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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 1, 2015 12:16:42 GMT -5
Ben Howland does not like Lewis at the point. He commented how Rhode Island moves without the ball. He said you really have to explode without the ball to get open and commented how the one Rhode Island kid ran the baseline and left Roberts in the dust and got an open look because of it. He said he has watched LASalle enough to know that Wright can only use his left hand and turn to his right. He also said rhode island coach told him they are a year ahead of schedule. Said they thought they would be this good next year. Said they recruit very well and obviously have a great strength coach cause they all looked bigger and more muscular then LaSalle.
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Post by mookie on Mar 1, 2015 12:57:59 GMT -5
With everything going on with work and stuff I have to admit I haven't watched many games in the last month so let me preface that. Given that, I've been listening to the games and keeping up with the board and I was really referencing the fact that I've noticed a few times lately (by that I mean after games) that posters have been bringing up how 50/50 balls and other thing's have been going the other way. I understand that and no matter how hard you work sometimes you won't get those and other times lucky shots happen. But when you're able to point out at least 6 instances or mention that these few things impacted the game to the point where you say if we had gotten this or that just a couple more times or even half the time then I have to believe that the "luck" is a result of effort. Again, i believe there is such a thing called luck but often times we can control or create our own "luck". Essentially, when preparation meets opportunity THAT is luck. I also believe that if one team is not working hard and it's evident, then why should the refs give a team the benefit of the doubt or that home court advantage? Just doesn't seem like it's deserved. One thing I don't question about this program is effort. With one unfortunate exception, I think every player on this team plays exceptionally hard. They don't always play well, they don't always play smart, but the effort is almost always there, in my opinion. Unfortunately, playing hard isn't always enough, especially when you routinely fail to run a coherent offense. I should add that I was not remotely impressed with the effort in the 2nd half against SLU, but my overall impression of this team is that they compete hard. Maybe I souks clarify...they too often come out flat and don't play a full 40 (which is more about consistency). But it's the coming out flat I'm referencing
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Mar 1, 2015 13:52:42 GMT -5
One thing I don't question about this program is effort. With one unfortunate exception, I think every player on this team plays exceptionally hard. They don't always play well, they don't always play smart, but the effort is almost always there, in my opinion. Unfortunately, playing hard isn't always enough, especially when you routinely fail to run a coherent offense. I'm curious, who is that one unfortunate exception?
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Post by calsufan on Mar 1, 2015 16:19:35 GMT -5
One thing I don't question about this program is effort. With one unfortunate exception, I think every player on this team plays exceptionally hard. They don't always play well, they don't always play smart, but the effort is almost always there, in my opinion. Unfortunately, playing hard isn't always enough, especially when you routinely fail to run a coherent offense. I'm curious, who is that one unfortunate exception? I don't think it would be appropriate to name names on the board like that. Murray was a different animal because it was clear there was issues with him. I'm not so sure it's clear for anyone on this team, so it would be more speculation than anything and that's not fair to a player to be called out like that. You can always private message him if you want an answer to that question.
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Post by calidelphia on Mar 1, 2015 17:39:08 GMT -5
Big focus on zack and wright in this game. Any ideas on the sixers gm and other connected individuals being at this game and there being such a strong focus on our bigs? Was G spotlighting the seniors with consideration of the faces in the crowd?
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Post by jellybean on Mar 1, 2015 18:11:44 GMT -5
Big focus on zack and wright in this game. Any ideas on the sixers gm and other connected individuals being at this game and there being such a strong focus on our bigs? Was G spotlighting the seniors with consideration of the faces in the crowd? If you are referring to my comment about Tony DiLeo being in the crowd. He is no longer the Sixers GM. Sam Hinkie is the GM. The player that they might be looking at was probably URI's Matthews. Jerrell Wright is not an NBA prospect because he doesn't have a post up jump shot. Will make a nice living overseas. Steve Zack is not an NBA prospect IMO. Another overseas candidate.
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Post by vasalos on Mar 1, 2015 18:22:16 GMT -5
Big focus on zack and wright in this game. Any ideas on the sixers gm and other connected individuals being at this game and there being such a strong focus on our bigs? Was G spotlighting the seniors with consideration of the faces in the crowd? URI couldn't stop the post play. That's all we had and Jerrell had a monster game. Everybody in the stands knew what was coming in terms of posting Jerrell up. It worked until the final 2 minutes where URI double teamed the post and shut Jerrell down. It also didn't help that URI's big, Hassan Martin, didn't need to be played until the second half. He got a ton of rest and was a huge presence late in the game and bailed EC Matthews when he whiffed on the 3 pointer.
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Post by vasalos on Mar 1, 2015 18:39:14 GMT -5
I'm curious, who is that one unfortunate exception? I don't think it would be appropriate to name names on the board like that. Murray was a different animal because it was clear there was issues with him. I'm not so sure it's clear for anyone on this team, so it would be more speculation than anything and that's not fair to a player to be called out like that. You can always private message him if you want an answer to that question. I think we know the player you are referring to. Jordan Price literally did not move during the URI game. There were spurts where he drove with the ball but he was a statue for the majority of the game. Now he had an undisclosed injury coming out of Fordham. Question is, is the injury real or is he dogging it? We won't know but I thought he started looking out of shape at the Richmond game when he had to really exert himself. I hope I'm wrong but Jordan has to start showing more. And yes, I will always compare Jordan to Ramon. At the last game, I was thinking to myself all game--"where is 55?"
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 1, 2015 18:47:05 GMT -5
I am watching a replay of the game now. Didn't realize we scored only 2 points in the last 3 and 1/2 minutes of the game.
It is not difficult to understand why we are going into the toilet.
Better coaching from G and better talent needed.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 1, 2015 19:16:06 GMT -5
I don't think it would be appropriate to name names on the board like that. Murray was a different animal because it was clear there was issues with him. I'm not so sure it's clear for anyone on this team, so it would be more speculation than anything and that's not fair to a player to be called out like that. You can always private message him if you want an answer to that question. I think we know the player you are referring to. Jordan Price literally did not move during the URI game. There were spurts where he drove with the ball but he was a statue for the majority of the game. Now he had an undisclosed injury coming out of Fordham. Question is, is the injury real or is he dogging it? We won't know but I thought he started looking out of shape at the Richmond game when he had to really exert himself. I hope I'm wrong but Jordan has to start showing more. And yes, I will always compare Jordan to Ramon. At the last game, I was thinking to myself all game--"where is 55?" I intentionally did not name the player, and the point of the post was that I think this team plays very hard. You could tell Price was dealing with a legit injury yesterday, in my opinion. Had no explosion and moved very gingerly
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Post by vasalos on Mar 1, 2015 19:49:31 GMT -5
I think we know the player you are referring to. Jordan Price literally did not move during the URI game. There were spurts where he drove with the ball but he was a statue for the majority of the game. Now he had an undisclosed injury coming out of Fordham. Question is, is the injury real or is he dogging it? We won't know but I thought he started looking out of shape at the Richmond game when he had to really exert himself. I hope I'm wrong but Jordan has to start showing more. And yes, I will always compare Jordan to Ramon. At the last game, I was thinking to myself all game--"where is 55?" I intentionally did not name the player, and the point of the post was that I think this team plays very hard. You could tell Price was dealing with a legit injury yesterday, in my opinion. Had no explosion and moved very gingerly My buddy and I were trying to figure out what Jordan could be dealing with. He wasn't worked on during the game by the trainers. We were thinking maybe a groin pull since he couldn't sprint at all unless he had to drive which wasn't often.
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Mar 1, 2015 19:50:28 GMT -5
I'm curious, who is that one unfortunate exception? I don't think it would be appropriate to name names on the board like that. Murray was a different animal because it was clear there was issues with him. I'm not so sure it's clear for anyone on this team, so it would be more speculation than anything and that's not fair to a player to be called out like that. You can always private message him if you want an answer to that question. Understood. I've seen virtually every game this season in person or video. I only asked because while I've seen pretty much every member of the team display moments of frustration and the poor decision making, there's no one who has stood out to me as a flat out dog.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 1, 2015 20:32:17 GMT -5
I don't think it would be appropriate to name names on the board like that. Murray was a different animal because it was clear there was issues with him. I'm not so sure it's clear for anyone on this team, so it would be more speculation than anything and that's not fair to a player to be called out like that. You can always private message him if you want an answer to that question. Understood. I've seen virtually every game this season in person or video. I only asked because while I've seen pretty much every member of the team display moments of frustration and the poor decision making, there's no one who has stood out to me as a flat out dog. I agree, I don't think anyone on this team dogs it. There's definitely some frustration once in awhile which can lead to what appears to be indifference, but that's just my interpretation. I certainly can be wrong about that. Overall, I think the team tries hard. I think the pairings on the floor, the offensive scheme [sic] and coaching decisions have led to the mediocre season. Btw, Milko is one of my all time favorite La Salle players. He wasn't the most talented player, but he worked hard and improved every year. Funny spelling on his last name there as well.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Mar 1, 2015 20:38:35 GMT -5
I am watching a replay of the game now. Didn't realize we scored only 2 points in the last 3 and 1/2 minutes of the game. It is not difficult to understand why we are going into the toilet. Better coaching from G and better talent needed. I just watched it again also. We certainly managed to whizz away an opportunity. Game was there for the taking.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 1, 2015 20:39:19 GMT -5
I am watching a replay of the game now. Didn't realize we scored only 2 points in the last 3 and 1/2 minutes of the game. Coincided with Price being reinserted, correct? Jordan Price is La Salle's offense, but he can also be somewhat of a black hole offensively.
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Mar 1, 2015 21:06:49 GMT -5
Understood. I've seen virtually every game this season in person or video. I only asked because while I've seen pretty much every member of the team display moments of frustration and the poor decision making, there's no one who has stood out to me as a flat out dog. I agree, I don't think anyone on this team dogs it. There's definitely some frustration once in awhile which can lead to what appears to be indifference, but that's just my interpretation. I certainly can be wrong about that. Overall, I think the team tries hard. I think the pairings on the floor, the offensive scheme [sic] and coaching decisions have led to the mediocre season. Btw, Milko is one of my all time favorite La Salle players. He wasn't the most talented player, but he worked hard and improved every year. Funny spelling on his last name there as well. Thanks man. One of my earliest memories of La Salle basketball was being at The Palestra for a Big 5 game versus Villanova. The L Train years. It was a sell out and the crowd seemed equally split for both teams. Nova had a gigantic center named Tom Greis. I think he was about 7'3" and had some game. If memory serves me correct, Milko went up for a dunk and was fouled hard by Greis. Milko took exception and despite being dwarfed by Greis he got right into his face. I don't recall if punches were thrown but I'm certain there was a lot of pushing and shoving. It was a very intense scene I don't even remember who won that game but I'll always remember Milko didn't take any crap that day. I always admired his effort. With all due respect to Jasper Van Teesling and Olaf Landgren, Milko Lieverst is my favorite European named player to ever come through La Salle.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 1, 2015 21:10:41 GMT -5
I am watching a replay of the game now. Didn't realize we scored only 2 points in the last 3 and 1/2 minutes of the game. Coincided with Price being reinserted, correct? Jordan Price is La Salle's offense, but he can also be somewhat of a black hole offensively. Correct. Jordan can save and kill us in the same instant., He is a high level talent one minute and terribly frustrating the next. I
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 1, 2015 21:24:29 GMT -5
I agree, I don't think anyone on this team dogs it. There's definitely some frustration once in awhile which can lead to what appears to be indifference, but that's just my interpretation. I certainly can be wrong about that. Overall, I think the team tries hard. I think the pairings on the floor, the offensive scheme [sic] and coaching decisions have led to the mediocre season. Btw, Milko is one of my all time favorite La Salle players. He wasn't the most talented player, but he worked hard and improved every year. Funny spelling on his last name there as well. Thanks man. One of my earliest memories of La Salle basketball was being at The Palestra for a Big 5 game versus Villanova. The L Train years. It was a sell out and the crowd seemed equally split for both teams. Nova had a gigantic center named Tom Greis. I think he was about 7'3" and had some game. If memory serves me correct, Milko went up for a dunk and was fouled hard by Greis. Milko took exception and despite being dwarfed by Greis he got right into his face. I don't recall if punches were thrown but I'm certain there was a lot of pushing and shoving. It was a very intense scene I don't even remember who won that game but I'll always remember Milko didn't take any crap that day. I always admired his effort. With all due respect to Jasper Van Teesling and Olaf Landgren, Milko Lieverst is my favorite European named player to ever come through La Salle. Milko went 4-0 vs Nova, so we know who won
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 23:18:41 GMT -5
Thanks man. One of my earliest memories of La Salle basketball was being at The Palestra for a Big 5 game versus Villanova. The L Train years. It was a sell out and the crowd seemed equally split for both teams. Nova had a gigantic center named Tom Greis. I think he was about 7'3" and had some game. If memory serves me correct, Milko went up for a dunk and was fouled hard by Greis. Milko took exception and despite being dwarfed by Greis he got right into his face. I don't recall if punches were thrown but I'm certain there was a lot of pushing and shoving. It was a very intense scene I don't even remember who won that game but I'll always remember Milko didn't take any crap that day. I always admired his effort. With all due respect to Jasper Van Teesling and Olaf Landgren, Milko Lieverst is my favorite European named player to ever come through La Salle. Milko went 4-0 vs Nova, so we know who won Milko did go 4-0 against Nova but none of those games were at the Palestra. 88-89 season 79-74 in OT at DuPont 89-90 season 71-70 at the Civic Center 90-91 season 102-94 at DuPont 91-92 season 79-75 at the Spectrum
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Mar 1, 2015 23:47:37 GMT -5
Milko went 4-0 vs Nova, so we know who won Milko did go 4-0 against Nova but none of those games were at the Palestra. 88-89 season 79-74 in OT at DuPont 89-90 season 71-70 at the Civic Center 90-91 season 102-94 at DuPont 91-92 season 79-75 at the Spectrum I am certain about the events of the game I'm speaking of and I remember it being at the Palestra. I remember the stupid Wildcat mascot running around and thinking how lame it looked. La Salle had the big old Easter Island head looking explorer mascot. If the facts say they never played there than so be it. I'm not Brian Williams in the wrong helicopter. I'm certain it wasn't at DuPont. Maybe the Civic Center. I just know Greis and Milko had their moment.
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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 1, 2015 23:50:15 GMT -5
I still remember Milko being in my appt at Theresa court after a night of partying. We had the music on so loud and he was break dancing on our living room floor. He was about 2 or 3 years behind me. I still remember having to back up because he was so long he would take your legs out like a weed wacker. I haven't thought of that in 25 plus years. This board brings back the memories. Speaking of Milko how about when he handled the 7'6" Shawn Bradley from BYU that we ended up drafting. After Milko handled him I knew he would be a bust. That was at the civic center I believe.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Mar 2, 2015 7:34:31 GMT -5
I am watching a replay of the game now. Didn't realize we scored only 2 points in the last 3 and 1/2 minutes of the game. It is not difficult to understand why we are going into the toilet. Better coaching from G and better talent needed. I just watched it again also. We certainly managed to whizz away an opportunity. Game was there for the taking. I watched it on DVR but it ended with about 50 seconds left. ( crap! ) I was really hoping to watch the last 4.4 seconds because my recollection was that La Salle was not at all thinking about Price getting intentionally fouled. I thought he almost had his back to the basket. I thought that no one tried to really break off hard for a pass to get a quick three. My recollection is that the inbounder threw a pass just a few feet to price who was pretty well covered. Joe posted that Price was open from 27 feet but didn't shoot. That was in response to a poster who said we weren't prepared for the possibility of a foul and that is the sign of a losing team and a coach not making the possibilities clear to the players. I'd be interested if someone could carefully watch the last 4.4 seconds. Because I'd like to be told my recollection is wrong. Basically what I'm saying is that both the inbounder and Price were not at all aware of or thinking about an intentional foul, which means that we were outcoached/outsmarted. Again, I really hope I'm wrong about this. p.s. - I also wonder if they might have decoyed us by making it appear like Price had a little space. Always then intending to foul him before he could do anything.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 2, 2015 8:18:10 GMT -5
I just watched it again also. We certainly managed to whizz away an opportunity. Game was there for the taking. I watched it on DVR but it ended with about 50 seconds left. ( crap! ) I was really hoping to watch the last 4.4 seconds because my recollection was that La Salle was not at all thinking about Price getting intentionally fouled. I thought he almost had his back to the basket. I thought that no one tried to really break off hard for a pass to get a quick three. My recollection is that the inbounder threw a pass just a few feet to price who was pretty well covered. Joe posted that Price was open from 27 feet but didn't shoot. That was in response to a poster who said we weren't prepared for the possibility of a foul and that is the sign of a losing team and a coach not making the possibilities clear to the players. I'd be interested if someone could carefully watch the last 4.4 seconds. Because I'd like to be told my recollection is wrong. Basically what I'm saying is that both the inbounder and Price were not at all aware of or thinking about an intentional foul, which means that we were outcoached/outsmarted. Again, I really hope I'm wrong about this. p.s. - I also wonder if they might have decoyed us by making it appear like Price had a little space. Always then intending to foul him before he could do anything. I am positive the team/coach had no idea that Hurley was going to foul the instant it appeared they could could before we got the shot off. Everyone in my section were talking about during the timeout. The team totally screwed that up. I would blame G but I am not positive he didn't tell Price this so I will put it on the team as a whole for not knowing.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 2, 2015 8:20:32 GMT -5
What no one has pointed out is that at the beginning of the possession, DJ had a fairly clear path to the basket with lots of time (according to Ben Howland)to get a two. Instead, he backed it out or didn't want to the shot so we were forced to hold for a three.
Also, it might be a minor point but we wasted 4 seconds by not fouling after URI got the long rebound. DJ ran out to foul the URI player when Stukes was the closest to the ball.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Mar 2, 2015 9:18:53 GMT -5
What no one has pointed out is that at the beginning of the possession, DJ had a fairly clear path to the basket with lots of time (according to Ben Howland)to get a two. Instead, he backed it out or didn't want to the shot so we were forced to hold for a three. Also, it might be a minor point but we wasted 4 seconds by not fouling after URI got the long rebound. DJ ran out to foul the URI player when Stukes was the closest to the ball. Interesting how 4.4 seconds (actually, our play in the last half-minute) can sum up and be symbolic of the state of La Salle basketball.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 2, 2015 9:28:43 GMT -5
I'd be interested if someone could carefully watch the last 4.4 seconds. Because I'd like to be told my recollection is wrong. Basically what I'm saying is that both the inbounder and Price were not at all aware of or thinking about an intentional foul, which means that we were outcoached/outsmarted. Again, I really hope I'm wrong about this. p.s. - I also wonder if they might have decoyed us by making it appear like Price had a little space. Always then intending to foul him before he could do anything. You're not wrong. This appears to be exactly what happened. They were going to give him an immediate release 27-footer. He didn't shoot it and got fouled. Game was over the second that whistle blew, him missing the first (and accidentally making the second) aside.
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Post by fvp47 on Mar 2, 2015 9:52:28 GMT -5
All of the above may or may not be the reason for not winning the game. What is true for losing the game is shooting 52.5% from the free throw line. Pretty basic.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 2, 2015 9:57:32 GMT -5
I am watching a replay of the game now. Didn't realize we scored only 2 points in the last 3 and 1/2 minutes of the game. Coincided with Price being reinserted, correct? Jordan Price is La Salle's offense, but he can also be somewhat of a black hole offensively. Yes he is Joe, he's a volume scorer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:33:38 GMT -5
Milko did go 4-0 against Nova but none of those games were at the Palestra. 88-89 season 79-74 in OT at DuPont 89-90 season 71-70 at the Civic Center 90-91 season 102-94 at DuPont 91-92 season 79-75 at the Spectrum I am certain about the events of the game I'm speaking of and I remember it being at the Palestra. I remember the stupid Wildcat mascot running around and thinking how lame it looked. La Salle had the big old Easter Island head looking explorer mascot. If the facts say they never played there than so be it. I'm not Brian Williams in the wrong helicopter. I'm certain it wasn't at DuPont. Maybe the Civic Center. I just know Greis and Milko had their moment. Milko only played against Greis twice (88-89 and 89-90 seasons). It was the game at the Civic Center you were thinking of. Greis was a punk and Milko didn't take crap off anyone. I was there. I've got all four of Milko's wins over Nova on DVD. Lots of great moments but the funniest was after the win at the Spectrum his senior year. After the game, Milko and Bron Holland were laughing and mugging for the cameras as they walked off the court, saying something along the lines of "Too bad, Rollie". Rollie was one of the most hated people in Phila basketball those days (even the Nova fans hated him, they thought he should be going to the Final 4 every year).
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