|
Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 20, 2019 22:09:28 GMT -5
I can't understand why the refs didn't reset the clock to 3.1 and do-over the final play. Since the clock started before we even in-bounded the ball, clearly there was an "equipment malfunction"/"operator error" that should've made the play invalid before it ever started.
|
|
MisterD
The Baptist Himself
Voted Most Popular Poster 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023
Posts: 8,438
Likes: 6,366
|
Post by MisterD on Feb 20, 2019 22:10:03 GMT -5
The fact that the horn sounded before time should have been up ON THE ROAD has to be a re-do at the very least. How can they just let that stand and how can Howard not get retroactive techs losing his goddamn mind?
|
|
|
Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 20, 2019 22:17:28 GMT -5
These refs should be immediately suspended from officiating any A10 games pending action by the league office. They had the benefit of replay to get this right and chose to ignore it. It's gross incompetence.
|
|
|
Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 20, 2019 22:18:15 GMT -5
I'm also surprised that Ash didn't lose his damn mind.
|
|
|
Post by durenduren on Feb 20, 2019 22:50:08 GMT -5
We should rehire John Gyminimi. His antics would have got us out of this predicament.
|
|
|
Post by Gnocchi on Feb 20, 2019 22:57:51 GMT -5
3.1 seconds were left on the clock at the start of the in-bounds play. The ball was first touched at 1.3 or 1.4 seconds from what I saw on ESPN+. Agree on 1.3 seconds left when Croswell touched the ball, which should’ve been at the original 3.1 seconds. Time expired with the red light going on before Pookie got to the ball and threw up a prayer. From running the video back it looks like it took about .3 seconds after time expired for Pookie to get the ball, making the elapsed time 1.6 seconds. So Pookie should’ve had the ball going toward the corner with about 1.5 seconds left. Instead, he saw the read light already on. If the correct 1.5 seconds had shown on the clock, that could’ve left time for a shot fake and foul on a 3-pointer by Bonnies’ out-of-control defender. Who knows? Given all that, I go along with those calling for a redo of the entire 3.1 seconds as the only sensible decision after the clock operator error. The 3 clowns spent more than 5 minutes destroying both teams’ rhythm and the drama of the game on the earlier review before finally, and correctly, sticking with the original call. Then they blew off the last video review with the game on the line in 30 seconds...
|
|
|
Post by gymrat67 on Feb 20, 2019 23:05:45 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 21, 2019 5:46:27 GMT -5
This was valuable because I learned for some reason I’m blocked on Twitter by the guy Andrew Greth who posted the video. I guess it’s possible there’s a good reason for it, but I’ve got a pretty good memory and I can’t remember ever interacting with him. I think he posts here or did.
|
|
|
Post by 23won on Feb 21, 2019 8:35:38 GMT -5
I found it odd that Deas was not in the game for the last shot last night. When he wasn’t in the huddle I thought he must have fouled out but the no score said otherwise. If so I can’t see why your top 3 shooter wasn’t in to give two scoring options for the last shot
|
|
|
Post by jellybean on Feb 21, 2019 8:43:05 GMT -5
I found it odd that Deas was not in the game for the last shot last night. When he wasn’t in the huddle I thought he must have fouled out but the no score said otherwise. If so I can’t see why your top 3 shooter wasn’t in to give two scoring options for the last shot BINGO. Miles was in the game. I can only figure he was in because we are looking for a tip in. Let's face it, rebounding and in particular offensive rebounding is not his strong suit. I would rather have a quicker guy to get a loose ball. I would also have a player who could attempt a shot from a little distance which again is not a strength of Miles. Oh well. Tough loss. Time to move on to Richmond which is just as important for seeding. I hope Ashley was NOT using this as a "teachable moment" because of the turnover.
|
|
|
Post by explorerman on Feb 21, 2019 9:02:10 GMT -5
It’s Olean.. Very well known of home cooking.. Literally by the home clock operator..
The A-10 has let this go on for a long time I.e. bad refs.. They aren’t going to change, which is a shame there is too much money and time invested by everyone to allow this to happen.. It undermines the credibility of the A-10 brand as something to be taken seriously because they don’t take it seriously..
|
|
|
Post by stlexplorer on Feb 21, 2019 9:05:38 GMT -5
Just continuing my thoughts from the St. Louis game. How the A-10 allows this to happen and by not resetting the clock they are letting it happen is beyond ridiculous.
|
|
|
Post by a10 on Feb 21, 2019 10:38:13 GMT -5
I didn't see the game but just looked at the boxscore........4 free throws for us compared to 17 for St. Bonaventure??
Hmmmm....................
|
|
|
Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 21, 2019 10:39:52 GMT -5
on the a10 board, i saw a st bonaventure fan criticizing ashley for going for the long pass. he thought it was better to have someone dribble it up under pressure and throw up a desperation three somewhere around halfcourt. i disagree.
personally, i thought it was a great play call and it just might have worked if the timekeeper and officials did their job.
great pass by david beatty, great job going up, getting it, and re-directing it to pookie on the right wing by ed croswell (despite him getting hammered). that left only one defender to cover both pookie and miles, so pookie would have had the option of shooting an open three, doing a ball fake and pulling up for a baseline jumper, or dumping it off to miles for a layup. the game could have easily been won or gone overtime.
the a10 needs to reprimand the timekeeper and the officials. what happened was inexcusable.
let me just say, i love this team. there is no quit in them. i expect them to come out pissed off on saturday.
it's a big game. a win goes a long way towards keeping them out of the bottom four and still gives them an outside shot at the 7 seed. and if we can't get the 7 seed, i'd prefer they fall to 10th which would keep them on the other side of the bracket from vcu. don't want this season to end anytime soon.
|
|
|
Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 21, 2019 10:45:35 GMT -5
I didn't see the game but just looked at the boxscore........4 free throws for us compared to 17 for St. Bonaventure?? Hmmmm.................... i know some people will point to the discrepancy in three point attempts (st bona shot 3-15, la salle shot 10-28) but st bona only got off 3 more shots inside the arc than la salle (36 to 33). for us to only go to the line 4 times was a crime.
|
|
MisterD
The Baptist Himself
Voted Most Popular Poster 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023
Posts: 8,438
Likes: 6,366
|
Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 11:44:20 GMT -5
|
|
MisterD
The Baptist Himself
Voted Most Popular Poster 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023
Posts: 8,438
Likes: 6,366
|
Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 11:48:47 GMT -5
Even if you want to play nice and say "starting the clock was just human error and everyone makes mistakes!", there's no way the refs can review and call the game. If there's 0.5 and we threw a pass after receiving the inbounds, fine, the clock error doesn't change that the play would fail. But the buzzer sounded mid-play, altering the structure. That is, at worst, a do-over where they get the benefit of having seen our play. At best, they're punished because its their court and their error and we get it at half court or something.
(Its a really, really good thing this outcome didn't technically matter.)
|
|
|
Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 21, 2019 11:51:34 GMT -5
(Its a really, really good thing this outcome didn't technically matter.) It could matter for seeding in the A10 tournament if we finish tied with them in the standings...we now lose the tiebreaker. The difference between being a 7 seed versus an 8 seed is big.
|
|
|
Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 21, 2019 11:53:00 GMT -5
Even more disturbing...the communications people at the A10 office don't seem to know the difference between "insuring" and "ensuring" in their statement.
|
|
|
Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 21, 2019 12:05:40 GMT -5
Agreed
|
|
MisterD
The Baptist Himself
Voted Most Popular Poster 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023
Posts: 8,438
Likes: 6,366
|
Post by MisterD on Feb 21, 2019 12:14:13 GMT -5
(Its a really, really good thing this outcome didn't technically matter.) It could matter for seeding in the A10 tournament if we finish tied with them in the standings...we now lose the tiebreaker. The difference between being a 7 seed versus an 8 seed is big. Stand by my comment.
|
|
|
Post by blueandgold on Feb 21, 2019 12:36:35 GMT -5
Even more disturbing...the communications people at the A10 office don't seem to know the difference between "insuring" and "ensuring" in their statement. Commence the five-minute replay huddle at 11827 Canon Blvd., Suite 200 Newport News, VA:
|
|
|
Post by 23won on Feb 21, 2019 13:44:20 GMT -5
I believe you have my .... I could set the building ...
|
|
|
Post by stlexplorer on Feb 21, 2019 15:02:46 GMT -5
So what's going to come out of this besides a statement from the A-10 that says, "Sorry our crap refs cocked it up again".
|
|
|
Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 21, 2019 15:05:38 GMT -5
it could have worked ...... (watch the whole video, better quality video later)
|
|
|
Post by coachd on Feb 21, 2019 15:25:55 GMT -5
So is there any recourse for Bill Bradshaw? Can they replay that 3.1 seconds at a future date? Will the clock operator (4th official) be terminated? Will Lamar Simpson finally be terminated from officiating division one games?
|
|
|
Post by explorer88 on Feb 21, 2019 15:30:18 GMT -5
We had the ball with 32 seconds and it should never have come down to the last second unless we took the shot. I guess we could have took the shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and if we missed and the Bonnies got the ball that clock operating would not have started the clock when they were taking a desperation shot.
We should have taken care of business. When was the last time La Salle won on a true buzzer beater other than the SW Philly Floater? I can only remember Sherman Diaz hitting a corner jumper to beat Dayton at home. That would have been 12 years ago.
|
|
|
Post by coachd on Feb 21, 2019 15:30:59 GMT -5
Even more disturbing...the communications people at the A10 office don't seem to know the difference between "insuring" and "ensuring" in their statement. They will need insuring after we sue for gross misconduct and gross negligence by the officials! It is much more significant with gambling now legal in a ton of states also. They can't overlook the obvious anymore, this ain't 1994.
|
|
|
Post by coachd on Feb 21, 2019 15:33:05 GMT -5
We had the ball with 32 seconds and it should never have come down to the last second unless we took the shot. I guess we could have took the shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and if we missed and the Bonnies got the ball that clock operating would not have started the clock when they were taking a desperation shot. We should have taken care of business. When was the last time La Salle won on a true buzzer beater other than the SW Philly Floater? I can only remember Sherman Diaz hitting a corner jumper to beat Dayton at home. That would have been 12 years ago. Ty Duren had a couple in the Sweet 16 year.
|
|
|
Post by coachd on Feb 21, 2019 15:49:51 GMT -5
|
|