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Post by 23won on Apr 17, 2021 12:26:49 GMT -5
I'm confused because I'm pretty sure she's not line item-ing sports teams and is in fact just listening people who's job it is to make these decisions. I can point to several decisions she made unilaterally without listening to people whose job it is to make the decisions. Do tell. Inquiring minds want to know
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Apr 23, 2021 18:37:40 GMT -5
Sure seems like the baseball team is giving the administration a big middle finger by having their best season in a LONG time. Can they drop a team that makes the NCAAs for the first time, maybe ever? (slight sarcasm here)
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 23, 2021 19:30:44 GMT -5
Def makes up for the 74-142-1 conference record over the last nine seasons. That’s all La Salle’s website.
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Post by explorers2013 on Apr 23, 2021 19:42:22 GMT -5
They’ve had back to back top 100 recruiting classes and actually have a solid coaching staff and it was a growing name around the showcase circuit before the announcement. What a time to cut the program.
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 24, 2021 10:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by stlexplorer on Apr 24, 2021 14:47:53 GMT -5
Baseball and volleyball having best seasons in decades or ever before getting dropped is just a kick to the onions
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Post by explorerman on Apr 24, 2021 17:21:39 GMT -5
$$$$$$$
And they want use the facilities for other purposes..
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 24, 2021 17:27:00 GMT -5
And it’s super recency bias to be upset because of their recent success. Both teams were the worst in the A10 for literal decades.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 24, 2021 20:27:48 GMT -5
And it’s super recency bias to be upset because of their recent success. Both teams were the worst in the A10 for literal decades. that may be true, but then Bradshaw was told by his boss to go out and hire the best coaches he could. And....well....seems he did for those sports.
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Post by explorerman on May 3, 2021 11:46:00 GMT -5
Men’s Swimming is saved.. Congrats to the alumni base that was able to get the $$$$ together... Well deserved and glad to have then back
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Post by louth on May 3, 2021 13:53:59 GMT -5
Hopefully baseball and softball meet their necessary dollars as well.
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Post by explorers2013 on May 3, 2021 14:27:09 GMT -5
Does anyone know what changed from the initial $9m figure the baseball team was told they had to raise now being told $1-$2m will get it done? Does it have anything to do with the change of presidents?
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Post by explorerman on May 3, 2021 18:29:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know what changed from the initial $9m figure the baseball team was told they had to raise now being told $1-$2m will get it done? Does it have anything to do with the change of presidents? Neither $9mm was ever the number to fundraise nor was cutting Baseball was her idea...
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Post by joe on May 3, 2021 18:35:16 GMT -5
That is great about swimming but rumor has it there was a reduction in scholarships. I hope La Salle releases more info on how this sport was save.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 10, 2021 7:28:19 GMT -5
La Salle baseball, nearing its permanent end, keeps on winning and winningwww.inquirer.com/college-sports/la-salle/la-salle-baseball-20210510.html“Representatives of the baseball program presented a case on April 15 to a committee of the University’s Board of Trustees,’' the school said in a statement last week. “Based on the case presented, a request to reinstate the program will not move forward to the full Board and the University considers this matter closed.”
Did Explorers coach David Miller know, coming into this year, that his guys had a shot to do something a little special?
“Believe it or not, I did,’' Miller said. “We had three nationally-ranked recruiting classes in my first three years. I had a five-year plan. Our plan was to be at this level next year. This is Year Four. What I feel is, when the news broke that our program was being cut, these guys got angry, they got motivated. We just had to push it up – five-year plan gets rushed into four.”
Miller points out that nine players transferred out after the fall semester. Lost three good pitchers. The starting shortstop and third baseman both left.
A La Salle parent, finding out he was talking to a reporter, mentioned a sort of a screw-you by these players toward the university itself as a driving force.
“Yeah, I wouldn’t necessarily say screw you, because up until this year, it’s provided me a great home and great friends,’' Scanlon said. “But to slap us in the face like that, after the team we had last year, and look what we’re doing this year, and still not have second thoughts about it, is pretty insulting.”
“I’m a tough guy, but this is bull---,’' Miller said. “These kids deserve better. What hurts me is that this institution can’t come out and say what they actually have. Give us a chance.”
He repeated himself.
“Give us a chance. What’s wrong with having a winning baseball team in your program? That’s what hurts the most. Because these kids want to be here. Not one of these kids has committed to another university yet because they’re all holding out hope that La Salle will come to their senses.”
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2021 7:35:05 GMT -5
Jensen killing it yet again. For everyone that thinks we should wave a magic wand and save baseball, can you explain how it makes sense from a financial solvency standpoint?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 10, 2021 8:28:26 GMT -5
Jensen killing it yet again. For everyone that thinks we should wave a magic wand and save baseball, can you explain how it makes sense from a financial solvency standpoint? Hard to say since, as Jensen points out, the finances are "murky". Feels like a lack of transparency and no one ever really telling them a number and the matter is now "closed". That the tuition revenue doesn't impact the athletic expenses seems less holistic than I had hoped. It doesn't surprise me though. It came out a few years ago that donations made to a specific department in a fiscal year must be spent in that fiscal year or end up in a common pot to be disbursed as finance sees fit (this was a change made under the current administration). That means that a donation given on Day of Giving in March must be spent by May 31 of that year or it could end up not going to the designated department... and it takes weeks to get the money to the department after the DoG. That's why I started giving to endowed categories...it goes right to that recipient and finance can't redirect it.
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Post by sidclassof69 on May 10, 2021 8:31:11 GMT -5
Makes sense from a financial standpoint ?🤔🤔🤔- Of course not! Makes sense from every other standpoint🤔🤔🤔- YES! College baseball was never a money making sport , in the history of Northeastern USA . It was + is a sport for friends, parents , grandparents, etc to come and enjoy( as part of a connection to that particular institution) It has a rich history+ should remain a constant at a school that likes to talk about the “ Total Experience” of attending aschool. I know there are financial difficulties ( especially in this day + age)- but wouldn’t it be nice to , somehow, find a benefactor or benefactors to save such traditional programs, such as Collegiate Baseball? I know this rant is probably unrealistic- but I just felt like venting, this morning Thank you, for your time
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2021 8:39:03 GMT -5
Jensen killing it yet again. For everyone that thinks we should wave a magic wand and save baseball, can you explain how it makes sense from a financial solvency standpoint? Hard to say since, as Jensen points out, the finances are "murky". Feels like a lack of transparency and no one ever really telling them a number and the matter is now "closed". Yeah, the idea that the nine million dollar number (which I think has to be over 10 years) can't be stated is weird being that they are so incredibly far away from reaching it. I do feel like their 500k raised number is also questionable because La Salle was able to state that swimming did a certain amount of work to reach their number that baseball hasn't done. I'm glad they're having success and sorry that it's coming right before they are about to be jettisoned, but the recent success should not change the fact that the team was bad for decades and this decision was in motion prior to the possible 2nd place finish in the Atlantic 10.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 10, 2021 8:53:12 GMT -5
Couldn't one make the financial argument about multiple parts of the University? Does the Collegian generate revenue more than expense? Track? The philosophy department? The various VPs of departments? I think they need to look at the holistic experience of students. If the number in the article is correct, and baseball brings in $550K in Net Revenue to the school on $250K of expense, and if we assume those baseball kids go elsewhere, isn't La Salle giving up $300K per annum?
Now...maybe they want the baseball land for something else...expanding the track to host meets, building a basketball practice facility, whatever...that can generate more revenue...then it makes financial sense. But is that the plan? If that were communicated, maybe there would be less angst or uncertainty about the program getting the axe.
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Post by explorer88 on May 10, 2021 9:01:54 GMT -5
I am not really in tune with this whole process. I haven't researched it so I am deferring to those who have been really following this. All I know if we are cutting sports. It has happened to other schools and the reasons probably vary quite a bit.
My question, which may not have been admitted or announced by the school that I have seen, is what are the reasons for the cuts? Is it to save the school from funding these programs and using those resources for the general fund? Other parts of the school? More funding for the basketball program? I read on Twitter someone saying they are using those funds for the Hayman renovation.
Does anyone really know the reason for the cuts?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2021 9:06:57 GMT -5
Couldn't one make the financial argument about multiple parts of the University? Does the Collegian generate revenue more than expense? Track? The philosophy department? The various VPs of departments? I think they need to look at the holistic experience of students. If the number in the article is correct, and baseball brings in $550K in Net Revenue to the school on $250K of expense, and if we assume those baseball kids go elsewhere, isn't La Salle giving up $300K per annum? Now...maybe they want the baseball land for something else...expanding the track to host meets, building a basketball practice facility, whatever...that can generate more revenue...then it makes financial sense. But is that the plan? If that were communicated, maybe there would be less angst or uncertainty about the program getting the axe. So Track did back when I was there. Torp had almost 100 athletes, 75% of which were getting no athletic money. I know he reminded Brennan of that. I do not know what the current state of that team is. But none of the other things you mentioned make money. The key is just not losing a ton of money. Let's assume the 550k revenue number (which isn't official, it was quoted to the Class of 2016 graduate) is correct. There's no way the expense of the baseball team is only 250k. What do the coaches make? How much is the spring trip? Bus trips and gear? I don't know maybe I'm wrong. *** Final thing on your last paragraph. Maybe the administration didn't like the baseball team bringing in a jackass to peddle bad takes about their university to his millions of followers. Can't say you want to be respected but also go the Dave Portnoy route.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 10, 2021 9:08:35 GMT -5
I am not really in tune with this whole process. I haven't researched it so I am deferring to those who have been really following this. All I know if we are cutting sports. It has happened to other schools and the reasons probably vary quite a bit. My question, which may not have been admitted or announced by the school that I have seen, is what are the reasons for the cuts? Is it to save the school from funding these programs and using those resources for the general fund? Other parts of the school? More funding for the basketball program? I read on Twitter someone saying they are using those funds for the Hayman renovation. Does anyone really know the reason for the cuts? From the announcement in the fall - basketball not mentioned: It's important to note that this was not a cost-cutting decision, but rather a strategic effort to reallocate our investment in a way that better aligns with our student-centered mission. This decision will allow us to reinvest existing resources and improve our ability to provide an exceptional student-athlete experience in a competitive, high-quality Division I program. It is difficult to provide financial savings in one total, as savings will be realized as student-athletes come off athletic aid over the next few years and varsity competition concludes at the end of the 2020-21 school year. Wage and operating costs will also add to the savings. These savings, however, were not the sole reason this decision was made. The student-athlete experience is very important to us. With the savings realized, we will look to enhance critical student-athlete support areas, reallocate athletic scholarship funds to our women’s programs to better equip them for regional and national competition, and invest in other underfunded Olympic sport programs.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 10, 2021 9:17:20 GMT -5
There's no way the expense of the baseball team is only 250k. What do the coaches make? How much is the spring trip? Bus trips and gear? I don't know maybe I'm wrong. That's what Jensen reported from a public source, if you don't think that's correct, you either think Jensen is reporting it incorrectly, or La Salle is accounting for it incorrectly to the Dept. of Education: According to the Equity in Athletics data reported by La Salle to the Department of Education, baseball’s expenses for the fiscal year ending in 2019 were $249,282, second highest to basketball.
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Post by explorers2013 on May 10, 2021 9:25:01 GMT -5
Couldn't one make the financial argument about multiple parts of the University? Does the Collegian generate revenue more than expense? Track? The philosophy department? The various VPs of departments? I think they need to look at the holistic experience of students. If the number in the article is correct, and baseball brings in $550K in Net Revenue to the school on $250K of expense, and if we assume those baseball kids go elsewhere, isn't La Salle giving up $300K per annum? Now...maybe they want the baseball land for something else...expanding the track to host meets, building a basketball practice facility, whatever...that can generate more revenue...then it makes financial sense. But is that the plan? If that were communicated, maybe there would be less angst or uncertainty about the program getting the axe. This would be a classic La Salle move, spends hundreds of thousands maybe even over 1m to redo the turf and then say never mind we are going to cut the baseball program and build something else here.
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Post by 1801olney on May 10, 2021 9:29:25 GMT -5
Still crying about Portnoy hahahaha
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Post by neverlost91 on May 10, 2021 9:39:21 GMT -5
Couldn't one make the financial argument about multiple parts of the University? Does the Collegian generate revenue more than expense? Track? The philosophy department? The various VPs of departments? I think they need to look at the holistic experience of students. If the number in the article is correct, and baseball brings in $550K in Net Revenue to the school on $250K of expense, and if we assume those baseball kids go elsewhere, isn't La Salle giving up $300K per annum? Now...maybe they want the baseball land for something else...expanding the track to host meets, building a basketball practice facility, whatever...that can generate more revenue...then it makes financial sense. But is that the plan? If that were communicated, maybe there would be less angst or uncertainty about the program getting the axe. So Track did back when I was there. Torp had almost 100 athletes, 75% of which were getting no athletic money. I know he reminded Brennan of that. I do not know what the current state of that team is. But none of the other things you mentioned make money. The key is just not losing a ton of money. Let's assume the 550k revenue number (which isn't official, it was quoted to the Class of 2016 graduate) is correct. There's no way the expense of the baseball team is only 250k. What do the coaches make? How much is the spring trip? Bus trips and gear? I don't know maybe I'm wrong. From my understanding the baseball team only has 2 paid coaches this year. The big expense would be the away trips but from looking at the past 5 years they have only had one Spring Break trip where they were gone for more than a weekend and that was in 2017. The 250k number is fairly reasonable imo.
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Post by MisterD on May 10, 2021 10:03:13 GMT -5
Coaches, travel, field maintenance, insurance(?) ... I don't see how it could possibly be just $250K.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2021 10:10:49 GMT -5
There's no way the expense of the baseball team is only 250k. What do the coaches make? How much is the spring trip? Bus trips and gear? I don't know maybe I'm wrong. That's what Jensen reported from a public source, if you don't think that's correct, you either think Jensen is reporting it incorrectly, or La Salle is accounting for it incorrectly to the Dept. of Education: According to the Equity in Athletics data reported by La Salle to the Department of Education, baseball’s expenses for the fiscal year ending in 2019 were $249,282, second highest to basketball. No I believe it...I just don't get how that is possible. Coaches, travel, field maintenance, insurance(?) ... I don't see how it could possibly be just $250K. Exactly!
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 10, 2021 10:12:34 GMT -5
Still crying about Portnoy hahahaha The baseball team that wants so badly to be saved brought in a guy that killed the university publicly on his well-trafficked social media feeds and then the same baseball team doesn't believe that the administration is being fair and upfront with them about how to save the baseball team. Can't have it both ways. And I don't blame the kids for trying, but you can't also blame people in the administration for being upset that they went the Portnoy route.
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