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Post by explorer88 on Apr 11, 2013 20:22:52 GMT -5
Jerry Carino at NJ Hoops Haven is reporting G and Eddie Jordan are now the focal point of Rutgers.
Not sure how reliable his sources are but just hearing that is nerve-wracking.
Can't wait till this is all over. smh.
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Post by mikesmd77 on Apr 11, 2013 20:27:07 GMT -5
G extension press release would be nice to hear any second now...
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Post by bummy on Apr 11, 2013 20:27:35 GMT -5
Jerry Carino at NJ Hoops Haven is reporting G and Eddie Jordan are now the focal point of Rutgers. Not sure how reliable his sources are but just hearing that is nerve-wracking. Can't wait till this is all over. smh. Why nerve racking G is entitled to make some money, God knows La Salle will never pay him I wish him the best and I am happy for him This will be his last shot at getting out of 20th & Olney
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Post by explorerman on Apr 11, 2013 20:34:49 GMT -5
Andy Katz or Jerry Carino?? Hmmmmm
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 11, 2013 20:37:12 GMT -5
Jerry Carino at NJ Hoops Haven is reporting G and Eddie Jordan are now the focal point of Rutgers. Not sure how reliable his sources are but just hearing that is nerve-wracking. Can't wait till this is all over. smh. Why nerve racking G is entitled to make some money, God knows La Salle will never pay him I wish him the best and I am happy for him This will be his last shot at getting out of 20th & Olney Troll?
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Post by mookie on Apr 11, 2013 20:48:50 GMT -5
Why nerve racking G is entitled to make some money, God knows La Salle will never pay him I wish him the best and I am happy for him This will be his last shot at getting out of 20th & Olney Troll? Agreed...being a troll Eddie Jordan is a former NBA head coach who is known somewhat for being a disciplinarian...and is a Rutgers alum. Hopefully, he's their first choice and they're working on him. Problem is, he already turned down Rutgers before since he wanted to stay in the NBA. Who'da thought I'd be saying we need G...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 20:55:43 GMT -5
Andy Katz or Jerry Carino?? Hmmmmm Unfortunately, when it comes to Rutgers basketball, Carino is 100 times better a source of info than Katz is. BTW, Katz may be one of the most overrated college basketball reporters out there.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Apr 11, 2013 21:12:14 GMT -5
G does not need another program with problems. Too, he could have a great team next year which will only magnify his profile.Moreover, LSU knows what it has;has seen the excitement and while we cannot match what most State schools could afford, LSU could still pay him a nice salary. Rutgers is a dead end.He could go to a regional final-or a Final Four here-I think its possible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 21:27:42 GMT -5
Why nerve racking G is entitled to make some money, God knows La Salle will never pay him I wish him the best and I am happy for him This will be his last shot at getting out of 20th & Olney Troll? Yes, and the worst kind. He trashed G continuously during the two seasons that were ruined by injuries and players egos. Now he wants the best for him. Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 21:40:02 GMT -5
G does not need another program with problems. Too, he could have a great team next year which will only magnify his profile.Moreover, LSU knows what it has;has seen the excitement and while we cannot match what most State schools could afford, LSU could still pay him a nice salary. Rutgers is a dead end.He could go to a regional final-or a Final Four here-I think its possible. However, if Rutgers is looking to double my salary? I'd probably leave as well if LaSalle isn't willing to close the gap signficantly. By that I mean, if I'm making 350K, Rutgers offers 900K...I'd expect for LaSalle to at least be willing to go to 725K to consider staying. The reason for only 725K? If I land Bond and/or Christmas (along with Stukes), I have a strong enough class that I should be able to make the NCAAs 2-3 consecutive years (given the departures of several of the top programs) which would further strengthen my value AND get a better offer from a more stable program (likely BCS program). G made $426k in 2011 which was the last year of his previous contract. This past year was the second year of a three year extension, so I have to believe he made a base salary this year of at least $450k. I highly doubt Rutgers will be offering $900k, even with the Big 10 money coming in after next season. They still have to pay both Rice and Pernetti over $1 million each. Unless some big donors buck up, I don't see it happening. People need to forget about Christmas. He is not transferring here or anywhere. But you can be sure that if G sticks around, he will fill those last two scholarships with two pretty good players.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 11, 2013 21:44:01 GMT -5
Yes, and the worst kind. He trashed G continuously during the two seasons that were ruined by injuries and players egos. Now he wants the best for him. Pathetic. Is this the former Bulldog of Bergen loser or another troll? Regardless, he's a troll. Toss him.
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Post by mookie on Apr 11, 2013 21:58:42 GMT -5
However, if Rutgers is looking to double my salary? I'd probably leave as well if LaSalle isn't willing to close the gap signficantly. By that I mean, if I'm making 350K, Rutgers offers 900K...I'd expect for LaSalle to at least be willing to go to 725K to consider staying. The reason for only 725K? If I land Bond and/or Christmas (along with Stukes), I have a strong enough class that I should be able to make the NCAAs 2-3 consecutive years (given the departures of several of the top programs) which would further strengthen my value AND get a better offer from a more stable program (likely BCS program). G made $426k in 2011 which was the last year of his previous contract. This past year was the second year of a three year extension, so I have to believe he made a base salary this year of at least $450k. I highly doubt Rutgers will be offering $900k, even with the Big 10 money coming in after next season. They still have to pay both Rice and Pernetti over $1 million each. Unless some big donors buck up, I don't see it happening. People need to forget about Christmas. He is not transferring here or anywhere. But you can be sure that if G sticks around, he will fill those last two scholarships with two pretty good players. You may be right about Rutgers possibly not wanting to spend the money...but I operate with the mindset that if the funds are there then anything can happen. Another poster mentioned to me that even with the Big10 money, Rutgers doesn't have much money for athletics and he may be right. I don't know their financials so I can't speak on it. I would just hate to see G leave and we're then left scrambling for a coach. I saw a post in another thread the Christmas transfer talk was bad info (was that you??) and at that point I deleted my post. I didn't get my hopes up on him. I was actually more hopeful for Bond.
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Post by lasalle89 on Apr 11, 2013 22:53:25 GMT -5
G wants to stay at LaSalle. LaSalle wants G to stay. They will work it out. This Rutgers mess could not have come at a worse time for these negotiations though. If G is that good then he will return to LaSalle and take us back to the Sweet 16 and maybe beyond. He will then be even more attractive. This will not be his only chance for a bigger job. Wining solves everything. G worked hard to get us good. We will reward him and he will keep us good. First an announcement of his extension, then the announcement of signings of some players. Then we get really excited for next year!!!!
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Post by bernards on Apr 12, 2013 4:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by glorydays on Apr 12, 2013 6:00:07 GMT -5
Poor Uncle Junior got dementia and was no longer useful to the family.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 12, 2013 6:01:04 GMT -5
The Christmas transfer has been out there for three weeks that I saw. Until a school announces it transfer talk is always conjecture.
Bond is a totally different story since it was announced. I have heard Temple then La Salle then back to Temple. So who knows.
I would rather just finish the G situation than worry about spring recruiting. What a difference a year makes.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 12, 2013 6:15:32 GMT -5
I have been trying to come up with a situation that was similar to Rutgers' current one. Kentucky in 1989 had Eddie Sutton get tossed after there was proof that the a recruit was paid off to attend the University. The new UK pres fired everybody. The first thing he did was to hire C. M. Newton as AD. Newton then hired Pitino. It took 6-7 years before UK won the national title.
I think Rutgers may be beyond repair. They may need a new president and then an new AD....before they hire a Bball coach.
At UK basketball was god. At Rutgers basketball may not be relevant.
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Post by 23won on Apr 12, 2013 7:36:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Rutgers and Maryland drove up huge financial deficits by trying to elevate their football programs. The Big 10 offered a financial lifeline to each to get out of their mess.
When you factor in that, plus buyouts they will have to pay (because they already concluded through an investigation that they couldn't avoid it through termination before the press covered it), there's not going to be a lot of extra money for new hires. 700K? 800K? Maybe. More - unlikely?
So do you give up a senior season with your best recruiting class who could take you into the Final 4 to get stuck in a 7 year turnaround cesspool at Rutgers, where you have to deal with a constant stream of
- negative media attention - administrative turmoil, where the Prez is on the hotseat a la PSU's Spanier and the ex-AD is throwing bodies under the bus - political turmoil. where the frickin governor is poking his nose into the situation in a big way - player defections and decommits from a sub .500 team - pressure from playing in a far more competitive conference - headaches from having facilities that are so far worse than the average Big 10 schools that your chance of getting a top 150 player to compete in the Big 10 becomes a joke.
Sounds like a dream job that only the crazy media minds would dream up.
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Post by coqui900 on Apr 12, 2013 8:33:32 GMT -5
Also to add to that:
- Job security for life at La Salle. There is no doubt in my mind that G bought himself 15 years with that Sweet 16 run. Going to the Sweet 16 completely reinvented the school.
- The A-10 defections make it easier for us to get to the dance. There's the downside to this, naturally. But the conference will at least be on par with something like the WCC which gets 2-3 teams per year. That's a bit different because of Gonzaga (although VCU could end up as a Gonzaga-type program) but the A-10 is far from finished as a conference.
- Temple in that new conference is going to really help us. Who the hell will want to travel to Houston for games? (That might help us in every sport, actually.)
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Apr 12, 2013 8:35:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Rutgers and Maryland drove up huge financial deficits by trying to elevate their football programs. The Big 10 offered a financial lifeline to each to get out of their mess. When you factor in that, plus buyouts they will have to pay (because they already concluded through an investigation that they couldn't avoid it through termination before the press covered it), there's not going to be a lot of extra money for new hires. 700K? 800K? Maybe. More - unlikely? So do you give up a senior season with your best recruiting class who could take you into the Final 4 to get stuck in a 7 year turnaround cesspool at Rutgers, where you have to deal with a constant stream of - negative media attention - administrative turmoil, where the Prez is on the hotseat a la PSU's Spanier and the ex-AD is throwing bodies under the bus - political turmoil. where the frickin governor is poking his nose into the situation in a big way - player defections and decommits from a sub .500 team - pressure from playing in a far more competitive conference - headaches from having facilities that are so far worse than the average Big 10 schools that your chance of getting a top 150 player to compete in the Big 10 becomes a joke. Sounds like a dream job that only the crazy media minds would dream up. Your appraisal here is music to my ears. Hope coach G finds it the same way. It looks like we may not have to wait too long with this thing. www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2013/04/rutgers_mens_basketball_coachi.html
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 12, 2013 8:40:18 GMT -5
Also to add to that: - Job security for life at La Salle. There is no doubt in my mind that G bought himself 15 years with that Sweet 16 run. Going to the Sweet 16 completely reinvented the school. 15 years? No way. No security for life either. No one appreciates what G accomplished considering what the obstacles he overcame more than I do but that in no way gives him a free ride. That is Speedy-like and just not acceptable.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 12, 2013 8:51:21 GMT -5
The Rutgers fans are lukewarm to G and the players want Cox named coach. He probably stops a mass exodus but he is tied to close to the scandal to get the job IMO. He may have done nothing wrong but much like what happened at Penn State you cannot have the head coach come from within when something like this happens.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 12, 2013 9:05:39 GMT -5
I really don't think you can reasonably expect G to pass up MOST jobs in the "Big 6" conferences. However, Rutgers is one I don't think he'll want to use his chance on, especially not this year. I think he knows one more good year at La Salle (which by all accounts should be next year) and he can get a much better job than Rutgers, at which point we'll have to accept the fact that there's no objective reason to stay at La Salle instead of going to a decent job in a great conference for a lot more money.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 12, 2013 9:06:44 GMT -5
And you guys should chill a little with the Final 4 stuff. This year was a phenomenal, remarkable run, but even getting back to the Sweet 16 in the near future is very unlikely.
The goal next year is the tournament, and you see what happens from there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 9:08:56 GMT -5
That metro rag is reporting today that Hurley turned down 5 yrs for 5 mil at Rutgers to stay at Rhode Island.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 12, 2013 9:10:43 GMT -5
And you guys should chill a little with the Final 4 stuff. This year was a phenomenal, remarkable run, but even getting back to the Sweet 16 in the near future is very unlikely. The goal next year is the tournament, and you see what happens from there. Nice piece of analysis.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Apr 12, 2013 9:11:32 GMT -5
Rutgers was offering "Slightly more than $700k" for the position and not all of it was guaranteed. Doc has said one of several requirements to move would be that his salary would have to more than double. if he made $450k last year they would have to offer at least $900k to double his salary. Add to the fact I'm sure he would want some sort of premium to take over that huge mess and they would probably have to offer him $1MM annually to get him to seriously consider.
La Salle will probably up his salary to $600, maybe $650/year, so in reality it would be $300k more per year to take over a huge rebuilding project or stay put and, for lack of a better term, face a lot less challenges at La Salle and keep winning.
I will stop just short of guaranteeing that G's bigger push from the school is going to be a bigger commitment to the program overall (Facilities, travel, etc) but I will guarantee that it's a big piece of the discussion. If the school made a mire significant investment to the program, Doc could continue to bring the money train from the NCAA to the school on a regular basis. If Doc's agent is pretty good he will structure the deal so Doc gets some hefty incentives for making the tournament so it becomes a win-win all around. Doc gets a better facility/budget which makes it more likely that he could have repeated success in the post season which in turn means there's more money for the school and ultimately more money for Doc G if he holds up his end of the deal.
Dream scenarion for me on 4/16: 1-Lead announcement is that Coach G will be our coach for "Many years to come" 2-Tom Gola Arena will undergo a facelift of sorts this summer and will feature a full new layout 3-The Explorer Fund has kicked off its drive for a new facility and design/feasibility/site selection work will also begin over the summer
I guess we will see.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 12, 2013 9:15:15 GMT -5
That metro rag is reporting today that Hurley turned down 5 yrs for 5 mil at Rutgers to stay at Rhode Island. Let's assume that is correct. Hurley is their first choice. Would they offer G the same deal? I say no. If we know that is the high water mark where does La Salle have to be to make the decision for G easy to stay? 650K, 700K?, 750K? I thought before this fiasco came to fruition that La Salle would pay G up to $600K after the Sweet 16 appearance. I think they would go to $700K if they knew G would stay. Over 700K?......I don't think they do it. BALL IS IN LA SALLE'S COURT!!!
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Post by stlexplorer on Apr 12, 2013 9:40:08 GMT -5
@njhoopshaven: Interest between Rutgers and Eddie Jordan is heating up. The parties likely will have a neutral-site meeting over the weekend.
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Post by 23won on Apr 12, 2013 9:49:12 GMT -5
And you guys should chill a little with the Final 4 stuff. This year was a phenomenal, remarkable run, but even getting back to the Sweet 16 in the near future is very unlikely. The goal next year is the tournament, and you see what happens from there. Nice piece of analysis. You guys are as positive as a Mike Rice practice. I think you have to be more positive than "make it and see what happens." It's not a given that a deep run could happen, but it "could" happen given that (1) teams that are battle tested and have been there have pretty good odds to succeed again, (2) 3 senior guards can make a huge impact in the tourney and (3) next year's team will have talent (when fully healthy) on a level comparable to this year's Shockers. Could is not a guarantee or a high probablility, but it is a possibility based on 1-3 above.
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