has to play at this point even though as the team was practically 7 deep in the sweet sixteen year after Zack went down and the year after since Khalid was injured a lot of it.
2012-2013 6 man rotation with Rohan and Hunt getting garbage time
2013-2014 7 man rotation with Rohan and Jermaine getting garbage time
Be really nice if we can add a 5th year guy like Donivine Stewart or JP Kambola depending on what position you want depth at. Give us some type of valuable reserve. Could hurt more then it helps though.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jul 9, 2015 7:36:43 GMT -5
Stukes, Schuler, Eugene, Washington, Price, Roberts, Brown, Harris (?) is your rotation. Hope the big guys are in shape and ready to run. 8 players + Lewis and Davis. If it's me, I LOVE Roberts off the bench as a spark plug. Start Stukes, Schuler, Price, Eugene and Washington. Instinct tells me it's Brown first off the bench w/ Washington? Maybe get Harris 10-15 mins a game. I like Shuler off the bench instead of Roberts for the simple reason that you already have 2 ball handlers in the starting lineup (stukes and price). If you put Shuler in there then you have no other ball handlers off the bench. Plus I think Shuler could be a great change of pace and instant offense kind of guy. I debated that move myself, I went with Schuler to start because I think he is the kind of guy that can get you out of the gate quickly to start a game and get some good things going before the 1st media time out. I feel like G does his best coaching when we get out to a lead early. I do value your point that Shuler can do the same thing coming off the bench around the 14 minute mark of the 1st half and can totally change the pace of play. I love the thought of Price, Schuler and Roberts operating on the perimeter together. Shuler has great vision and with good spacing should be able to get to the rack at will, but can also stick the 3. Plus it would keep the defense from keying on Price and allow him to get 1-on-1 more often and dominate, and it leaves Roberts to sort of be the forgotten option for a guy who is quick cutting to the basket and has great length on the perimeter. Put those three with Washington and Eugene and you've got a "small" lineup but you might create some advantages on the perimeter to exploit with the 2 bigger guards
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Jul 9, 2015 8:11:56 GMT -5
Well now that it has happened, I can actually say something.. This has been in the works since the season ended..
...... I didn't say this before because I was too busy posting "Johnnie Shuler is transferring".
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 9, 2015 12:25:59 GMT -5
Lewis' first visit will be Seton Hall. according to Jon Rothstein.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 9, 2015 12:32:48 GMT -5
Didn't see that coming.
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Post by Kovy on Jul 9, 2015 21:23:04 GMT -5
When schools have a scholly to burn this time of year, anything is possible. At worst he's a good practice scout team player for a school.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 10, 2015 7:55:51 GMT -5
Lewis' first visit will be Seton Hall. according to Jon Rothstein. I will miss him, particularly his D. But if it is more playing time he is looking for he might be a better fit at a school like Rider.
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Post by coachd on Jul 10, 2015 8:40:41 GMT -5
Well now that it has happened, I can actually say something.. This has been in the works since the season ended.. ...... I didn't say this before because I was too busy posting "Johnnie Shuler is transferring". Kind of makes sense... Shuler threatens to leave and the coaches realize they need a new approach. Shuler has more upside and years remaining.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 8:50:01 GMT -5
Well now that it has happened, I can actually say something.. This has been in the works since the season ended.. ...... I didn't say this before because I was too busy posting "Johnnie Shuler is transferring". Kind of makes sense... Shuler threatens to leave and the coaches realize they need a new approach. Shuler has more upside and years remaining. Johnnie was never even close to transferring and never "threatened" to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 8:52:01 GMT -5
Lewis' first visit will be Seton Hall. according to Jon Rothstein. I will miss him, particularly his D. But if it is more playing time he is looking for he might be a better fit at a school like Rider. I thought Rider at first too, but they don't seem to be a great fit for him. Their starting backcourt (two of their top three scorers) and first backcourt sub all return.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 10, 2015 9:45:28 GMT -5
Kind of makes sense... Shuler threatens to leave and the coaches realize they need a new approach. Shuler has more upside and years remaining. Johnnie was never even close to transferring and never "threatened" to leave. Ah, the beauty of no gap in between "hypothesis" and "stating as fact".
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Post by MisterD on Jul 10, 2015 9:48:10 GMT -5
Seton Hall could actually be a great spot given the complete roster turmoil there. I have no idea how much truth there is to it, but the talk around here was last season turned into "team versus Whitehead" and the coach went with Whitehead. Weird that a transferring senior would legitimately have more playing time waiting for him in the Big East than at La Salle, but here we are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 11:02:13 GMT -5
Johnnie was never even close to transferring and never "threatened" to leave. Ah, the beauty of no gap in between "hypothesis" and "stating as fact". I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. This was told to me first hand by a member of the coaching staff.
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