MisterD
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Post by MisterD on May 11, 2021 15:55:00 GMT -5
Has anyone considered that rather than eliminate baseball, they should expand the roster to 90? If you run the simple numbers above, the University would be looking at ballpark (pun!) revenue of $2MM. there's a roster cap...plus Title IX implications. Try to keep up Increase softball too. They contribute the same tuition and housing revenue per player. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 11, 2021 16:26:52 GMT -5
Alright let's take it down a notch. I keep forgetting you have to come to his rescue on here, but he is allowed to throw shade at will. No, you should both stop throwing pointless barbs at each other. You're both just posting to create a stir in the other. |
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Post by calsufan on May 11, 2021 16:35:27 GMT -5
Has anyone considered that rather than eliminate baseball, they should expand the roster to 90? If you run the simple numbers above, the University would be looking at ballpark (pun!) revenue of $2MM. Good Lord, you’re tiresome. You manage to constantly post on here without ever actually adding anything to the conversation. There seems to be a lot of that going around on this board lately. |
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Post by calsufan on May 11, 2021 16:36:55 GMT -5
Now do that for the accounting dept. Or literally anything else students are a part of. I don't take requests from posters with such a low "likes to posts" ratio. I'm really curious why likes are so important to you. You mention it quite frequently. |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on May 11, 2021 19:41:28 GMT -5
A question for you Glitter... Is the number for tuition and room and board taking into account that the athletic programs for most of our sports stack athletic and academic scholarships? From my understanding a lot of the athletes who are on teams that are not fully funded get academic money to make it more appealing for them to come here. Or is this by calculating the full cost with no help at all? Just a question to try to gain a better understanding. I took a guess at $42K per unfunded player. $32.5K for tuition plus $15.2K for room and board...and I figured maybe ~2/3 lived in on campus housing to get from 47.7K to 42K. Didn't account for academic aid in it at all in that. (Federal aid and loans taken out to attend are accounted for because the school receives that revenue). If we assume everyone on the roster also received a $10K academic merit award, that still puts this year's team at ~$620K of revenue (and the 38-man roster from 2019 at ~$840K) for La Salle. Good numbers Glitter, but as was mentioned earlier in this thread the tuition money has no correlation to the teams' budgets. So you might say the team makes money for the school, but they aren't making money for their budget. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 11, 2021 21:57:51 GMT -5
I took a guess at $42K per unfunded player. $32.5K for tuition plus $15.2K for room and board...and I figured maybe ~2/3 lived in on campus housing to get from 47.7K to 42K. Didn't account for academic aid in it at all in that. (Federal aid and loans taken out to attend are accounted for because the school receives that revenue). If we assume everyone on the roster also received a $10K academic merit award, that still puts this year's team at ~$620K of revenue (and the 38-man roster from 2019 at ~$840K) for La Salle. Good numbers Glitter, but as was mentioned earlier in this thread the tuition money has no correlation to the teams' budgets. So you might say the team makes money for the school, but they aren't making money for their budget. Yep...but one could argue that is penny-wise and pound-foolish. Was at an Alumni Board send-off tonight since we didn't have it last year for those of us with expiring terms in 2020. New interim President zoom'd into the meeting. He was asked about baseball....the number being thrown around was that teams needed to raise 10 years' worth of their operating budget to be saved. Swimming, with a much lower budget, did. The other thing that was said was that even if baseball had raised 10 years' worth of budget, due to Title IX, they would have needed a women's team to do the same. I really liked this guy. Straight shooter...not the rah rah promise-the-world-but-not-deliver type. Didn't hide behind rhetoric. He said his priorities were: - focusing on enrollment and retention...said the decision to go virtual in the fall really hurt enrollment and finances. Really wants incoming classes of 700 minimum - addressing the financial issues with the school...specifically some debt and driving revenue and donations - getting a plan in place for the Glaser donation before it expires - getting faculty re-engaged as his sense was a lot felt put off in the past few years (Gee...I wonder where all this was heard before....) |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on May 11, 2021 22:20:54 GMT -5
Was at an Alumni Board send-off tonight since we didn't have it last year for those of us with expiring terms in 2020. New interim President zoom'd into the meeting. He was asked about baseball....the number being thrown around was that teams needed to raise 10 years' worth of their operating budget to be saved. Swimming, with a much lower budget, did. Well this sucks for Baseball. Even if they raised the need funds, it seems they're shit outta luck. Wonder if they did raise the funds, and asked to drop two other under performing teams like men's golf and men's tennis. Those two teams have roughly 15 players, so the Title IX stuff would still be an issue. Not to get Joe Fed pissed off, but what would happen if someone proposed dropping indoor track? A fairly successful team, for sure, but it seems a team that size is one that would need to get dropped for baseball to survive. And I doubt that would happen. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 12, 2021 4:23:05 GMT -5
Pretty sure cross country, indoor and outdoor track count as one sport.
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Post by 23won on May 12, 2021 6:02:19 GMT -5
Was at an Alumni Board send-off tonight since we didn't have it last year for those of us with expiring terms in 2020. New interim President zoom'd into the meeting... I really liked this guy. Straight shooter...not the rah rah promise-the-world-but-not-deliver type. Didn't hide behind rhetoric. He said his priorities were: - focusing on enrollment and retention...said the decision to go virtual in the fall really hurt enrollment and finances. Really wants incoming classes of 700 minimum - addressing the financial issues with the school...specifically some debt and driving revenue and donations - getting a plan in place for the Glaser donation before it expires - getting faculty re-engaged as his sense was a lot felt put off in the past few years Sounds like strike 1, 2, 3 and 4 for Madame President. Glad she was called up to the Big Show in Cincy. The BoT Interim Pres credentials criteria speak volumes. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 12, 2021 6:11:09 GMT -5
Consider the source
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Post by jellybean on May 12, 2021 7:06:54 GMT -5
I took a guess at $42K per unfunded player. $32.5K for tuition plus $15.2K for room and board...and I figured maybe ~2/3 lived in on campus housing to get from 47.7K to 42K. Didn't account for academic aid in it at all in that. (Federal aid and loans taken out to attend are accounted for because the school receives that revenue). If we assume everyone on the roster also received a $10K academic merit award, that still puts this year's team at ~$620K of revenue (and the 38-man roster from 2019 at ~$840K) for La Salle. Good numbers Glitter, but as was mentioned earlier in this thread the tuition money has no correlation to the teams' budgets. So you might say the team makes money for the school, but they aren't making money for their budget. This is EXACTLY his point and others like me have been saying. It's ALL about putting butts in the seats. La Salle NEVER cared about winning outside of a couple of sports. They exist to bring tuition revenue to the school. I'm just amazed that the school is NOW concerned about budgets. Baseball as well as all the sports besides MBB can't generate revenue. I thought the school was responsible for providing the resources and the coaches were responsible for coaching. Said it many times but J. D. Morgan the "Godfather of AD's" said that it was his responsibility to provide the resources to win and the coaches job to win championships. This was in the 50's and 60's. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on May 12, 2021 8:35:42 GMT -5
Has anyone considered that rather than eliminate baseball, they should expand the roster to 90? If you run the simple numbers above, the University would be looking at ballpark (pun!) revenue of $2MM. Good Lord, you’re tiresome. You manage to constantly post on here without ever actually adding anything to the conversation. truer words were never written. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on May 12, 2021 8:37:20 GMT -5
says the guy who posted this. |
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Post by calsufan on May 12, 2021 8:54:16 GMT -5
says the guy who posted this. says the guy who posted this... We're all guilty of that. There are no angels here. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 12, 2021 9:14:30 GMT -5
Sorry. I'm out on this thread.
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Post by explorerburger on May 12, 2021 9:30:58 GMT -5
I'm out on this board.
I haven't been active around here in years, but popped up recently, I suppose, as a function of pandemic boredom.
This place has devolved into one giant contest among a very small number of people to see who can gobble up the most oxygen by being the most passive aggressive smart ass. It's thoroughly embarrassing.
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Post by explorer88 on May 12, 2021 9:37:12 GMT -5
This board is going to be a bloodbath next season. Right now I can't see this program doing much next year and the Ash protectors and the other side are going to be fighting it out over whether he should be fired or extended, or even worse La Salle should do nothing etc.....
This thread is a preview of things to come.
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Post by jellybean on May 12, 2021 10:11:21 GMT -5
This board is going to be a bloodbath next season. Right now I can't see this program doing much next year and the Ash protectors and the other side are going to be fighting it out over whether he should be fired or extended, or even worse La Salle should do nothing etc..... This thread is a preview of things to come. I'm on record as saying Ash gets an extension sometime next season. |
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Post by sidclassof69 on May 12, 2021 10:15:14 GMT -5
An extension?🤔🤔🤔
I know it would bring a sense of stability to the program- but I always thought extensions were a reward for success 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post by explorer88 on May 12, 2021 10:18:00 GMT -5
If he has another season like last season and gets an extension everyone should be jumping on this program. That shows they don't give one crap about the program and whether it wins or loses.
If he surprises and they give him one then that is different and good for Ash.
I think I know what JB is trying to say. He may be right but I don't like it as a fan of the program.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on May 12, 2021 10:26:08 GMT -5
I just feel bad for the baseball players.... and the athletes on other axed teams that are going to have to transfer to find places to play. I think it sucks. I'm a 37 year old dinosaur as far as Twitter and staying up in different websites, so I don't know much about the barstool guy other than he goes around the country trying out different pizza spots. But whatever those athletes have to do to try and raise money for their program and future at La Salle, they have to do, I can't fault them for it. College baseball is rarely, if ever, going to be a money maker in the northeast or mid Atlantic region of this country. It still sucks for the sport and for the players. There's a lot of good high school baseball in the Delaware Valley.
Hank DeVincent donated a lot of money to that baseball program over the years. I'm sad for him. I'm upset that the school spent millions (necessary at the time) to upgrade the football and baseball fields to turf, and now those programs are gone.
Lastly, mostly I'm upset that my freshmen had a thousand students 19 years ago and now we are shooting for 700 kids per incoming class. La Salle was 30,000 all in, including room and board. I think that we all saw this higher education bubble popping, and that it didn't or doesn't make sense to go $80,000 in debt for a philosophy degree (no offense). Second tier Catholic schools(those of us behind Notre Dame, Georgetown, BC, and Nova) and 3rd tier Catholic schools(Cabrini, Gwynedd, Holy Family) were going to be hit the hardest. That being said, La Salle has been known for their communications, business, and nursing programs. I don't have the answers, but I do know that we are trending in the wrong direction.
Whether it was Colleen, Brother Mike, or the Board of Trustees, if it doesn't get corrected, the future at 20th and Olney isn't bright. Maybe we can all be in agreement and share concern about that.
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on May 12, 2021 10:28:29 GMT -5
If he has another season like last season and gets an extension everyone should be jumping on this program. That shows they don't give one crap about the program and whether it wins or loses. If he surprises and they give him one then that is different and good for Ash. I think I know what JB is trying to say. He may be right but I don't like it as a fan of the program. Whether or not you like Howard, you have to admit firing (because you can't lame duck, right?) a first time HC and top asst off a national champion risks poisoning the well. Not saying we wouldn't be able to fill, because we're still A-10, but if we had interest in ten realistic options, several wouldn't have interest back if they knew this was a 4 year mandate. |
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Post by jellybean on May 12, 2021 10:34:14 GMT -5
I'll start here with my thoughts (with 20-year-old numbers). When Brennan was there, roughly around the 1999-2000 or 2000-01 school year, he flipped all teams budgets to strictly donations, so whatever you raised, that was your budget for the year. Obviously that didn't included coaches salaries and scholarship money. Definitely don't know if this is still the case, others might be able to answer that. When Brennan got there, the Athletic Department budget was a mess from Mullen and everything was paid through the university budget, to my recollection. So the outgoing money for baseball, and most teams, would be - 1) games day staff. Who does the scoring for the baseball team, and do they still have a PA guy? I did both jobs when I worked there, and as part of the SID office, didn't get paid any extra. Table staff for soccer/FH/Volleyball would include an announcer and scorekeeper. Back then it was in the $25-50 range per game for those teams. Basketball table staff was in the $75-85 range per person (scorebook, 2 stat people, announcer, time out coordinator for TV games, might be missing 1 or 2 there). 2) officials. again going from 20-year-old numbers, most Olympic type sports, the officials were in $75-100 range per game, maybe top end of $150. (for baseball purposes, that's 3 umps). Not sure what the per diem/travel expenses set ups were, but most Olympic sport officials were within a 3-4 hour drive. Basketball was another animal. We had a December game in like 1998 where all 3 refs made over $1100 for the game, cause they all flew in from Florida (Speedy was pissed about this). They are scheduled thru the league so you had no say in this, but I've heard the bball pay has flattened to a single number per game, instead of getting per deim/travel/game rate. Meaning, you might make $700 1 game, then $900 the next depending on travel costs. That number is probably in the $1500 range now, and I'm sure I could be light on that number. 3) field/court pregame maintenance. All these would be University employees, so I don't believe there is extra pay there. Also, aren't all the fields turf now? So, outside of prepping the dirt around the bases/mound/home plate, what other work is done before every game? The SID staff sets up a the table staff stuff. And if there is a tarp, that is/was the teams job to put on/take off. 4) coaches salaries. If baseball is paying 2 guys, what is that salary? $75-100,00 combined? maybe less than that. Excluding basketball, I'd have to believe the track coach would be the next highest paid, because, technically, he is the head coach of 6 teams. 5) scholarships. I believe baseball has an NCAA max of 11 1/2 or 12 1/2 scholarships. Think back in the day, they had 10 1/2 or 2 less than the max. Usually 1 or 2 players had full rides, the rest was sprinkled around the team. Not sure what the scholarship numbers for the other teams. 6) travel. The last few years baseball has done 1 or 2 long weekends in North or South Carolina. Softball has gone to the midwest for tourneys. A quick scan of the other teams schedules, outside of league play, the biggest trips I saw were West Virginia, Virginia and North Carolina. What did I miss? I don't think Softball EVER played a tournament in the Midwest. Would like to know the tournament they played. Why would they prior to league play? The Midwest school generally head to Florida tp play during Spring Break because the weather is so bad. There used to be thing called the "Rebel Springs Games" in Kissimmee FL. In recent years Softball has done the long bus trip deal. Southern Virginia, Maryland and maybe NC. The only trip besides FL that I recall was to Tucson AZ to play in U of Arizona tournament ( where they beat #25 Creighton). Baseball in the last few years under Mike Lake would try to schedule a 3-4 game series with a national opponent. I recall them going to Texas Tech, New Mexico State and San Diego ( where they played against Kris Bryant. Bryant hit a home run that was a monster). As for Head Coaches, I would doubt TP is highest non-BBall HC. What about Paul Royal? 4-5 NCAA appearances and had N C State wooing him. I am trying to get info on referees and their financials. I did hear of a crew that got $3000 for a game. |
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Post by 23won on May 12, 2021 11:16:29 GMT -5
Why don't you consider my comments last August. Looks like I was pretty prophetic. Gee, why do we have 580 students in 2021 versus 900+ in very recent years. The Coronavirus and La Salle's Response Thread (Moved from Main Board) Aug 23, 2020 at 9:18am via mobile louth, jellybean, and 1 more like thisQuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by 23won on Aug 23, 2020 at 9:18am I question whether the school can survive when the administration makes decisions like this. Yes, there was an explanation that showed ongoing references to their dashboards in making a decision but not much meat in terms of data that drove the decision. There was a reference to one health care worker not returning being a factor and the perceived lack of health resources. That is a bit shocking when you are located in one of the largest cities in the country. We have medical transport services readily available and some of the top hospitals in the nation. If I were a frosh or a sophomore I would have said adios to La Salle and enrolled at a community college. Save the bucks and either come back with far less student debt or set sights higher on a better school. I have to say the school has been underwhelming me. You have to make tough decisions and not be influenced by social media or mainstream media (which are incredibly distorted and biased). But that is the way they are running things so put your finger in the air and test the social media winds and that is the way La Salle is headed. No reliance on real data Like Big5 laid out so well. You can build a distorted dashboard and manipulate data all day long to justify a bad decision, but this decision will lead to enrollment erosion and make kids wonder if the second semester will ever start on campus. I’d be looking at the student portal if I were enrolled. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 12, 2021 12:06:08 GMT -5
I don't take requests from posters with such a low "likes to posts" ratio. I'm really curious why likes are so important to you. You mention it quite frequently. Actually I have an 87% GP% (good post percentage). One of the highest on the board. MisterD was the first one to bring a metric like this up....for the record. I'm just referencing what he clearly values. |
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on May 12, 2021 12:15:23 GMT -5
If likes were related to GP%, do you think I'd be here handing out sarcastic likes? C'mon. Get your metrics straight.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 12, 2021 12:41:03 GMT -5
Hank DeVincent donated a lot of money to that baseball program over the years. I'm sad for him. I'm upset that the school spent millions (necessary at the time) to upgrade the football and baseball fields to turf, and now those programs are gone. There was talk last night over drinks that this would not have happened if DeVincent was still alive, or Bradshaw still the AD. That being said, I'm hopeful O’Shaughnessy gets some things moving in the right direction as an alum and local leader with a proven track record of fundraising, financial management, and working with other leaders. I liked what he laid out as his priorities and am looking forward to seeing his plans to tackle those. It was the first time in a long time I felt optimistic about where things can be headed for La Salle. |
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Post by glorydays on May 12, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5
I'm really curious why likes are so important to you. You mention it quite frequently. Actually I have an 87% GP% (good post percentage). One of the highest on the board. MisterD was the first one to bring a metric like this up....for the record. I'm just referencing what he clearly values. I think the ratio of likes to posts is what is called a “vanity metric.” Unsure of where that takes us. Calling Carly Simon. You’re so vain. You probably think this post is about you. |
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Post by calsufan on May 12, 2021 16:26:54 GMT -5
I'm really curious why likes are so important to you. You mention it quite frequently. Actually I have an 87% GP% (good post percentage). One of the highest on the board. MisterD was the first one to bring a metric like this up....for the record. I'm just referencing what he clearly values. Completely taken out of context, but okay. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 12, 2021 17:12:14 GMT -5
MisterD was the first one to bring a metric like this up....for the record. I'm just referencing what he clearly values. Completely taken out of context, but okay. good thing you and Joe are here to clarify his posts and defend him. I'm sure it is highly appreciated by all. |
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