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Post by calsufan on Feb 28, 2015 18:40:52 GMT -5
From what I know they were very high on Stukes last year and his development. He has not at this point lived up to expectations. Nor has most of the team.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Feb 28, 2015 18:50:07 GMT -5
Some thoughtts I had:
URI plays great defense. The a10 is an average league if VCU leaves it will be a true mid major conference, the good news is LaSalle should be able to win the conference during certain years. How are we going to replace Wright and for that matter Zak. The a10 tourney should be wide open and really fun. Next year is going to be brutal to watch.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 28, 2015 18:53:46 GMT -5
I was also bothered by the way we didn't set up two shooters at either half of the half court line on the last play to get at least a little closer for a desperation 3. It was disappointing to see they didn't go with any type of set play. Granted I know it's a longshot that we hit something there, but I still think there should have been some type of play. Game was over the second they fouled Price.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 28, 2015 18:54:29 GMT -5
The a10 is an average league if VCU leaves it will be a true mid major conference, the good news is LaSalle should be able to win the conference during certain years.No evidence of that.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 28, 2015 18:55:49 GMT -5
I hope Mr. Murray was not the one who left the coke cup shown in the background because it sullies our magnificent arena. I wonder if it will still be there for our home finale.
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Post by lasalle89 on Feb 28, 2015 18:58:20 GMT -5
The a10 is an average league if VCU leaves it will be a true mid major conference, the good news is LaSalle should be able to win the conference during certain years.No evidence of that. Reality check is we stink!!!! I love LASalle but we stink.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Feb 28, 2015 18:58:38 GMT -5
The a10 is an average league if VCU leaves it will be a true mid major conference, the good news is LaSalle should be able to win the conference during certain years.No evidence of that. My point is they should be able to recruit locally and have the talent to compete. For some reason I think they could make a run in this years tourney. Trust me I get how bad next year is going to be.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 28, 2015 19:00:26 GMT -5
Listened to the first half on the radio, and got two interesting notes. 1) G said he kind of wished he had red-shirted Johnnie, and admitted that he has gone with experience and defense over Johnnie at times. (No surprise there.) 2) G admitted that he needs to recruit better shooters (shocker) I wish we could get this type of info in a podcast or video but the coach hasn't done one in over a year. If you go to the game you are at a disadvantage information wise. Of course our audio archive is up-to-date and easy to use.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 28, 2015 19:01:14 GMT -5
From what I know they were very high on Stukes last year and his development. He has not at this point lived up to expectations. Is anybody willing to to express their opinion on the upside of Stukes and Lewis for next year?
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Feb 28, 2015 19:10:18 GMT -5
From what I know they were very high on Stukes last year and his development. He has not at this point lived up to expectations. Is anybody willing to to express their opinion on the upside of Stukes and Lewis for next year? I think we can expect stukes to develop and be a better player, I think with Lewis we have seen what his ceiling is. Price is interesting, I guess he has Bembry type talent and he can shoot FT. Our problem will be rebounding and covering PFs & Centers.
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 28, 2015 19:18:40 GMT -5
Is anybody willing to to express their opinion on the upside of Stukes and Lewis for next year? I think we can expect stukes to develop and be a better player, I think with Lewis we have seen what his ceiling is. Price is interesting, I guess he has Bembry type talent and he can shoot FT. Our problem will be rebounding and covering PFs & Centers. He has talent but it is inconsistent and further offset by bad judgement at times. I trust he will improve.
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Post by calidelphia on Feb 28, 2015 19:40:59 GMT -5
Seeing Bill Murray at TGA was the highlight of the game for me. I'll give La Salle credit for battling back, but if we hit 70% from the line, we win this one. If we hit our season percentage from the 3 point line, we win this one. I was also bothered by the way we didn't set up two shooters at either half of the half court line on the last play to get at least a little closer for a desperation 3. It was disappointing to see they didn't go with any type of set play. Granted I know it's a longshot that we hit something there, but I still think there should have been some type of play. I don't know why we didn't let Khalid take the last minute half court shot. he's 2-2 on the season. I guess Cleon was due for a make at that point. The end of game play calling was questionable again but not as bad as slewww. edit: I guess I didn't need Murray in there but why the F not. Truly the best part of this game outside of Wright and Zack really putting things together.
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Post by calidelphia on Feb 28, 2015 19:50:54 GMT -5
Also as far as Khalid improving next year, there is nothing to say he has hit his ceiling. He has improved in every way each year and works incredibly hard. I would expect that trend to continue. He handled the ball really well today on an off day for Stukes.
We are going to be a different team next year for sure, I am not writing them off though. I agree with that if this team put 4 games together they could win the a10. I just don't see the probability of that being very high.
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Post by calsufan on Feb 28, 2015 20:46:42 GMT -5
I was also bothered by the way we didn't set up two shooters at either half of the half court line on the last play to get at least a little closer for a desperation 3. It was disappointing to see they didn't go with any type of set play. Granted I know it's a longshot that we hit something there, but I still think there should have been some type of play. Game was over the second they fouled Price. Was it over? In theory yes, but it wasn't impossible to score with 2.1 seconds. Unlikely, yes, but you still try and set up a play.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 28, 2015 20:52:03 GMT -5
What is more bothersome was the team didn't know with 4.4 seconds left Rhode Island was going to foul up three.
It was a disgrace not to draw up a quick 3 to try and tie the game. Perhaps Proce didn't run the play properly but G has to get that play run in that situation.
Good teams realize that.
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 28, 2015 21:09:26 GMT -5
On s bright note a friend of the family was at my home 7:30tonight and he referred a game in the Chicago Catholic League. He saw Harris play and he was impressed. De LaSalle has another kid going to Iowa.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 28, 2015 21:10:00 GMT -5
What is more bothersome was the team didn't know with 4.4 seconds left Rhode Island was going to foul up three. It was a disgrace not to draw up a quick 3 to try and tie the game. Perhaps Proce didn't run the play properly but G has to get that play run in that situation. Good teams realize that. Price caught the ball with an open 27 footer. Didn't immediately shoot. I'm not sure he was told. Wish I was still in the room cause I would have asked.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 28, 2015 21:11:03 GMT -5
Game was over the second they fouled Price. Was it over? In theory yes, but it wasn't impossible to score with 2.1 seconds. Unlikely, yes, but you still try and set up a play. Did it seem like Roberts hesitated before hoisting that shot from his hip?
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Post by Xwalkonx on Feb 28, 2015 23:28:18 GMT -5
From what I know they were very high on Stukes last year and his development. He has not at this point lived up to expectations. I agree. He almost seems spooked.. Everytime he handles the ball and picks up his dribble it is or close to a travel. He's young. But I wish Shuler was given equal playing time, because I believe he would have beaten stukes out.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 1, 2015 10:17:55 GMT -5
A few thoughts from yesterday's game.
Faces in the crowd besides Bill Murray. Caroline Gola at her regular seat courtside. I think it is absolutely wonderful that she comes when she can. See her usually there on Saturdays. Bill Bradshaw former La Salle AD, De Paul AD and Temple AD was there. Tony DiLeo former La Salle player and Sixer's GM doing to some scouting for someone. Craig Conlin former player and HC of Episcopal Academy.
Typical Sybil game from the Explorer's. Bad first half. Good second half.
Shame Price was hurting and in foul trouble. Still I wonder why G didn't put him in the game sooner at the end of second half.
Johnnie Shuler might have lots of warts and pimples in his game but he brings real energy when he is on the court. Can't coach quickness. Shame he missed this two FT's but I think he was pressing.
Never saw a game where any team was so unlucky. Practically every 50-50 ball went the other way. Rhody must have scored 6 baskets where the ball popped out of a scrum, was deflected or something under their basket.
Finally saw La Salle figuring out what to do when Jerrell is double and triple teamed. Sent guys down the lane to get the pass. Jerrell had 3 assists. Now if they can only figure out that when he is doubled that someone can come back to get a pass from him for a jumper. They just stand there and watch him.
Poor game from the point guard position by Lewis and Stukes. 7 points 1 assist 5 turnovers and 1 steal. Need better production.
Congratulations to Steve Zack on his first collegiate 3 point basket....glad that's out of the way.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 1, 2015 10:22:09 GMT -5
What is more bothersome was the team didn't know with 4.4 seconds left Rhode Island was going to foul up three. It was a disgrace not to draw up a quick 3 to try and tie the game. Perhaps Proce didn't run the play properly but G has to get that play run in that situation. Good teams realize that. Price caught the ball with an open 27 footer. Didn't immediately shoot. I'm not sure he was told. Wish I was still in the room cause I would have asked. How did you get a press credential Joe?
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Post by talkinbball on Mar 1, 2015 10:30:47 GMT -5
Also as far as Khalid improving next year, there is nothing to say he has hit his ceiling. He has improved in every way each year and works incredibly hard. I would expect that trend to continue. He handled the ball really well today on an off day for Stukes. We are going to be a different team next year for sure, I am not writing them off though. I agree with that if this team put 4 games together they could win the a10. I just don't see the probability of that being very high. Because our point guard play has been so bad, I have been watching Lewis a lot the last couple games. He loves the fancy dribble. He leaves his feet way too often on the pass, even routine ones. Yesterday, in the second half his routine was: two to three dribbles between the legs (he does this like it is second nature so don't know how good or bad this is),then a single dribble to get to the side line almost directly in front of G. About the only time he did not do this was when someone (usually DJP or Roberts) was already in the spot. This happened so often I was wondering if G wanted him there so G could call a play. Don't know but it certainly gave almost no possiblity for an assist. I do think he has a decent shot and could potentially be a scorer. Thought, with Price having a tough day, as someone else said, he should have been considered as the guy to take the 3 point shot to tie the game.
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Post by mookie on Mar 1, 2015 10:31:06 GMT -5
Never saw a game where any team was so unlucky. Practically every 50-50 ball went the other way. Rhody must have scored 6 baskets where the ball popped out of a scrum, was deflected or something under their basket. sorry I have to disagree. I believe we create our own "luck". it's becoming more frequent that these bounces and loose balls go the other way...can't overlook the fact that it's come in games where the team's effort looks dreadful.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 1, 2015 10:34:18 GMT -5
Never saw a game where any team was so unlucky. Practically every 50-50 ball went the other way. Rhody must have scored 6 baskets where the ball popped out of a scrum, was deflected or something under their basket. sorry I have to disagree. I believe we create our own "luck". it's becoming more frequent that these bounces and loose balls go the other way...can't overlook the fact that it's come in games where the team's effort looks dreadful. I see both sides of this. We have to win the loose balls, but there was also an ABSURD number of balls that flew out of bounds from 3-4 player scrums and just about every single one of them was given to URI by the refs. I have no idea if their calls were correct or not, but I can't imagine that the refs really knew, either. It was very frustrating that they got every one of those calls. Another killer was the offensive rebound they got with about 30 seconds left in the game off of the airballed 3. Pure luck, there.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 1, 2015 11:11:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying Rhody was lucky to win the game. Let me make sure of that. I am using a term that I've heard coaches and broadcasters use. I agree that you have to create your own "luck" but like broderickpresident said the game had an absurb number of plays. I'm not even considering those that went out of bounds or the call by the official. I'm saying stuff that happened under the URI basket that they found and converted. Stuff happens in every game but yesterday URI had a lot of stuff (at least 6) that they converted.
I am upset at URI getting two long offensive rebounds. How does that happen?
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Post by mookie on Mar 1, 2015 11:34:38 GMT -5
sorry I have to disagree. I believe we create our own "luck". it's becoming more frequent that these bounces and loose balls go the other way...can't overlook the fact that it's come in games where the team's effort looks dreadful. I see both sides of this. We have to win the loose balls, but there was also an ABSURD number of balls that flew out of bounds from 3-4 player scrums and just about every single one of them was given to URI by the refs. I have no idea if their calls were correct or not, but I can't imagine that the refs really knew, either. It was very frustrating that they got every one of those calls. Another killer was the offensive rebound they got with about 30 seconds left in the game off of the airballed 3. Pure luck, there. With everything going on with work and stuff I have to admit I haven't watched many games in the last month so let me preface that. Given that, I've been listening to the games and keeping up with the board and I was really referencing the fact that I've noticed a few times lately (by that I mean after games) that posters have been bringing up how 50/50 balls and other thing's have been going the other way. I understand that and no matter how hard you work sometimes you won't get those and other times lucky shots happen. But when you're able to point out at least 6 instances or mention that these few things impacted the game to the point where you say if we had gotten this or that just a couple more times or even half the time then I have to believe that the "luck" is a result of effort. Again, i believe there is such a thing called luck but often times we can control or create our own "luck". Essentially, when preparation meets opportunity THAT is luck. I also believe that if one team is not working hard and it's evident, then why should the refs give a team the benefit of the doubt or that home court advantage? Just doesn't seem like it's deserved.
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Post by mookie on Mar 1, 2015 11:43:19 GMT -5
I'm not saying Rhody was lucky to win the game. Let me make sure of that. I am using a term that I've heard coaches and broadcasters use. I agree that you have to create your own "luck" but like broderickpresident said the game had an absurb number of plays. I'm not even considering those that went out of bounds or the call by the official. I'm saying stuff that happened under the URI basket that they found and converted. Stuff happens in every game but yesterday URI had a lot of stuff (at least 6) that they converted. I am upset at URI getting two long offensive rebounds. How does that happen? I hear you and never got the impression you said Rhode Island won because of luck. I just think this season has been frustrating for everybody and regardless of what others may say, I believe this team has the talent and potential to be a top conference team. They should've easily won 20 games this season, unfortunately a lack of offense and.I'm going to put that on coaches not putting players in positions to succeed and creating easy baskets for them has led to frustrating scoring droughts and more frustrating losses and many times, a lack of effort. Players are responsible for their actions as they can control their effort But i believe everything starts from the top and a lack of planning For the offense. G loves to give the players freedom and that's great but he's Also quick to pull the leash on some and not give others a fair and timely chance. i think he needs to re-assess that point of his coaching. I believe he can run a good offensive system but for whatever reason he's not. Maybe it's a lack of talent and we aiveystem refs seeing their best or maybe he's putting that all on them and saying sink or swim with this responsibility. Who knows but it hasn't worked for a few years now and if he won't adjust quicker then perhaps the decision needs to be made to move on.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 1, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5
I see both sides of this. We have to win the loose balls, but there was also an ABSURD number of balls that flew out of bounds from 3-4 player scrums and just about every single one of them was given to URI by the refs. I have no idea if their calls were correct or not, but I can't imagine that the refs really knew, either. It was very frustrating that they got every one of those calls. Another killer was the offensive rebound they got with about 30 seconds left in the game off of the airballed 3. Pure luck, there. With everything going on with work and stuff I have to admit I haven't watched many games in the last month so let me preface that. Given that, I've been listening to the games and keeping up with the board and I was really referencing the fact that I've noticed a few times lately (by that I mean after games) that posters have been bringing up how 50/50 balls and other thing's have been going the other way. I understand that and no matter how hard you work sometimes you won't get those and other times lucky shots happen. But when you're able to point out at least 6 instances or mention that these few things impacted the game to the point where you say if we had gotten this or that just a couple more times or even half the time then I have to believe that the "luck" is a result of effort. Again, i believe there is such a thing called luck but often times we can control or create our own "luck". Essentially, when preparation meets opportunity THAT is luck. I also believe that if one team is not working hard and it's evident, then why should the refs give a team the benefit of the doubt or that home court advantage? Just doesn't seem like it's deserved. One thing I don't question about this program is effort. With one unfortunate exception, I think every player on this team plays exceptionally hard. They don't always play well, they don't always play smart, but the effort is almost always there, in my opinion. Unfortunately, playing hard isn't always enough, especially when you routinely fail to run a coherent offense. I should add that I was not remotely impressed with the effort in the 2nd half against SLU, but my overall impression of this team is that they compete hard.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 1, 2015 12:00:57 GMT -5
I know you (Mookie) didn't. I wanted to clearly state that URI wasn't lucky to win the game because it could make it to the URI board and so some newcomers understand what I was saying.
I agree with you that this team has talent. Wright was voted by the A10 coaches to the Pre-season A10 2nd team. Zack was voted All-Defensive team. Price was a top 75 HS player recruited by a SEC school. Roberts was nearly a double figure scorer as a FR (people don't realize how hard it is for true FR playing major college basketball). Stukes was touted by Jon Rothstein as Iona's Scott Machado type ( which he is nowhere even close too). Shuler was POY in Washington DC. Maybe he needed seasoning but he clearly has talent for this level. Maybe we don't have enough after those and maybe the scheme is not suited to their talents.
I am afraid that G needs to listen to someone he trusts to get a clear picture of what is going on the court. Maybe a close coaching friend? I am curious as to watch is being said on television by the color analysts. Last year, Dan Dakich clearly pointed out in the VCU game that the ball stayed on one half of the court on offense. That they never passed the ball and the players were standing around. I know Ben Howland has done a bunch of games and would be curious to hearing what he said. I think it comes down to G hearing it from people he respects.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 1, 2015 12:06:08 GMT -5
Price caught the ball with an open 27 footer. Didn't immediately shoot. I'm not sure he was told. Wish I was still in the room cause I would have asked. How did you get a press credential Joe? I used to write but gave it up.
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