MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 15:55:34 GMT -5
Garland's wasn't a buzzer beater, there was still time on the clock.
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 21, 2019 15:59:24 GMT -5
We had the ball with 32 seconds and it should never have come down to the last second unless we took the shot. I guess we could have took the shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and if we missed and the Bonnies got the ball that clock operating would not have started the clock when they were taking a desperation shot. We should have taken care of business. When was the last time La Salle won on a true buzzer beater other than the SW Philly Floater? I can only remember Sherman Diaz hitting a corner jumper to beat Dayton at home. That would have been 12 years ago. Duren at Northeastern in 2012-13, if i recall correctly. Galloway very late against Butler that season, as well.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 21, 2019 16:05:16 GMT -5
We had the ball with 32 seconds and it should never have come down to the last second unless we took the shot. I guess we could have took the shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and if we missed and the Bonnies got the ball that clock operating would not have started the clock when they were taking a desperation shot. We should have taken care of business. When was the last time La Salle won on a true buzzer beater other than the SW Philly Floater? I can only remember Sherman Diaz hitting a corner jumper to beat Dayton at home. That would have been 12 years ago. Duren at Northeastern in 2012-13, if i recall correctly. Galloway very late against Butler that season, as well. Forgot both of those. Good call.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 16:09:15 GMT -5
What do you guys want done? This is the best you'd ever get. You aren't getting a re-do. You aren't getting an apology. Refs aren't going to be publicly reprimanded. Put on the big boy pants and move on.
We should have made sure the game didn't come down to some miracle in-bounds play with 3 seconds left. The refs didn't lose this for us - we took care of that on our own. And we're mortally upset that this happened during what might be a sub-10 win season why? This is what pisses you off?
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Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 16:16:56 GMT -5
I don't know, man. Officiating incompetence is upsetting regardless of timing.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 16:19:04 GMT -5
I don't know, man. Officiating incompetence is upsetting regardless of timing. This might be a compliment, but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 21, 2019 16:25:41 GMT -5
What do you guys want done? This is the best you'd ever get. You aren't getting a re-do. You aren't getting an apology. Refs aren't going to be publicly reprimanded. Put on the big boy pants and move on. We should have made sure the game didn't come down to some miracle in-bounds play with 3 seconds left. The refs didn't lose this for us - we took care of that on our own. And we're mortally upset that this happened during what might be a sub-10 win season why? This is what pisses you off? At least ten different Bonnie posters on their board said the decision at the end was terrible. Some thought it should be a "re-do". So it is something people are discussing. There will be an article by Mike Jensen either today or tomorrow. BTW Ashley got high compliments from the Bonnie fans and the local media for how he and the team handled the situation. Refs get reprimanded all the time. Some are left off the A10 tournament list. Some get dropped from the league. So yes it matters. It's a big deal when the league puts out a public announcement. Count the number of times they do that? Agreed the game was lost by the players but you want the rules enforced properly. Also the clock operator probably gets suspended or fired.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 16:32:48 GMT -5
I'm not arguing that the refs botched the sequence or that they shouldn't face discipline. Because they should. But we're not going to get an apology, we're only going to get a series of vague words about the actions involving the refs if we're lucky, and we aren't getting a re-do. I mean, has a game or sequence ever been replayed after the teams went home in any league ever?
So which one you guys is going to sue like the Saints fan?
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Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 16:51:12 GMT -5
I don't think we're getting a re-do*, but just on principle/precedent we need to pursue it until there's decent resolution.
* I think we're better off with this one in our pocket anyway, our odds of winning on a play like this can't be better than like 15% or something
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 16:56:25 GMT -5
I get that, and I'm all for pushing for answers because incompetence left unchecked breeds. But I'm hung up that all things considered, it was fairly meaningless game at the tail-end of pretty meaningless season.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 16:56:58 GMT -5
On the flipside, you finally got to see me invested in a result this year.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 21, 2019 18:29:28 GMT -5
A buddy of mine who has reffed DII and DIII games said you really can't have a re-do. This was his response to me - U don’t cancel action that happened in a case like this. The play would have had to have been blown dead while the ball was in the air for that to happen.
I'm sure we'll get the vague A10 statement explaining the error and why it can't be replayed.
I guess what pissed me off the most wasn't necessarily the refs just saying the game was over, it was the fact they did it with no explanation to the coaches/scorers table/radio-TV announcers. Don't just wave it off and run off the court.
Finally, as far as the clock operator, I won't besmirch the person, shit happens. The clock op, along with all of the scorers table staff, are hired by the school. I can see him/her maybe getting a reprimand, but I doubt they would get fired. Let's just hope something similar doesn't happen when a bubble team is playing there either later this year or in seasons to come.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 21, 2019 18:35:42 GMT -5
A buddy of mine who has reffed DII and DIII games said you really can't have a re-do. This was his response to me - U don’t cancel action that happened in a case like this. The play would have had to have been blown dead while the ball was in the air for that to happen. This is untrue.
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Post by 23won on Feb 21, 2019 19:20:35 GMT -5
If there were justice in this the A10 should sanction these refs by giving them game assignments only in Olean for the next two years.
Ramon’s game winner against Butler was the most fun I had at La Salle without having sex. I still vividly remember the shot and the post game celebration.
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Post by thecoffeecake on Feb 21, 2019 19:52:15 GMT -5
I get that, and I'm all for pushing for answers because incompetence left unchecked breeds. But I'm hung up that all things considered, it was fairly meaningless game at the tail-end of pretty meaningless season. I don't understand how you guys can think any games are meaningless right now when you're chasing a decent seed for the tournament. A win would've tied you with SBU and brought you within a game of Duquesne and SLU, and 2 games of both GMU and Dayton. That's striking distance with 5 left.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 19:53:09 GMT -5
There’s no way a replay can’t happen; the incentive to “mess up” would be tremendous.
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 21, 2019 20:03:01 GMT -5
I feel like you can absolutely have a redo. Not after the fact but when they went to the monitor they could have absolutely put that time back on the clock
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 20:12:47 GMT -5
There's a strong argument for doing a re-do during the game or before , but has a portion of a basketball game ever been replayed due to an official's error. Its not like the sport has the protest clause like baseball.
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Post by coachd on Feb 21, 2019 20:17:19 GMT -5
What do you guys want done? This is the best you'd ever get. You aren't getting a re-do. You aren't getting an apology. Refs aren't going to be publicly reprimanded. Put on the big boy pants and move on. We should have made sure the game didn't come down to some miracle in-bounds play with 3 seconds left. The refs didn't lose this for us - we took care of that on our own. And we're mortally upset that this happened during what might be a sub-10 win season why? This is what pisses you off? The next thing you know durenduren will deny point-shaving and re-instate NYU and CCNY basketball. We have a clock-shaving scandal and the little guy is in denial! This is from 2010 but let's not forget the welding scandal at SBU... bleacherreport.com/articles/468221-the-25-biggest-scandals-in-ncaa-history
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 21, 2019 20:26:38 GMT -5
Rule 11-C-2
Art 1. Officials may use such available equipment only in the following situations:
Timing:
Determine whether the shot clock malfunctioned or a timing mistake occurred in failing to properly start, stop, set or reset the shot clock. The malfunction or mistake may only be corrected in the shot clock period in which it occurred. Any activity after the mistake or malfunction has been committed and until it has been rectified shall be canceled, excluding a flagrant 1 or 2 personal foul or any technical foul.
Another rule clarifies that if the shot clock is turned off, the shot clock and game clock are the same.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 20:34:15 GMT -5
What do you guys want done? This is the best you'd ever get. You aren't getting a re-do. You aren't getting an apology. Refs aren't going to be publicly reprimanded. Put on the big boy pants and move on. We should have made sure the game didn't come down to some miracle in-bounds play with 3 seconds left. The refs didn't lose this for us - we took care of that on our own. And we're mortally upset that this happened during what might be a sub-10 win season why? This is what pisses you off? The next thing you know durenduren will deny point-shaving and re-instate NYU and CCNY basketball. We have a clock-shaving scandal and the little guy is in denial! This is from 2010 but let's not forget the welding scandal at SBU... bleacherreport.com/articles/468221-the-25-biggest-scandals-in-ncaa-historyAren't you due to say something stupid about Kaepernick or something? You can't even pick an argument correctly. Your link was irrelevant.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 21, 2019 20:55:34 GMT -5
There's a strong argument for doing a re-do during the game or before , but has a portion of a basketball game ever been replayed due to an official's error. 1972 Olympics gold medal game.
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Post by glorydays on Feb 21, 2019 21:27:20 GMT -5
There's a strong argument for doing a re-do during the game or before , but has a portion of a basketball game ever been replayed due to an official's error. 1972 Olympics gold medal game. Those commie bastard officials actually ran the inbound play like 3 times until they got the result they wanted.
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Post by golasalle on Feb 21, 2019 21:30:30 GMT -5
There’s no way a replay can’t happen; the incentive to “mess up” would be tremendous. Exactly
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Post by durenduren on Feb 21, 2019 21:40:54 GMT -5
There's a strong argument for doing a re-do during the game or before , but has a portion of a basketball game ever been replayed due to an official's error. 1972 Olympics gold medal game. An example that didn't involve Communists and an 'official' who wasn't even official telling the real officials to replay the end of the game a bazillion times, please. Crazy story though.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 21, 2019 22:14:14 GMT -5
1972 Olympics gold medal game. An example that didn't involve Communists and an 'official' who wasn't even official telling the real officials to replay the end of the game a bazillion times, please. Crazy story though. well..technically it answered your question. I remember a 30 for 30 about it a while back, so it popped into my mind. Something tells me there won't be a 30 for 30 with this...
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Post by glorydays on Feb 22, 2019 7:34:59 GMT -5
1972 Olympics gold medal game. An example that didn't involve Communists and an 'official' who wasn't even official telling the real officials to replay the end of the game a bazillion times, please. Crazy story though. Humor. Apologies to all communists and their sympathizers. Actually it may have been Frank Gifford's play by play made the game memorable. Hank Iba did get outcoached. That was his Olympic swansong. One thing about Hank: he was not then nor ever had been a member of the Communist Party.
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 22, 2019 8:18:48 GMT -5
Something tells me there won't be a 30 for 30 with this... There might be A 10 for 10...
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Post by coachd on Feb 22, 2019 12:55:15 GMT -5
Haven't seen any official statement yet from A10 or Bradshaw.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 22, 2019 13:56:24 GMT -5
Haven't seen any official statement yet from A10 or Bradshaw. Hey, numb-nuts.
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