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Post by charmcityexplorer on Mar 6, 2017 13:35:09 GMT -5
Not the brightest bunch of kids applying there, though. They can come to La Salle and get a better education for more than half the cost. Sixty-five Large next year? You've gotta be kidding me. Also, I'm pretty sure that our application percentage has increased this year, as well. Can someone confirm this? |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 6, 2017 15:10:41 GMT -5
Not the brightest bunch of kids applying there, though. They can come to La Salle and get a better education for more than half the cost. Sixty-five Large next year? You've gotta be kidding me. Also, I'm pretty sure that our application percentage has increased this year, as well. Can someone confirm this? It's $65K all in with room and board. La Salle's is about $43K with the same for next year, so not really more than half the cost. I can confirm that La Salle applications are up in quality and quantity. Nova, however, is in a position to be much more selective now than in the past with the increased applicant pool. Several very bright kids from my son's school were deferred to regular decision from early action. They will likely get in regular decision, but still....shows the increased merits of the applicant pool. And..if they want to be engineers, they can't come to La Salle and get a "better education"...no engineering school. |
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 6, 2017 15:35:00 GMT -5
Misery loves company Dept.
Excerpts from posts today on St. Joe's basketball message board :
It's fun how, aside from the parts about winning, success, and donations, this sounds exactly like La Salle. I wonder if they'd saying the same thing if their season wasn't trashed by injuries. Among other notable parallels :
1. A number of Hawk Hill message board members would like both their AD and their Head MBB coach of many years standing to retire asap ;
2. They have " buyer's remorse " regarding the 2008-09 $20 million Hagan Arena Renovation ( characterized as " lipstick on a pig " ), which failed to add a meaningful number of new seats ( added 1000 new seats behind the baskets, bringing the total seating capacity to only 4200 seats ) instead of the desired 6000 + seats ;
3. General sentiment that SJU badly " squandered " the unique opportunity the University was presented with and failed to strategically capitalize on the 2003-2004 Jameer Nelson / Delonte West 30-2 NCAA basketball Season to achieve " liftoff " to raise their national profile both in MBB recruiting and in dramatically increasing freshmen enrollment Applications and tightening SJU's recent ( considered unacceptable ) much more relaxed ( 83 % ) academic Acceptance standards; and
4. Now that the money's already been spent, there is no chance in the foreseeable future of SJU being again in a position to compete on the level of comparable-size basketball schools like Gonzaga, Creighton, Xavier and Dayton who have leveraged their NCAA Tourney successes and other opportunities much more prudently.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 6, 2017 16:43:14 GMT -5
I'm sure 50% of fanbases are firing their coaches right now which speaks to either how smart fanbases are or how dumb fanbases are.
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 6, 2017 16:43:45 GMT -5
Another goal to set; I'd like to see this university leap frog a few competitors in the US World News rankings in Northeast. While rankings are flawed, I don't think the school's middling position is acceptable. Recognized as a value, even before reset, now lets get into top 10-15 in the northeast ranking game.
Earlier this winter, I was talking with a young person from western Montgomery County who is considering schools. Top two choices applied to; Villanova and City Avenue. Very little was known about La Salle, never crossed her mind and so not applied to. I told her about the reset which piqued interest.
A handful of years ago I was talking to an educator from a catholic high school in Lancaster County and she could not recall the last student that went to La Salle from her school. But Villanova and City Ave would usually pick up a few from the school every year. I know things at 20th and Olney are changing and I hope our profile has risen as a great option for kids in the Delaware Valley and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 2:11:59 GMT -5
Villanova is having a moment and I'm happy for them. Aside from the graduates who think "wine and cheese" are a basic food group, Villanova graduates are generally good people. I don't know that winning a national championship could have come at a better time for them, as they had so much to capitalize on. Aside from basketball success though, I'm glad La Salle isn't Villanova. As time goes on, the university has gotten less and less Catholic. I assume that, in my lifetime, they'll go completely secular. If La Salle did something similar, I'd probably never step foot on campus again. That's the general direction higher education and American life is going in general anyway, but I strongly believe in the value of a Catholic education. Villanova strongly believes in enrollment growth and building their brand, and most of that has come at the cost of its Catholic identity. Coincidentally, Jesus Christ gets a shoutout in Villanova's mission statement, but not La Salle's.
I also find the notion of selectivity hard to reconcile with Catholic identity. I know that there's a finite amount of people any university can accommodate, but it seems profoundly distasteful for them to essentially brag about all the people they didn't accept.
Ideally, a rise in La Salle's stature would be driven by La Salle, not a publication that doesn't have La Salle's interests at heart and whose stated values are antithetical to those that ought to be pursued by a Catholic institution.
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Mar 7, 2017 6:13:00 GMT -5
I a a strong proponent and supporter of Catholic education (graduated from a Catholic high school and law school, in addition to La Salle) and a very loyal "Brothers' boy." I am also not Catholic. Therefore, I do not find the notion of selectivity hard to reconcile with remaining true to Catholic identity or values. Those values transcend which church, synagogue, mosque, etc., one worships in, provided that he or she is a person of faith who respects these values.
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 7, 2017 7:53:06 GMT -5
Coincidentally, Jesus Christ gets a shoutout in Villanova's mission statement, but not La Salle's. Jesus Christ gets plenty of shoutouts at La Salle - they're highly concentrated between November and early March. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 7, 2017 7:56:31 GMT -5
Coincidentally, Jesus Christ gets a shoutout in Villanova's mission statement, but not La Salle's. Jesus Christ gets plenty of shoutouts at La Salle - they're highly concentrated between November and early March.  |
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Post by behoops on Mar 7, 2017 8:10:34 GMT -5
Villanova is having a moment and I'm happy for them. Aside from the graduates who think "wine and cheese" are a basic food group, Villanova graduates are generally good people. I don't know that winning a national championship could have come at a better time for them, as they had so much to capitalize on. Aside from basketball success though, I'm glad La Salle isn't Villanova. As time goes on, the university has gotten less and less Catholic. I assume that, in my lifetime, they'll go completely secular. If La Salle did something similar, I'd probably never step foot on campus again. That's the general direction higher education and American life is going in general anyway, but I strongly believe in the value of a Catholic education. Villanova strongly believes in enrollment growth and building their brand, and most of that has come at the cost of its Catholic identity. Coincidentally, Jesus Christ gets a shoutout in Villanova's mission statement, but not La Salle's. I also find the notion of selectivity hard to reconcile with Catholic identity. I know that there's a finite amount of people any university can accommodate, but it seems profoundly distasteful for them to essentially brag about all the people they didn't accept. Ideally, a rise in La Salle's stature would be driven by La Salle, not a publication that doesn't have La Salle's interests at heart and whose stated values are antithetical to those that ought to be pursued by a Catholic institution. Villanova is not looking to increase their enrollment from 6300 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 8:47:55 GMT -5
Villanova is having a moment and I'm happy for them. Aside from the graduates who think "wine and cheese" are a basic food group, Villanova graduates are generally good people. I don't know that winning a national championship could have come at a better time for them, as they had so much to capitalize on. Aside from basketball success though, I'm glad La Salle isn't Villanova. As time goes on, the university has gotten less and less Catholic. I assume that, in my lifetime, they'll go completely secular. If La Salle did something similar, I'd probably never step foot on campus again. That's the general direction higher education and American life is going in general anyway, but I strongly believe in the value of a Catholic education. Villanova strongly believes in enrollment growth and building their brand, and most of that has come at the cost of its Catholic identity. Coincidentally, Jesus Christ gets a shoutout in Villanova's mission statement, but not La Salle's. I also find the notion of selectivity hard to reconcile with Catholic identity. I know that there's a finite amount of people any university can accommodate, but it seems profoundly distasteful for them to essentially brag about all the people they didn't accept. Ideally, a rise in La Salle's stature would be driven by La Salle, not a publication that doesn't have La Salle's interests at heart and whose stated values are antithetical to those that ought to be pursued by a Catholic institution. Villanova is not looking to increase their enrollment from 6300 It's 6400 now, and 10k+ when you consider the 35% of students that aren't undergrads, which itself grew 20% last year alone. Enrollment growth also involves test scores and GPA, which is mentioned like three times in the university strategic plan. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 7, 2017 10:10:11 GMT -5
I agree that bragging about selectivity is distasteful but Villanova has always been a haughty bunch. The selectivity creates the air of exclusiveness which feeds right into their brand and ultimately into kids wanting to matriculate there.
Selectivity is compatible with Catholicism if based on God given intelligence, talents and hard work. Jesus selected his apostles, the curia is selected and selects, and anybody just can't walk into St. Charles Seminary.
I think La Salle, since applications are up significantly, will be more selective on offers. After all, this is not a first come first served operation. As the President said in a recent interview, the school continues to provide first in family college educations to a good number of students and also enroll those who have greater means and can pay more for the education.
As put by one long time member here; "Let's not do Temple's job for them."
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 7, 2017 10:38:54 GMT -5
Aside from basketball success though, I'm glad La Salle isn't Villanova. As time goes on, the university has gotten less and less Catholic. I assume that, in my lifetime, they'll go completely secular. If La Salle did something similar, I'd probably never step foot on campus again. That's the general direction higher education and American life is going in general anyway, but I strongly believe in the value of a Catholic education. Villanova strongly believes in enrollment growth and building their brand, and most of that has come at the cost of its Catholic identity. At the risk of turning this into a "Who's more Catholic thread." I think this is an inaccurate assessment of Villanova's Catholic identity. For example, the accepted student's day at Villanova this year included Mass in their chapel at the end of the day for anyone wishing to go. That was not even on the agenda for La Salle's program (and after the curses I uttered during the Richmond game, I probably needed Confession first). Additionally, think about which school allowed a campaign rally in the fall for HRC (not looking to make this political, but I'm fairly certain HRC's pro-choice stance was in conflict with a Catholic identity, and I heard from many alums who were really annoyed that the event was allowed to happen but pitched as a voter registration drive). Being on the college tours with my son for the past year, and comparing both to more secular institutions, I can say objectively that the Catholic identity in both schools shines through. |
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 7, 2017 13:19:10 GMT -5
Villanova is having a moment and I'm happy for them. Aside from the graduates who think "wine and cheese" are a basic food group, Villanova graduates are generally good people. I don't know that winning a national championship could have come at a better time for them, as they had so much to capitalize on. Aside from basketball success though, I'm glad La Salle isn't Villanova. As time goes on, the university has gotten less and less Catholic. I assume that, in my lifetime, they'll go completely secular. If La Salle did something similar, I'd probably never step foot on campus again. That's the general direction higher education and American life is going in general anyway, but I strongly believe in the value of a Catholic education. Villanova strongly believes in enrollment growth and building their brand, and most of that has come at the cost of its Catholic identity. Coincidentally, Jesus Christ gets a shoutout in Villanova's mission statement, but not La Salle's. I also find the notion of selectivity hard to reconcile with Catholic identity. I know that there's a finite amount of people any university can accommodate, but it seems profoundly distasteful for them to essentially brag about all the people they didn't accept. Ideally, a rise in La Salle's stature would be driven by La Salle, not a publication that doesn't have La Salle's interests at heart and whose stated values are antithetical to those that ought to be pursued by a Catholic institution. Villanova is not looking to increase their enrollment from 6300 I was greatly amused when I read that Villanova told the folks at Radnor Township this in order to : (1) obtain the Township's approval to construct their 6 new dormitories along Lancaster Ave., and (2) to placate the locals who were up in arms about partying, rabble - rousing VU upper classmen living in rental houses and apartments in the surrounding residential neighborhoods like Bryn Mawr.
Villanova's ( ultimately successful ) argument was that once these new Dorms were built all of these VU juniors and seniors would happily move back into University housing on campus until they graduated  .
Everybody knows that most college students want to move off-campus after 2 years in University Dorms ( not to mention " Dorm food " ). I will be surprised and amazed if , henceforth, significant numbers of VU upper classmen opt to remain on campus all 4 years of their college experience, or if there is any major reverse migration of juniors and seniors out of the surrounding rental housing and apartments back onto campus. If I am correct, this will mean that Villanova will have an immediate glut / surplus of empty Dorm rooms that they will be looking to fill once these 6 new Dorms open.
Don't be surprised if within 3 years or so ( ie., after the Radnor Township heat is off ), Villanova's freshman enrollment begins to creep steadily upward to fill all of these Dorm rooms. The intrigueing question is : Was this Villanova's long term game plan / strategy all along ?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 7, 2017 13:23:12 GMT -5
No school on earth would reject more qualified students if the space and resources were available.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 10:46:43 GMT -5
It's fun how, aside from the parts about winning, success, and donations, this sounds exactly like La Salle. I wonder if they'd saying the same thing if their season wasn't trashed by injuries. Among other notable parallels :
1. A number of Hawk Hill message board members would like both their AD and their Head MBB coach of many years standing to retire asap ;
2. They have " buyer's remorse " regarding the 2008-09 $20 million Hagan Arena Renovation ( characterized as " lipstick on a pig " ), which failed to add a meaningful number of new seats ( added 1000 new seats behind the baskets, bringing the total seating capacity to only 4200 seats ) instead of the desired 6000 + seats ;
3. General sentiment that SJU badly " squandered " the unique opportunity the University was presented with and failed to strategically capitalize on the 2003-2004 Jameer Nelson / Delonte West 30-2 NCAA basketball Season to achieve " liftoff " to raise their national profile both in MBB recruiting and in dramatically increasing freshmen enrollment Applications and tightening SJU's recent ( considered unacceptable ) much more relaxed ( 83 % ) academic Acceptance standards; and
4. Now that the money's already been spent, there is no chance in the foreseeable future of SJU being again in a position to compete on the level of comparable-size basketball schools like Gonzaga, Creighton, Xavier and Dayton who have leveraged their NCAA Tourney successes and other opportunities much more prudently.
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 18, 2017 11:14:53 GMT -5
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 18, 2017 12:16:58 GMT -5
I encourage everyone that can, to make the trip out to Spokane for a night game at the Kennel. There's a book about the emergence of the program, and how they beat the odds. They did it playing the big schools and beating the big schools. That's why I root so hard for the Zags. Because if they can do it, any of us East Coast Catholic schools can do it. St. Mary's is a nice program, and there are similarities, but the Zags are in another echelon. It wasn't that way 20 years ago. Monson and Few turned it into a Juggernaut. So get on the plane, fly to Phoenix, and connect to Spokane. Go to Stockton's parents' bar, Jack and Dan's, and take it all in... |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 18, 2017 12:33:23 GMT -5
They opened the $25 million, 6,000-seat McCarthey Center in 2004 to replace their outdated high school-sized gymnasium. They began chartering direct flights for road games and recruiting trips by 2007. They broke ground this year on a state-of-the-art practice facility that will include a basketball-only strength-and-conditioning area and sections devoted to nutrition, academic support services and a hall of fame.
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They did the arena before the charters.
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 30, 2017 6:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 19, 2017 12:21:32 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 21, 2017 14:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Apr 21, 2017 22:04:44 GMT -5
Without research, I'd guess West Cheaters growth is more attributable to them standing as a cheaper, state-school alternative than anything else. Money is a big factor, but WCU stands as an effective barometer for La Salle.
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Post by gymrat67 on May 1, 2017 16:21:21 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on May 2, 2017 13:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 2, 2017 15:18:20 GMT -5
For what it's worth, and I don't have final numbers, but as of yesterday at 5 PM, deposits for freshman enrollment at La Salle were up 47% over where they were last year at the same time. Things are moving in a positive direction at 20th & Olney.
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Post by MisterD on May 2, 2017 15:24:29 GMT -5
Number of deposits up 47% or actual revenue up 47%?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 2, 2017 15:34:03 GMT -5
Number of deposits up 47% or actual revenue up 47%? Deposits for freshman enrollment for La Salle's class of 2021...meaning committed students who will have butts in seats in the fall. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on May 3, 2017 7:31:58 GMT -5
If there is a 47% increase in freshmen student attendance at basketball games THEN I will be impressed:)
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Post by MisterD on May 3, 2017 7:36:33 GMT -5
23.5 more fans per game.
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