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Post by calsufan on Mar 27, 2015 10:54:38 GMT -5
If and this is a big IF, ND gets hot, they have a chance to upset Kentucky. I like the way they've been playing of late.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 27, 2015 11:05:56 GMT -5
If and this is a big IF, ND gets hot, they have a chance to upset Kentucky. I like the way they've been playing of late. St. Joe's Prep boy in starting 5 so they'll likely come up small. (I'm rooting for them though
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 27, 2015 11:08:59 GMT -5
I disagree with all of you guys completely. I think the Sixers or Knicks would roll UK in a 7 game series, but to say Kentucky couldn't win 1 or 2 games out of 10 is simply untrue. The median age for the Sixers is what, 22? They are basically an experienced college team. If you don't think Willie Cauley Stein or Towns can't hang with Nerlens Noel, you're nuts. You don't think the Harrison twins or Booker can play in the NBA at 6'6, you're nuts.
Now I know it depends on playing with a 24 second clock vs. a 30 second clock, or 40 minutes vs 48 minutes, but to act like the Sixers or Knicks would just run over UK like they were WVU is just short sighted...it's not going to be a 25 point blowout.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 27, 2015 11:17:28 GMT -5
I just looked through the entire Sixers roster, besides Mbah a Moute and Jason Richardson, the Sixers roster is completely under the age of 25. I think Mbah a Moute could do whatever he wanted to vs. Kentucky, and Richardson is an older guard, so who knows...but other than that, it would be interesting.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 27, 2015 11:26:34 GMT -5
The one Harrison twin is shooting under 40% from the floor. That would get even worse when he's got Canaan trying to pick his pocket or Jerami Grant switching on him.
And those dudes can't hang with Nerlens right now. Nerlens had an off-season to get his foot healed up and change his body from being an athletic teenager into a man. Noel's rapidly becoming a defensive force and can lock down Kenneth Faried, who lit up in the World Cup.
The Sixers are legitimately a solid defensive team already by any advanced metric. They struggle offensively. But Kentucky doesn't have the experience or athleticism to begin to keep stop a NBA veteran like Jason Richardson.
Refereeing in the NBA is also so much tighter. Their bigs will get in immediate foul trouble.
No one on this Kentucky team is as good as Anthony Davis was. And 19-year-old NBA rookie AD was barely holding his own. And he's about a year or two away from being the best basketball player alive.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 27, 2015 11:29:04 GMT -5
It's a moot point, tough to argue since it'll never happen. But Kentucky has what, as best 4 or 5 NBA players? The Knicks and Sixers have 12.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 27, 2015 11:37:05 GMT -5
Lunatic, list out your best ever college teams then look at what happened when they were pros. Especially as rookies, pretending any school has put 5 guys into the NBA at the same time. The Fab 5 produced three actual NBA players. The great Duke team, Hill was still 2 years from going pro when Laettner did and Hurley was a questionable NBA point even before the accident. UNLV was awesome and Stacey Augmon would be your third best player, assuming you have Greg Anthony as your second.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 27, 2015 11:38:55 GMT -5
It's a moot point, tough to argue since it'll never happen. But Kentucky has what, as best 4 or 5 NBA players? The Knicks and Sixers have 12. Probably more. I think this is why Kentucky works for the argument, they don't have 2-3 great players but almost a full roster of guys who will eventually be in the league or get looks. The problem is they're young as hell and their backcourt probably never holds up. A more interesting debate, for me atleast, is what if you kept this team together. Would they ever atleast be competitive. Or, differently, what if you take every NBA team's frontcourt, add Kentucky's, and somehow give them all the exact same backcourt. That one might maybe be competitive now. Maybe.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 27, 2015 11:42:33 GMT -5
If and this is a big IF, ND gets hot, they have a chance to upset Kentucky. I like the way they've been playing of late. St. Joe's Prep boy in starting 5 so they'll likely come up small. (I'm rooting for them though Watch it, Joe!!! There are a few Preppers, like myself, on this board.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 27, 2015 11:48:41 GMT -5
I think they have 9 or 10 NBA players, not guys that are leaving next year, but on the roster...I think the 5 best college teams I've seen are the 1990 UNLV team, the 2001 Duke team, the 06-07 Florida team, the 08-09 UNC team, and this year's Kentucky team. I'm not saying Kentucky is better than the Knicks or the Sixers, I'm saying they could beat them in a 1 game scenario. I'm saying Covington is a rookie from Tennessee State, Canaan is a rookie out of Murray State. Most of these guys were undrafted free agents out of college, in their first or second year out of college. It wouldn't be as clear cut a victory as you guys think...that's all I'm saying. ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/could-kentucky-beat-an-nba-team-playoffs-undefeated-ncaa-tournament
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Post by MisterD on Mar 27, 2015 12:11:42 GMT -5
But isn't a bad Knicks team still kind of a college all-star team that has the benefit of being 4+ years older than Kentucky?
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Post by MisterD on Mar 27, 2015 12:14:06 GMT -5
Or maybe this is a better way of saying it: Wouldn't Isaiah Canaan now, let alone his senior year, be Kentucky's starting PG if dropped on the roster?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 27, 2015 12:35:49 GMT -5
20th, the real NBA season begins in about 3 weeks, before then, it's meh...
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 27, 2015 12:35:56 GMT -5
Or maybe this is a better way of saying it: Wouldn't Isaiah Canaan now, let alone his senior year, be Kentucky's starting PG if dropped on the roster? Yeah. In a heartbeat. Canaan was getting minutes on a Houston team that has a shot at winning the NBA championship. He's got more range than anyone on Kentucky, a better first step, and also a playmaker I think Ish Smith right now is better than anyone on Kentucky's perimeter, too. Look at how many times Kentucky almost got taken by some team like Georgia this season. I also think Langston Galloway would definitely make Kentucky's roster. He doesn't have the pedigree but he's clearly a NBA-level player.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 27, 2015 12:41:02 GMT -5
Right. Conversely, drop Devin Booker on an NBA roster right now and tell me he's getting regular run.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 27, 2015 20:47:33 GMT -5
Well fellas, I think think Gonzaga gets over the hump and finally gets to a Final 4 this year... And the way their matchups line up, I think they will be playing for a National title, as I don't think anybody on their side of the bracket can beat them...
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 27, 2015 20:52:15 GMT -5
Waiting for the rest of the Elite 8 to shape out tonight, but will definitely be rooting for Gonzaga as long as they're in it.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 27, 2015 20:57:20 GMT -5
I feel like this will end up unanimous.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2015 9:38:30 GMT -5
The one Harrison twin is shooting under 40% from the floor. That would get even worse when he's got Canaan trying to pick his pocket or Jerami Grant switching on him. And those dudes can't hang with Nerlens right now. Nerlens had an off-season to get his foot healed up and change his body from being an athletic teenager into a man. Noel's rapidly becoming a defensive force and can lock down Kenneth Faried, who lit up in the World Cup. The Sixers are legitimately a solid defensive team already by any advanced metric. They struggle offensively. But Kentucky doesn't have the experience or athleticism to begin to keep stop a NBA veteran like Jason Richardson. Refereeing in the NBA is also so much tighter. Their bigs will get in immediate foul trouble. No one on this Kentucky team is as good as Anthony Davis was. And 19-year-old NBA rookie AD was barely holding his own. And he's about a year or two away from being the best basketball player alive. Watching the final seconds of the Duke-Utah game, 20th, I realized you are right about how much more the refs let the guys get away with in college. It was ridiculous that a held ball/foul wasn't whistled with about 5-6 seconds left. However, if you breathe on LeBron, it's a foul, and he gets away with everything. But I do agree that college basketball officiating has to be "standardized." Lastly, Langston Galloway would not start at Kentucky
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2015 9:38:52 GMT -5
Do the Irish have a real chance to win today???
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Post by calsufan on Mar 28, 2015 16:50:52 GMT -5
Do the Irish have a real chance to win today??? I think they have a shot if they can get hot from outside. If they're cold from outside, they're toast.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 28, 2015 17:09:30 GMT -5
I find myself rooting for Kentucky. Is that weird or just standard contrarianism?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2015 17:22:32 GMT -5
I think you're just wanting to see something you've never seen before in an undefeated team, Mr. D...I have to root for the Irish today.
Right now, I'm watching Wisconsin get out on a roll on Arizona, I hope this game isn't a blowout...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 18:02:53 GMT -5
Ho Hum who cares go Gonzaga
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2015 18:33:34 GMT -5
Ho Hum who cares go Gonzaga Nah, I watch all basketball... Even the big schools. I can't stand Kaminsky...reminds me of a whiner like JJ Redick or Greg Paulus...
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2015 19:32:29 GMT -5
Why doesn't Sean Miller foul down 5 with 50 seconds to play.... Deckard hit a dagger 3 as the shot clock expired, but if you foul there, you lengthen the game, and give yourself a chance. Even if you get a stop, you are still down 5, with 15 seconds to plat, not a good situation. Just a boneheaded move. Maybe the team had a brain fart.
I think Kentucky will beat Wisconsin by 20.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 28, 2015 19:50:04 GMT -5
I would put a light bet on Irish tonight to cover the 11 point spread.
If the UK Cats get by the Irish, I would make them 5 pt favorites over Badgers but I think the line will be pushed to 8. Those UK high rollers will push the line higher.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2015 19:57:05 GMT -5
This Kentucky-ND game feels like Rocky-Drago in Rocky IV...Kentucky is definitely the Russian.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 28, 2015 19:57:38 GMT -5
Why doesn't Sean Miller foul down 5 with 50 seconds to play.I think Kentucky will beat Wisconsin by 20. I thought this too, but assume they hit both. It's now a 3-possession game. Double bonus, great shooting team...you play for the miss and then hit a 3, then foul. Dekker made sure it didn't matter. Wisco won't lose if they shoot 12-18 from deep. Against anyone.
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 28, 2015 20:15:50 GMT -5
Notre Dame deserves to be winning this game right now yet they are down by 2.
So pissed off at this officiating already.
Just because Kentucky is bigger doesn't mean that every block they make is clean and they don't go over the back.
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