The New Big 5 + Drexel

[MisterD]

Its a type of strep a child can get from the kiddie pools at Sesame Place. Its "real gross".

[theneumann64]

The other game in our pod is tonight. Temple @ Drexel at 7PM. If Temple wins, our game against them on the 29th becomes for 1st place in our Pod. If Drexel wins, the 1-1 all around possibility remains in play.

Either way, if we beat Temple, we play for the Championship on 12/2.

[gymrat67]

Nov 14, 2023 10:08:20 GMT -5 23won said:

Nov 14, 2023 5:38:08 GMT -5 gymrat67 said:

   givansk1 :  + 2  ( extra credit ).   I see what you did there. 

Giveanski1 - the peri part of the bold word you used above means "at or around." Does your reference to perianal mean at or around ______? Or just that they taint good?

   ' perianal ' :  the perineum ;  situated in or affecting the area around the anus ; the perianal region consists of the area posterior to or lateral to the anus -- Oxford Dictionary. 

[gymrat67]

Nov 13, 2023 23:06:39 GMT -5 belfieldhappyhour said:

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We can't really fault the Penn students for this embarrassing gaffe, the overwhelming majority of whom have had no personal experience whatsoever with and are thus wholly unfamiliar with either the concept of or term ' tuition '. 

[theneumann64]

Nov 14, 2023 12:22:18 GMT -5 gymrat67 said:

Nov 14, 2023 10:08:20 GMT -5 23won said:

Giveanski1 - the peri part of the bold word you used above means "at or around." Does your reference to perianal mean at or around ______? Or just that they taint good?

   ' perianal ' :  the perineum ;  situated in or affecting the area around the anus ; the perianal region consists of the area posterior to or lateral to the anus -- Oxford Dictionary. 

Some of you guys would know all about that region, considering it's where you pull most of your posts from.

Boom. Roasted.

[explorerentourage]

Drexel losing to Temple means our game vs. Temple is a win and in for the Big 5 Championship

[coqui900]

The New Big 5 rules. I went to Drexel/Temple tonight. The DAC (fun bandbox arena) was packed and loud. Great game with Temple never quite able to put the Dragons away. Or at least a close game. Drexel was down 3 with a few seconds left. Kid made the FT and intentionally missed the second. Drexel’s big dude grabbed the rebound and had a look at the buzzer to tie but the ball rolled out. Heartbreaker. Penn/Nova was also awesome last night.

Man, why isn’t the championship at The Palestra? Other than that, this is a really great event and I hope it sticks.

[coachd]

Nov 14, 2023 21:02:14 GMT -5 explorerentourage said:

Drexel losing to Temple means our game vs. Temple is a win and in for the Big 5 Championship

We got this. Temple and Nova aren't what they used to be... we could very well be playing the Hawks for the chip.

[theneumann64]

Was just looking at everything a little since tonight is the last night of Big 5 games before the Classic. Obviously our pod is simple. Drexel is 3rd and will play in the 5th place game Saturday (assuming it's an actual 5th place game, more on that later). Winner of La Salle-Temple tonight plays in the Championship.

In the other pod, it's a little more complicated. If St. Joe's (PA) wins tonight, they win their pod, Penn is 2nd, and Villanova would be (hilariously) 3rd and would play Drexel. That scenario is simple/

In Villanova wins, things get a bit more complicated. Every team in their pod would be 1-1, so it would be thrown to a tiebreaker, which is NET rankings. As others have pointed out, the NCAA doesn't actually start posting NET rankings until much later in the season, so who knows where they'll get these numbers from. But I did find an active, although obviously unofficial, NET rankings list on CBS:
www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/rankings/net/

Long and short of it is this- if Villanova (currently 71) wins tonight, they'll win their pod and play in the Championship. Penn is currently 138, and plays an Exhibition tonight against a D3 school, so I don't think that affects their NET. Saint Joe's (PA) is currently 201, and although I'm sure playing Villanova will raise their NET, I don't think it will do so by 70 spots. So by my extremely unofficial research, I think these are the 2 scenarios

If St. Joe's (PA) wins tonight:
1. St. Joe's (PA)
2. Penn
3. Villanova

If Villanova wins tonight:
1. Villanova
2. Penn
3. St. Joe's (PA)

What I'm glad about is it seems unlikely we'd finish in 2nd alongside St. Joe's and they'd have to criss-cross the games. Meaning there wouldn't be a 3rd and and 5th place game, just additional games with no placement. That's what I really don't want.

[diehardexplorer]

Nov 29, 2023 11:43:18 GMT -5 theneumann64 said:

Was just looking at everything a little since tonight is the last night of Big 5 games before the Classic. Obviously our pod is simple. Drexel is 3rd and will play in the 5th place game Saturday (assuming it's an actual 5th place game, more on that later). Winner of La Salle-Temple tonight plays in the Championship.

In the other pod, it's a little more complicated. If St. Joe's (PA) wins tonight, they win their pod, Penn is 2nd, and Villanova would be (hilariously) 3rd and would play Drexel. That scenario is simple/

In Villanova wins, things get a bit more complicated. Every team in their pod would be 1-1, so it would be thrown to a tiebreaker, which is NET rankings. As others have pointed out, the NCAA doesn't actually start posting NET rankings until much later in the season, so who knows where they'll get these numbers from. But I did find an active, although obviously unofficial, NET rankings list on CBS:
www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/rankings/net/

Long and short of it is this- if Villanova (currently 71) wins tonight, they'll win their pod and play in the Championship. Penn is currently 138, and plays an Exhibition tonight against a D3 school, so I don't think that affects their NET. Saint Joe's (PA) is currently 201, and although I'm sure playing Villanova will raise their NET, I don't think it will do so by 70 spots. So by my extremely unofficial research, I think these are the 2 scenarios

If St. Joe's (PA) wins tonight:
1. St. Joe's (PA)
2. Penn
3. Villanova

If Villanova wins tonight:
1. Villanova
2. Penn
3. St. Joe's (PA)

What I'm glad about is it seems unlikely we'd finish in 2nd alongside St. Joe's and they'd have to criss-cross the games. Meaning there wouldn't be a 3rd and and 5th place game, just additional games with no placement. That's what I really don't want.

those cbs net rankings you linked are based on last year, just like the ones on the ncaa site i've linked below. the site may say they've been updated but they have not been.

www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings 

[theneumann64]

Thanks. I figured that was a possibility.

[theneumann64]

So does anyone have any idea where the hell they're going to get these NET rankings from?

[giveansk1]

Nov 29, 2023 14:06:18 GMT -5 theneumann64 said:

So does anyone have any idea where the hell they're going to get these NET rankings from?

I think your analysis is still right despite the lack of clarity from the organizers. Fwiw Torvik started to estimate NET last year without having the actual formula and he was really close. Here is his 2024 one. barttorvik.com/net4cast.php

This is fixed for Nova to get the tiebreaker advantage.

[hykos1045]

I used to feel like it was fixed, however Nova is 6-1 and is nationally ranked, so this talk of them not earning the tiebreaker except for an antiquated statistic is just that. talk.

[theneumann64]

Yeah I like most things about the new Big 5 but this is one inherent flaw in it. You're going to have 3 way ties at 1-1 at least somewhat frequently and need to use some kind of tiebreaker. Point differential encourages a lot of running up of scores and potential ridiculous scenarios like we saw last night in the NBA with their dopey in-season tournament, but does feel better than NET ranking, especially this early in the season.

I don't know a good answer to the problem honestly.

[MisterD]

Alphabetical order but with Drexel last since they weren't original Big 5?

[thelasallelunatic]

So it's Penn with a loss, St Joes or Nova with a win?

[theneumann64]

Nov 29, 2023 16:49:18 GMT -5 thelasallelunatic said:

So it's Penn with a loss, St Joes or Nova with a win?

Seems like it.

[diehardexplorer]

Nov 29, 2023 16:02:38 GMT -5 theneumann64 said:

Yeah I like most things about the new Big 5 but this is one inherent flaw in it. You're going to have 3 way ties at 1-1 at least somewhat frequently and need to use some kind of tiebreaker. Point differential encourages a lot of running up of scores and potential ridiculous scenarios like we saw last night in the NBA with their dopey in-season tournament, but does feel better than NET ranking, especially this early in the season.

I don't know a good answer to the problem honestly.

imo, for lack of anything better, they should use rpi, and there are numerous sites doing rpi calculations daily.  personally, i think rpi is better as it's not geared to favoring the p5 teams like net is. 

[thelasallelunatic]

St. Joes +14.5 was a stone cold mortal lock.

[calsufan]

Nov 29, 2023 16:07:18 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Alphabetical order but with Drexel last since they weren't original Big 5?

I like this idea.

[MisterD]

In a perfect season, St. Joseph’s of PA is winless and Villanova wins once, so of course they can’t even get that right.

[thelasallelunatic]

We don't get chance to win this, and we don't get a chance to beef up our NET by playing Nova... tell me again who this tourney benefits???

[JoeFedorowicz]

What would a beefier NET give us

[las71]

I was hoping for a reasonably large crowd on Saturday but that was with the expectation that Nova would be in the championship game. Wells Fargo games are the only chance many Nova fans get to see them live and coupled with the Atlantis tournament win expected a large turnout. I suspect that many Nova fans don't do 5-6 games but hope they already purchased their tickets. I hope we have a respectable turnout. Certainly hoped we'd be in the championship game but frankly didn't expect a win there. Third place game against Penn gives us a chance to finish the Big Five classic on a high note. Go 'splorers!

[thelasallelunatic]

Nov 30, 2023 6:03:28 GMT -5 JoeFedorowicz said:

What would a beefier NET give us

If this is an 18 win team, it would give us something. If it's a 15 win team, nothing.

To win 18 games, games like Temple have to be won.

[JoeFedorowicz]

18 wins in the A10 with no ranked wins OOC gets you an "atta boy."

[thelasallelunatic]

Nov 30, 2023 9:04:43 GMT -5 JoeFedorowicz said:

18 wins in the A10 with no ranked wins OOC gets you an "atta boy."

My point exactly, Joe. A win over 18th ranked Nova, while beating Temple, playing Duke and The U...that's a schedule. 

Beating Penn is a nice feeling, better at The Palestra than Wells Fargo, but a nice feeling.

It gets us an atta boy as well.

[thelasallelunatic]

This will be my last post on the Big 5 classic until after the tournament is over. St. Joes is gonna come out of this thing smelling like roses. They will have played every Big 5 team. They're probably going to win this thing. They've went from the outhouse to the penthouse fairly quickly.

[big5explorer]

Love this new format, and it wont be quite so exciting to play for 3rd place (or 5th place) on Saturday, but it still has been a good format for the first year.

My one criticism: $150 per ticket to sit in the “La Salle section” for a 3rd place game on Saturday? That will probably be $350 with fees for my wife and I to attend. Throw in another 20 for parking. So almost 400 bucks for a basketball game? That’s going to be prohibitive for some fans.