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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 3, 2024 16:34:57 GMT -5
What are you talking about you clown First half - 9 of 20 (led by 6) First 5m of 2nd Half - 2 of 5 (led by 10) Next 7m of 2nd Half - 2 of 2 Next 5m of 2nd half - No Three Pointers attempted Final 3-4 minutes of game - 1 of 7 I have to find the halftime media stats to do 3pt rate, but they completely abandoned what got them a 10-point lead when they shot two threes over a 12m stretch. The 1 of 7 down the stretch was playing catchup. they took 3 fewer shots overall in the second half and 6 fewer 3's. The 3s in the first half fell at a 45% rate. Second half....35.7% tired legs (airball 3 at the end which im not even sure counted as a shot), better perimeter defense against the one trick pony. Taking more 3s wasnt getting us a win here despite a first half lead. At one point in the second half, we had 5 guys all outside the arc passing the ball around. Pretty easy to defend. The analytics I posted before show we lose most of the time when we shoot too many 3s. We become too predictable and get tired and stop hitting them. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 3, 2024 16:41:31 GMT -5
You’re counting the seven desperation threes at the end as offense. It wasn’t. You’re wrong here. If you want this La Salle team to win A10 games at a big enough clip to mean something, there is a clear blueprint. They shot more threes in that first half and had success. Then kept shooting them and had success. Then completely stopped shooting them, and lost.
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Post by haze202 on Feb 3, 2024 16:43:13 GMT -5
What are you talking about you clown First half - 9 of 20 (led by 6) First 5m of 2nd Half - 2 of 5 (led by 10) Next 7m of 2nd Half - 2 of 2 Next 5m of 2nd half - No Three Pointers attempted Final 3-4 minutes of game - 1 of 7 I have to find the halftime media stats to do 3pt rate, but they completely abandoned what got them a 10-point lead when they shot two threes over a 12m stretch. The 1 of 7 down the stretch was playing catchup. This is exactly why yall don’t know what yall be talking about!! Lol. We lost by 6. Rebounds close to even. Turnovers even. Know what wasn’t even??? 3pt attempts!!! We shot 34 and made 14. They shot 21 times and made 10 of em!! Guess what when we attempt all those 3’s and they don’t. They get to the line more than us!! They made more fts than we attempted!!! You will never win like that. Y’all busy complaining bout the players. But who prepare them?? We went to a zone defense and they had at least 4 turnovers in that stretch. At no time in that game did SJU show us that they even had a plan for the zone. And what do we do?? We come out of it and play man to man of which SJU ran the same stinking play over and over again until they ate the lead up!! The only adjustment that Billy Lange made was to go to a diamond and 1 press and guess what we wasn’t ready for that!! Wonder how I know?? Because how we attacked the press or how we didn’t attack it!! You don’t throw the balll cross court on an odd front press you beat it down the sidelines and then the middle. We did it once by accident. If y’all gonna sit here and criticize at least watch the game and know what you are talking about. This game was lost by our coaches!!! They let Lange off the hook and played right into their hands. Also do yall know for the last 2 games (losses by the way) out of the 1st 20 shots attempted by us 15 of em are 3’s!!! We shoot 3’s like Steph and Klay is on our roster!! We walk the ball up against set defenses trying to play iso ball and we’re half the size of our opponents!!! Speed is supposed to be our neutralizer!! But yet we play so slow. Maybe if y’all watch the game thru these lens then you will get it. WE PLAY NO DEFENSE!! No effort nothing. Watch the film and stop reading analytical stats!! |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 3, 2024 16:45:42 GMT -5
Going to be delicate here but you have to understand the roster. St Joe’s has 9 players that would start for La Salle. They probably have five of the best six. They have a seven footer. They have three nba prospects.
But nah. Play defense harder. Cmon.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 3, 2024 16:48:32 GMT -5
Exactly haze. We are predictable. Cutting and driving open up more opportunities and help us draw fouls and keep defenses honest. Joe will cling to this "shoot more 3s" because thats what he does.... it it isnt working in the a10.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 3, 2024 16:51:47 GMT -5
Today's result aside, I don't understand how you think it is good game management to take your eight-man, super-short, less-athletic roster and then expect them to grind buckets in the paint. It doesn't make any sense to me. And it is clear as day what happened today. Gotta let go of the 1990s guys. The game is played differently and because La Salle is who they are...they should go to that extreme.
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Post by haze202 on Feb 3, 2024 16:58:57 GMT -5
Going to be delicate here but you have to understand the roster. St Joe’s has 9 players that would start for La Salle. They probably have five of the best six. They have a seven footer. They have three nba prospects. But nah. Play defense harder. Cmon. SJU should’ve lost this game by double digits. They’re a poorly coached team. We are way too easy to defend. Our best 2/3 best shooters are supposedly Andres and Tunde. How times have you witness either 1 of them coming off ANY screens to get an open look?? They stand out in the perimeter and wait for the ball to come their way. And if they do get an open look is because they got a back tap or one of our guards penetrated deep in the paint and passed them the ball usually with little to no time on the shot clock. Look how many times on offense we would have ALL 5 players on one side of the court in half court. No spacing. Just playground ball. |
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Post by las71 on Feb 3, 2024 16:59:33 GMT -5
Going to be delicate here but you have to understand the roster. St Joe’s has 9 players that would start for La Salle. They probably have five of the best six. They have a seven footer. They have three nba prospects. But nah. Play defense harder. Cmon. This is the simple truth, when you play teams that are bigger and more talented at practically every position, you have to play 40 minutes of near perfect basketball to win. Tonight we played about 30 near perfect minutes and it wasn't enough. The kids play hard but no matter how hard they play it's near impossible to win games when our margin for error is so small. We don't have a coaching problem and we don't have an effort problem, we have a talent problem. I expect Dunphy will coach at least 3 more years here since he's recruiting 2025 kids. I don't believe he would recruit kids without promising to coach at least one maybe two seasons after they get here. My hope is that he's able to upgrade the talent in each of the next three years and leaves us with enough A 10 level talent to be consistently in the top 5. |
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Post by haze202 on Feb 3, 2024 17:02:59 GMT -5
Today's result aside, I don't understand how you think it is good game management to take your eight-man, super-short, less-athletic roster and then expect them to grind buckets in the paint. It doesn't make any sense to me. And it is clear as day what happened today. Gotta let go of the 1990s guys. The game is played differently and because La Salle is who they are...they should go to that extreme. Lets the 90’s go?  LOL. We are the smaller team!!! We should always be pushing the pace to the max!!! We don’t do that. We walk the ball up and play iso ball against the bigger stronger team!! You wanna shoot more 3’s cool. Design an offense to effectively get open 3 looks. That’s not happening here. It’s all on game film. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 3, 2024 17:04:39 GMT -5
Today's result aside, I don't understand how you think it is good game management to take your eight-man, super-short, less-athletic roster and then expect them to grind buckets in the paint. It doesn't make any sense to me. And it is clear as day what happened today. Gotta let go of the 1990s guys. The game is played differently and because La Salle is who they are...they should go to that extreme. Lets the 90’s go? LOL. We are the smaller team!!! We should always be pushing the pace to the max!!! We don’t do that. We walk the ball up and play iso ball against the bigger stronger team!! You wanna shoot more 3’s cool. Design an offense to effectively get open 3 looks. That’s not happening here. It’s all on game film. La Salle passed on a ton of open threes in the second half today. I'll get screenshots of the tape this week. |
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 3, 2024 17:06:16 GMT -5
When we speed up we are not a better team. They make more mistakes when they have odd man opportunities i feel like more than they convert.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 3, 2024 17:10:37 GMT -5
Going to be delicate here but you have to understand the roster. St Joe’s has 9 players that would start for La Salle. They probably have five of the best six. They have a seven footer. They have three nba prospects. But nah. Play defense harder. Cmon. SJU should’ve lost this game by double digits. They’re a poorly coached team. We are way too easy to defend. Our best 2/3 best shooters are supposedly Andres and Tunde. How times have you witness either 1 of them coming off ANY screens to get an open look?? They stand out in the perimeter and wait for the ball to come their way. And if they do get an open look is because they got a back tap or one of our guards penetrated deep in the paint and passed them the ball usually with little to no time on the shot clock. Look how many times on offense we would have ALL 5 players on one side of the court in half court. No spacing. Just playground ball. Don’t get me wrong I love spicy takes, but now you’re going at Coach and this Board is not going to tolerate people that go after coach Dunphy.. But your take is 100% correct and has been another point frustration with him. There is no structure on offense and it is playground/star ball. Regarding this, I am genuinely confused why coach hasn’t stopped this and developed a structured offense to maximize players given abilities. He has had plenty of time now to fix this. It doesn’t take that long to set a structure and hold players to it |
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Post by gymrat67 on Feb 3, 2024 17:13:34 GMT -5
( February 3, 2024 ) IBX Press Conference : La Salle MBB vs. St. Joseph's
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 3, 2024 17:38:43 GMT -5
There are no easy answers. As I mentioned in the Rhode Island thread you can pick out lots of different reasons each game why we lost.
Listen to Dunphy’s press conference. A lot of the reasons are there.
We missed 2 straight free throws down the stretch (Shepherd) and failed to get the rebound on foul shots again-just like URI. Critical mistakes that good teams don’t make. Turned the ball over way too often and took bad shots during SJU’s run. They took Brickus out of the game in the second half and we suffered.
Got nothing from Shepherd and Gill but bad play down the stretch.
Plenty of blame to go around.
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 3, 2024 17:46:34 GMT -5
Disappointed with Anwar. He’s the only other senior on the team and always seems to have 4 fouls and does not have that inside offensive game that seemed to come so easily for him.
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Post by manayunk53 on Feb 3, 2024 19:18:06 GMT -5
Enough about all this offensive scheme crap. What are the rules for cashing in our City View pizza and Dekes fried pickles?
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Post by nealum on Feb 3, 2024 20:17:08 GMT -5
When Marrero entered the game in the first half, the first thing he did was chuck up a 3-pt. shot from well outside his range. It hit nothing - it was an air ball. Embarrassing. He should have been yanked by the coaching staff.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 3, 2024 20:26:22 GMT -5
When Marrero entered the game in the first half, the first thing he did was chuck up a 3-pt. shot from well outside his range. It hit nothing - it was an air ball. Embarrassing. He should have been yanked by the coaching staff. ? He was the least of our issues today. Dunphy has given him the green light to shoot. He is our best shooter along with Brickus. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 3, 2024 21:13:43 GMT -5
Agreed
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Post by roaddog77 on Feb 3, 2024 23:46:21 GMT -5
This was another tough loss today against St. Joe’s. The one thing I worry about is retaining Brickus and Brantley. I hope I’m wrong, but this might be Brickus last run with us. Brickus gave us 4 good years and a 1,000 career points. Maybe Brickus want to go somewhere to win and play in the NCAA tournament. In Brantley case, he wants to win and get paid while playing (NIL). I know the players played hard every game and come up short. For us to retain the talent we have now and the future is to build our NIL program. Without a strong NIL, we will be struggling to recruit top talent. We look at St. Joe’s, they have NBA talent with a bad coach. If Coach Fran have that same talent level like St. Joe’s, we be in first place in the A10 and national rank. We have last place SLU on Wednesday at home and we need this victory bad. Let get it baby.
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Post by las71 on Feb 4, 2024 8:29:10 GMT -5
On a positive note, 3174 fans attended. I realize St. Joe's fans contributed to that number but a nice payday for La Salle athletics.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 4, 2024 9:54:40 GMT -5
This one is going to be my first tape breakdown in some time. The board benched three guys in the last 20m though. The team is the team. Shepherd needs to play because he’s the only guy that can even attempt to stay with Joes rangy wings. Oh he got beat? Those guys beat everyone. Reynolds is getting NBA looks. You think Ryan Zan could do better than the most athletic guy on the team? And Zan played well, but he’s no ball stopper. I know you guys scoffed at my desire for them to put up more threes. This game proved it and I’m gonna grab some screenshots to show you why that plan makes sense. When you pass on an open three and then turn the ball over or take a bad two, you missed an opportunity to get a good shot that’s worth more. Finished my rewatch and screenshotting. Here's a taste. Long post coming today or tomorrow.  |
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Post by 23won on Feb 4, 2024 10:34:47 GMT -5
You’re counting the seven desperation threes at the end as offense. It wasn’t. You’re wrong here. If you want this La Salle team to win A10 games at a big enough clip to mean something, there is a clear blueprint. They shot more threes in that first half and had success. Then kept shooting them and had success. Then completely stopped shooting them, and lost. It's not a formulaic answer - just shoot more threes. SJU extended their D out much better in the second half. We also reverted to the mean of 35% 3 shooting in the second half versus 45% in the first. Why? the other part of the equation is to shoot better threes by players who can hit 3s. Why did we shoot worse threes in the second half - (1) our guards touched little paint on drives to draw the D in, which could lead to kick-outs for open 3s, (2) Jig was less in the mix, both in handling the ball and taking shots for key stretches (that needs to be corrected) and (3) Brantley goes 1-7 from three overall, a guy who shoots 28% from 3. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 4, 2024 10:39:50 GMT -5
They didn’t though. I just watched the game and took notes. St Joseph’s allowed the same open looks they did in the first half. La Salle just stopped shooting them/creating them for others.
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Post by festushagan on Feb 4, 2024 10:47:20 GMT -5
Good insight from all reference yesterday's game, a very winnable one to be sure.
Proud of the effort and passion on display by most players but want to single out a couple who came up short.
Gill with the exception of a couple early plays disappointed, we need him to contribute on a more consistent basis in order to pull out some of these games. Plays hard but not always under control, wonder if he's still nursing an injury.
Shepherd, on the other hand was brutal. Zero points with one rebound in my opinion was main reason for yesterday's loss.
I can excuse his stats from yesterday, it happens, but not his defense. He appeared disinterested while on the court, nothing new, and I question his willingness to battle for rebounds against larger foes.
Shepherd's regression is alarming, curious as to why?
Bottom line, without contributions from both, don't see La Salle finishing above 500 overall again this year!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 4, 2024 10:54:35 GMT -5
This loss put Dunphy 3rd from last in winning percentage in La Salle coaching history. 17th overall. Still ahead of Billy Hahn at 18th and Ash Howard in last at 19th.
Fran has now dropped 3 of 4 to the 2nd worst coach in St. Joe's history based on winning percentage.
He got out coached yesterday, plain and simple. It felt like watching an Ash-coached team by blowing a 12 point second half lead.
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Post by Fastchuck on Feb 4, 2024 11:39:54 GMT -5
I think that the turning point in the game came with Jocious' fouls keeping him out of most of the second half. This did 2 things. It allowed SJU to extend their D because there was no in side threat. RJ was playing their big man to a stand off. With RJ out SJU went small (for them). Without the big Frenchman their ball movement was much better. We started to panic and got out of our rhythm. Mistakes piled up. The two lane violations were inexcusable. The funniest (in a sad way) thing I saw was Merrero coming back on defense clapping and urging his teammates to keep up the energy while his man got behind him and scored.
The picture JF posted sums up Gill right now. He gets into the lane with no plan determined to score. Rarely kicks it out to an open shooter. Sheppard plays because he rebounds. When he doesn't he appears to be disinterested. He should spend more time working on his handle and finishing with his left hand rather than coming up with novel dunks. I have seen him get to the rim and twist himself in midair to use his right hand.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 4, 2024 11:41:59 GMT -5
I think that the turning point in the game came with Jocious' fouls keeping him out of most of the second half. This did 2 things. It allowed SJU to extend their D because there was no in side threat. RJ was playing their big man to a stand off. With RJ out SJU went small (for them). Without the big Frenchman their ball movement was much better. We started to panic and got out of our rhythm. Mistakes piled up. The two lane violations were inexcusable. The funniest (in a sad way) thing I saw was Merrero coming back on defense clapping and urging his teammates to keep up the energy while his man got behind him and scored. The picture JF posted sums up Gill right now. He gets into the lane with no plan determined to score. Rarely kicks it out to an open shooter. Sheppard plays because he rebounds. When he doesn't he appears to be disinterested. He should spend more time working on his handle and finishing with his left hand rather than coming up with novel dunks. I have seen him get to the rim and twist himself in midair to use his right hand. Spot on. Plus give up the rebound on foul shots (again) is inexcusable. Also, Greer’s drive into Rokas’ chest knowing he wasn’t going to make the basket but knew he could get to the ball to follow up while every other La Salle defender just watched and gave no help. Inexcusable. If you take Brickus out like they did in the second half we really struggle to find efficient offense . We are thin on talent. Coaching isn’t the issue. Dunphy needs to get more scholarships from the pool of scholarship players not playing and needs to get more talent. Into the program. More toughness up front and secure some experienced transfers. If I were him I would beg some wealthy donors for NIL money to become more attractive in the transfer portal. To me this is the only formula that can allow Dunphy to succeed and convince those that produce it is worth coming back next year to possibly make a run at something. Otherwise we going back to another reset with a coach that has limited shelf life and very young and/or not enough talent. |
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Post by glorydays on Feb 4, 2024 12:50:05 GMT -5
Bravo to Fastchuck and 88 for their well thought out and accurate (in my opinion) analysis.
Being an old Catholic guy, my only thought is the irony of choking away a 12 point lead on the Feast of St. Blaise.
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Post by gymrat67 on Feb 4, 2024 12:54:34 GMT -5
Bravo to Fastchuck and 88 for their well thought out and accurate (in my opinion) analysis. Being an old Catholic guy, my only thought is the irony of choking away a 12 point lead on the Feast of St. Blaise. glorydays : + 2 ( extra credit )  |
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LOL. We are the smaller team!!! We should always be pushing the pace to the max!!! We don’t do that. We walk the ball up and play iso ball against the bigger stronger team!! You wanna shoot more 3’s cool. Design an offense to effectively get open 3 looks. That’s not happening here. It’s all on game film. 
