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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 26, 2016 15:34:15 GMT -5
And measuring profitability isn't only ticket sales and ad revenue, but increased enrollment.
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Post by calidelphia on Jan 26, 2016 15:57:50 GMT -5
I hear you on that but Xavier is an outlier for a school of their (our) size and yes they generated 6+million in profit some years with an arena that cost $46 mil in 2000, but even a program like Butler is only making one (1) dollar in 2015. Schools with name recognition, enrollment and success are losing money, Notre dame for instance lost $2 million last year (funky accounting) but that puts them in with the 40% of NCAAMB programs that don't make a dime or lose money on the sport also including tournament attendees WV & OK state. The NCAA reported that only 3% of schools turn any profit on athletics but I would need to look further into the accounting there to believe them: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D1REVEXP2013.pdfMy point being, When weighing the risks of investing in improving the education or taking a chance on the sport, educational improvements are the safe choice. Mortgaging a schools future to improve athletics is risky especially at a time when one of the major departments was at risk of losing accreditation. I would rather have a school with a team in 20 years than to have a great arena that causes the school to continue to struggle. It is a similar situation to what my parents college went through and that school only exists in memories and on old dusty diplomas now. I can wait 5-8 years to do it right, I would also be surprised if fundraising hasn't started at some level. That is troubling if true and would be a sign that we may be looking at an 8-13 year number.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 26, 2016 16:02:55 GMT -5
Totally at fault for starting this thread up again...
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Post by calidelphia on Jan 26, 2016 16:15:33 GMT -5
And measuring profitability isn't only ticket sales and ad revenue, but increased enrollment. Did we see that increase in 2014? No snark, honestly curious and don't know. I know that we are having trouble meeting our enrollment goals right now and brought in less than 1,000 freshman for the first time in what I believe was a long time. That is happening just two seasons away from our best MBB athletics year in 20+ years. Trust me I want to agree here but the numbers don't line up to me yet so I prioritize things like the business building and retaining faculty to keep down class sizes over the new arena at this point. Just seems there are many problems to fix to get there.
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Post by golasalle on Jan 26, 2016 16:18:54 GMT -5
I have to agree here. Fact is I don't think that sustainable year over year success of this sport has been the goal at the top. It's ridiculously expensive to compete that way and profitability and not bankrupting the school handcuff the ability to compete in education, technology and high competition athletics. I agree with that priority being put over the success of a school sport. In fact it is one of the main reasons that I root for La Salle so much. We are the consummate underdog and our achievements over the past few years haven't come by abandoning morals. The goal is to stay competitive in a high competition conference resulting in a good year or two out of five while not putting the school at financial risk. While I would accept that explanation of priorities, we all understandably want both. I was all for the new business building coming before an arena. Getting the sons and daughters of local business people into the school will help increase tuition and hopefully endowment in the future. That way it will be easier to build something the right way next time. I want to see the team play in a legit arena but we need the students to fill it which means we needed to expand elsewhere, increase enrollment and improve the campus / culture. Here's the thing, the explorers didn't even have a court to call their own until 17 years ago my first year on campus. The fact that it is on campus was a huge upgrade and there are philly schools with HUGE endowments who still don't have a court of their own . They need to prioritize quality of education and creation of a competitive product over success in sports right now. While sports help in marketing, it's education, culture and opportunity that should be the factors for parents and students choosing one school over another. That said you have to expect that when financing the gola project they expected that investment to pay off over a period of 25 years minimum and probably 30. It was not done right at that time and did not take into account the changes that would occur in switching conferences. Now they are in a better spot to build but it still shouldn't be expected in the next 5-8 years is my assumption. (wrote that before reading it mentioned above so totally agree) I debate college athletics with my brother in law who is a dean of a history department in a private school in Germany where there are no college athletics. His opinion is that it is the bane of our college educational system and only acts as an educational parasite. I try to offer rebuttals but it makes a ton of sense when you see the budgets and consider the purpose of school vs. sports. There really isn't much common sense in the level of spending between coaches, facilities and additional events when you consider the end goal of attending college. While I want the arena soon, I am happy that the schools decisions have been true to it's original mission statement. I'm also glad I live here and have a good way to stay connected to the school after graduating. I disagree with you Cal. I think a new basketball arena has to be Priority #1, like 3 priorities above everything else. See Muskateers, Xavier, and look at the revenue that their basketball program generates, and how that revenue has been growing since Cintas was built. Build the damn arena come hell or high water. The funding drive should've started 3 years ago, like 89 said. Sounds easy, right? Well, according to Cincy papers TWO individuals contributed $21M to the construction of Cintas. Very hard for small schools to luck into those kind of Sugar Daddies.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jan 26, 2016 16:37:38 GMT -5
I disagree with you Cal. I think a new basketball arena has to be Priority #1, like 3 priorities above everything else. See Muskateers, Xavier, and look at the revenue that their basketball program generates, and how that revenue has been growing since Cintas was built. Build the damn arena come hell or high water. The funding drive should've started 3 years ago, like 89 said. Sounds easy, right? Well, according to Cincy papers TWO individuals contributed $21M to the construction of Cintas. Very hard for small schools to luck into those kind of Sugar Daddies. I didn't say it was easy, we're probably going to need another 40-50 million, but the iron was hot in March of 2013, and we have many "somebody's" out there it's going to take time. Just announce the drive and get people amped about the idea. LaSalle89 tried to tell brother Mike about this 3 years ago.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 26, 2016 17:12:51 GMT -5
I hear you on that but Xavier is an outlier for a school of their (our) size and yes they generated 6+million in profit some years with an arena that cost $46 mil in 2000, but even a program like Butler is only making one (1) dollar in 2015. Schools with name recognition, enrollment and success are losing money, Notre dame for instance lost $2 million last year (funky accounting) but that puts them in with the 40% of NCAAMB programs that don't make a dime or lose money on the sport also including tournament attendees WV & OK state. The NCAA reported that only 3% of schools turn any profit on athletics but I would need to look further into the accounting there to believe them: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D1REVEXP2013.pdfYou called out what I was going to call out. There is tremendous counter-incentive to show any kind of profit on "amateur" athletics so either (1) they really are all losing money yet continuing to operate or (2) ... exactly.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jan 26, 2016 17:38:46 GMT -5
I hear you on that but Xavier is an outlier for a school of their (our) size and yes they generated 6+million in profit some years with an arena that cost $46 mil in 2000, but even a program like Butler is only making one (1) dollar in 2015. Schools with name recognition, enrollment and success are losing money, Notre dame for instance lost $2 million last year (funky accounting) but that puts them in with the 40% of NCAAMB programs that don't make a dime or lose money on the sport also including tournament attendees WV & OK state. The NCAA reported that only 3% of schools turn any profit on athletics but I would need to look further into the accounting there to believe them: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D1REVEXP2013.pdfYou called out what I was going to call out. There is tremendous counter-incentive to show any kind of profit on "amateur" athletics so either (1) they really are all losing money yet continuing to operate or (2) ... exactly. (2) would be funky accounting correct?
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Post by hideaway on Jan 26, 2016 18:13:17 GMT -5
Do you guys really think these discussions don't go on? Just because things aren't publicly "announced" doesn't mean things like arenas aren't discussed with alumni. They are publicly announced when there is enough alumni funding and support to make the announcement. Given you haven't heard an "announcement", tells you what you need to know about the amount of alumni $'s which are currently available for an arena. I
f you know some alumni willing to put up $'s (I am talking $1 million minimum, please feel free to pass along their information to Dr. G, Development or even the Prez. That being said, LaSalle is a small school with a lot of indifferent students and alumni. You aren't talking about a mine full of gold nuggets. While there are some, the school is fighting the forces which are hitting a lot of private schools at the same level as LaSalle academically. Skyrocketing tuition nationwide is causing parents to choose public and when they choose private, they want it to be worth it. How has LaSalle historically put people in the seats particularly in the last 20 years?…discounting tuition to many people. Not a winning formula in the long run for building a high end brand of a school.
Anyway, long winded post to say, I wouldn't hold my breath for an arena as these forces are causing the school to address more pressing issues like putting more and higher quality students in the seats and building the facilities and infrastructure to make this happen. I love LaSalle and I love LaSalle basketball but I thought I would just provide some perspective if you really are holding your breath for an arena. The funding just isn't there. A higher quality student brings a higher quality alumni which brings a higher quality arena. And the "if they build it, they will come" argument is tough to stomach. For those of us who attended LaSalle when they had no arena, it was always said that we would draw way more with an on-campus arena. Do we? No. Many students can't even cross the street to go to a game and it isn't because they don't have seats behind the basket. Would a better arena help get recruits? It wouldn't hurt but there are many other ways to entice recruits with some money than spending $50-100 mil on an arena (particularly when you don't have it).
Better housing, food, charters, locker rooms…are just a few of the things which Dr G could use to help bring in recruits. If you would like to donate to this effort if you do not already, please contact Dr. G or someone in development…Kale Beers is a good contact. Any donation does help and raising something more like $1 million in this endeavor goes a long way. Actually just this sort of a fundraising effort is going on right now. That is something that everyone on this board can focus on and sink their teeth into….something that is happening, rather than something that isn't.
[Edited because there is some thought behind this and people should read it, even though he didn't put a space in La Salle. ~JF]
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jan 26, 2016 18:24:36 GMT -5
No need for a few paragraphs there? I want to read your post, but it's all one big cluster of sentences.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 26, 2016 18:44:26 GMT -5
Anyway, long winded post to say, I wouldn't hold my breath for an arena as these forces are causing the school to address more pressing issues like putting more and higher quality students in the seats and building the facilities and infrastructure to make this happen. I love LaSalle and I love LaSalle basketball but I thought I would just provide some perspective if you really are holding your breath for an arena. The funding just isn't there. A higher quality student brings a higher quality alumni which brings a higher quality arena. And the "if they build it, they will come" argument is tough to stomach. For those of us who attended LaSalle when they had no arena, it was always said that we would draw way more with an on-campus arena. Do we? No. Many students can't even cross the street to go to a game and it isn't because they don't have seats behind the basket. Would a better arena help get recruits? It wouldn't hurt but there are many other ways to entice recruits with some money than spending $50-100 mil on an arena (particularly when you don't have it). Better housing, food, charters, locker rooms…are just a few of the things which Dr G could use to help bring in recruits. If you would like to donate to this effort if you do not already, please contact Dr. G or someone in development…Kale Beers is a good contact. Any donation does help and raising something more like $1 million in this endeavor goes a long way. Actually just this sort of a fundraising effort is going on right now. That is something that everyone on this board can focus on and sink their teeth into….something that is happening, rather than something that isn't. All this is great, it is just about three decades behind in thinking. I bolded the part where you lost me. Here is why: La Salle, despite having a business school that is suitable and above average, is not Villanova. They are not Penn or Temple or Drexel. There is no law school, no medical school. It is a small, catholic liberal arts college that added a Business School because they needed to in order to keep up with the times. La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm. It just isn't going to happen. It isn't La Salle. But to say there aren't million dollar donors out there is wrong. They just haven't been incentivized enough to give. Further, to say that there is some grand outreach to all alumni is also wrong. I was planning to go to the event tonight and would have had my wife not gotten stuck at work, but I only knew about that event because of HERE and the back page of the La Salle magazine. Everyone chipping in 50$ so that the basketball team can fly to an island and play in a tournament next year is not fundraising...it is a bake sale. I think this is all changing. Madam Prez is going to make something happen, I believe in that, and we'll see if it will work. It's something though and there hasn't been something since I started paying attention about 12 years ago. 16 years with the same president, same board and same athletic director will do that....not lack of millionaires.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 26, 2016 18:50:50 GMT -5
Tom Brennan floated that idea that the program lacks a sugar daddy back during the NCAA run.
Regarding new business school - "The project was funded through the University’s $20 million investment and $13.2 million to date in philanthropic support from alumni, faculty, staff, parents and friends, including a major gift from Mr. and Mrs. Edward Fierko. Mr. Fierko, an alumnus of the School of Business, also serves as vice chair of the Board of Trustees for La Salle."
4everlasalle - I believe his gift was conditional and designated only for a new arena. Which was so very smart because he just knew...
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 26, 2016 18:53:09 GMT -5
Tom Brennan floated that idea that the program lacks a sugar daddy back during the NCAA run. He might be right, hard to find these anywhere anymore:
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Post by calsufan on Jan 26, 2016 19:12:41 GMT -5
Tom Brennan floated that idea that the program lacks a sugar daddy back during the NCAA run. He might be right, hard to find these anywhere anymore: So potentially, that would make La Salle a "sugar baby"? Scandalous!
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Post by hideaway on Jan 26, 2016 19:32:01 GMT -5
Joe, I don't quite understand your post…. were you trying to say, we have enough money in the alumni base or we don't to build an arena? On one hand, you say "La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm." That is sort of my point which is why we don't have the money.
Then you saying a lack of millionaires is not the problem….actually it is. There are certainly million dollar donors in the alumni base just not enough of them to build an arena (at least at this point in time particularly with some more pressing issues which La Salle is addressing)
"there is some sort of grand outreach to all alumni"….nobody mentioned that. Dr. G and the others involved reach out all of the time to those who they think can help financially in a meaningful way. That is why I mentioned if anyone on the board knows of anyone who can help meaningfully, please let them know.
"Everyone chipping in $50" for current push to raise resources for the team. Maybe you misinterpreted what I was saying. I just wasn't being rude by mentioning dollar amounts but they are looking for those that can give in the thousands (and sometimes in the tens of thousands) to help in meaningful ways to help the team today. (although lower amounts will obviously always be accepted). Hopefully that clarifies.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 26, 2016 19:37:41 GMT -5
Joe, I don't quite understand your post…. were you trying to say, we have enough money in the alumni base or we don't to build an arena? On one hand, you say "La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm." That is sort of my point which is why we don't have the money. Then you saying a lack of millionaires is not the problem….actually it is. There are certainly million dollar donors in the alumni base just not enough of them to build an arena (at least at this point in time particularly with some more pressing issues which La Salle is addressing) "there is some sort of grand outreach to all alumni"….nobody mentioned that. Dr. G and the others involved reach out all of the time to those who they think can help financially in a meaningful way. That is why I mentioned if anyone on the board knows of anyone who can help meaningfully, please let them know. "Everyone chipping in $50" for current push to raise resources for the team. Maybe you misinterpreted what I was saying. I just wasn't being rude by mentioning dollar amounts but they are looking for those that can give in the thousands (and sometimes in the tens of thousands) to help in meaningful ways to help the team today. (although lower amounts will obviously always be accepted). Hopefully that clarifies. You don't need the arena to be completely alumni funded. You need a percentage of it. While there are no Mike Hagan's around, there are a couple of people that can raise the money to get the project started. It's like any building the school would want to build. Bing able to sell the rights to the name would help too. There was nothing to clarify. I understood what you meant. We just differ in approach. I would like the school to announce and then start the fundraising effort, hopefully building support through excitement. It would help if there was 20M to start though, I agree.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 26, 2016 19:46:11 GMT -5
How do we know how many millionaires the school has lol? Let's not underestimate this programs ability to alienate alumni during the 20 years of shit.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jan 26, 2016 20:57:20 GMT -5
Here's the thing, the explorers didn't even have a court to call their own until 17 years ago my first year on campus. The fact that it is on campus was a huge upgrade and there are philly schools with HUGE endowments who still don't have a court of their own. Cali, were you talking then or now on still not having a court of their own? Nova - Pavilion Temple - Liacorous SJU (PA) - Hagan Arena Penn - Palestra Drexel - DAC Seems to me everyone has their own court. You lost me with that one
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jan 26, 2016 21:02:31 GMT -5
Joe, I don't quite understand your post…. were you trying to say, we have enough money in the alumni base or we don't to build an arena? On one hand, you say "La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm." That is sort of my point which is why we don't have the money. Then you saying a lack of millionaires is not the problem….actually it is. There are certainly million dollar donors in the alumni base just not enough of them to build an arena (at least at this point in time particularly with some more pressing issues which La Salle is addressing) "there is some sort of grand outreach to all alumni"….nobody mentioned that. Dr. G and the others involved reach out all of the time to those who they think can help financially in a meaningful way. That is why I mentioned if anyone on the board knows of anyone who can help meaningfully, please let them know. "Everyone chipping in $50" for current push to raise resources for the team. Maybe you misinterpreted what I was saying. I just wasn't being rude by mentioning dollar amounts but they are looking for those that can give in the thousands (and sometimes in the tens of thousands) to help in meaningful ways to help the team today. (although lower amounts will obviously always be accepted). Hopefully that clarifies. You don't need the arena to be completely alumni funded. You need a percentage of it. While there are no Mike Hagan's around, there are a couple of people that can raise the money to get the project started. It's like any building the school would want to build. Bing able to sell the rights to the name would help too. There was nothing to clarify. I understood what you meant. We just differ in approach. I would like the school to announce and then start the fundraising effort, hopefully building support through excitement. It would help if there was 20M to start though, I agree. There may not be $20 million to start, but I can tell you there's at least $10 million, which isn't chump change.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 26, 2016 21:25:08 GMT -5
Tom Brennan floated that idea that the program lacks a sugar daddy back during the NCAA run. Jesus. That's like me saying "welp, there's no intern here working at a senior level so what are ya gonna do right?"
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Post by durenduren on Jan 26, 2016 21:55:08 GMT -5
So this is probably the best place for this... I went to the first stop of the President's Tour de La Salle tonight in beautiful, scenic Center City.
She mentioned the University has hired the first director of communications and social media of some sort - sure I got the title wrong - but this person is already undertaking the university's first branding campaign, using an unnamed national agency. This rebranding will include a new website and total marketing plan, with the design to include alumni input throughout.
The Prez's has already hired five VPs in her short time at La Salle, with the process undergoing for the VP of Enrollment, which was admitted as particularly crucial.
Over the coming weeks and months, we should expect to hear news of some changes to the main portion of campus, particularly the quad area. Dr Hanycz mentioned over 70% of our students have class on West Campus, or west of Wister Ave - this increase has obviously had a profound impact on the flow of students around the main portion of campus, and the anticipated announcements throughout the coming months and years are designed to address that. Also, they are looking to prioritize new facilities that will attract students and will be focal points at important junctures on our campus.
Last, they're running a social media campaign called "Say Yes to La Salle." They're looking for alumni to participate by featuring almuni that volunteer their story of why La Salle was important to them and why they made the right decision to go to La Salle. These stories will be featured and eventually shared with potential students. Don't have anything else on this yet, buy I'm sure we'll hear more.
If you have a chance to make it to one of these events, I highly encourage it. Very encouraging and great to have a leader that sees change as a healthy way to evolve the university as we attempt to stay competitive with the other 280 or so 4-year institutions within a two hour drive that La Salle competes with.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 26, 2016 22:05:14 GMT -5
Anyway, long winded post to say, I wouldn't hold my breath for an arena as these forces are causing the school to address more pressing issues like putting more and higher quality students in the seats and building the facilities and infrastructure to make this happen. I love LaSalle and I love LaSalle basketball but I thought I would just provide some perspective if you really are holding your breath for an arena. The funding just isn't there. A higher quality student brings a higher quality alumni which brings a higher quality arena. And the "if they build it, they will come" argument is tough to stomach. For those of us who attended LaSalle when they had no arena, it was always said that we would draw way more with an on-campus arena. Do we? No. Many students can't even cross the street to go to a game and it isn't because they don't have seats behind the basket. Would a better arena help get recruits? It wouldn't hurt but there are many other ways to entice recruits with some money than spending $50-100 mil on an arena (particularly when you don't have it). Better housing, food, charters, locker rooms…are just a few of the things which Dr G could use to help bring in recruits. If you would like to donate to this effort if you do not already, please contact Dr. G or someone in development…Kale Beers is a good contact. Any donation does help and raising something more like $1 million in this endeavor goes a long way. Actually just this sort of a fundraising effort is going on right now. That is something that everyone on this board can focus on and sink their teeth into….something that is happening, rather than something that isn't. All this is great, it is just about three decades behind in thinking. I bolded the part where you lost me. Here is why: La Salle, despite having a business school that is suitable and above average, is not Villanova. They are not Penn or Temple or Drexel. There is no law school, no medical school. It is a small, catholic liberal arts college that added a Business School because they needed to in order to keep up with the times. La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm. It just isn't going to happen. It isn't La Salle. But to say there aren't million dollar donors out there is wrong. They just haven't been incentivized enough to give. Further, to say that there is some grand outreach to all alumni is also wrong. I was planning to go to the event tonight and would have had my wife not gotten stuck at work, but I only knew about that event because of HERE and the back page of the La Salle magazine. Everyone chipping in 50$ so that the basketball team can fly to an island and play in a tournament next year is not fundraising...it is a bake sale. I think this is all changing. Madam Prez is going to make something happen, I believe in that, and we'll see if it will work. It's something though and there hasn't been something since I started paying attention about 12 years ago. 16 years with the same president, same board and same athletic director will do that....not lack of millionaires. Joe Do you just make stuff up or what? I am really just wondering at this point where you get this information from. Stick to what you know which is IT not business.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 27, 2016 6:03:59 GMT -5
Please elaborate on why my opinion is so horribly wrong.
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Post by golasalle on Jan 27, 2016 9:32:22 GMT -5
Please elaborate on why my opinion is so horribly wrong. Don't want to speak for A10 Champion, but maybe start with this qoute: La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm. It's hard to unpack such a ridiculously overbroad and exaggerated statement that you throw out there as fact. La Salle doesn't just produce "teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses." There are plenty of La Salle grads in a wide array of professions, including doctors, surgeons, lawyers, finance, public relations, etc., and plenty at large law firms. No, the school does not "mass produce" such people, but neither does Villanova or Temple (undergrad). Yes those schools have professional schools, but by and large, unless the graduates of the professional schools attended the same school undergrad, their loyalties typically lie with their undergrad school. There are many, many La Salle grads who went to law school at Temple or Villanova or med or dental school at Temple who are loyal to La Salle. You are correct in saying that La Salle is a small, Catholic liberal arts school and much like others in the same boat, is struggling with rising costs and shrinking demographics. It is a fair criticism that La Salle hasn't been as good at fund raising and reaching out to loyal, well-off alums as its competition and I strongly believe that the new President is going to shake that up. I think that part of it is that the Christian Brothers are, as a generality, a pretty humble group, sometimes to a fault. The school has to get over that to survive and thrive. As I mentioned somewhere else, Xavier hit the lottery with two vastly wealthy individuals who were willing to pony up more than half the money for the Cintas Center. They don't "mass produce" mega-millionaires. Villanova hit the lottery with a psychopathic murderer donating the majority to the construction of Du Pont Pavillion. They made their deal with the devil. La Salle will have to round up many more multi-million dollar contributors in order to fund raise for a new arena. Not saying that it cannot be done, but without striking it rich with just the right person, it makes it way more difficult.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Jan 27, 2016 10:32:32 GMT -5
Explorer Town Motto: Never let facts get in the way of your point or opinion.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 27, 2016 10:37:21 GMT -5
It's hard to unpack such a ridiculously overbroad and exaggerated statement that you throw out there as fact. La Salle doesn't just produce "teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses." There are plenty of La Salle grads in a wide array of professions, including doctors, surgeons, lawyers, finance, public relations, etc., and plenty at large law firms. No, the school does not "mass produce" such people, but neither does Villanova or Temple (undergrad). Yes those schools have professional schools, but by and large, unless the graduates of the professional schools attended the same school undergrad, their loyalties typically lie with their undergrad school. There are many, many La Salle grads who went to law school at Temple or Villanova or med or dental school at Temple who are loyal to La Salle. You are correct in saying that La Salle is a small, Catholic liberal arts school and much like others in the same boat, is struggling with rising costs and shrinking demographics. Disagree. Strongly.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 27, 2016 10:43:09 GMT -5
There are plenty of La Salle grads in a wide array of professions, including doctors, surgeons, lawyers, finance, public relations, etc., and plenty at large law firms. No, the school does not "mass produce" such people, but neither does Villanova or Temple (undergrad). Very true. I am sick of the "we are the poor relations" in the Philadelphia area; its just not true. Both my ophthalmologist and general practitioner have undergraduate degrees from LAS. So does my accountant. BTW, LAS produced nurses make some serious bank. Screamer is an attorney and SICguy may be an attorney himself . We've let others (local major Catholic schools) denigrate our institution and we've produced such bad basketball that many inclined to donate to the program were alienated.
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Post by hideaway on Jan 27, 2016 10:43:57 GMT -5
Please elaborate on why my opinion is so horribly wrong. Don't want to speak for A10 Champion, but maybe start with this qoute: La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm. It's hard to unpack such a ridiculously overbroad and exaggerated statement that you throw out there as fact. La Salle doesn't just produce "teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses." There are plenty of La Salle grads in a wide array of professions, including doctors, surgeons, lawyers, finance, public relations, etc., and plenty at large law firms. No, the school does not "mass produce" such people, but neither does Villanova or Temple (undergrad). Yes those schools have professional schools, but by and large, unless the graduates of the professional schools attended the same school undergrad, their loyalties typically lie with their undergrad school. There are many, many La Salle grads who went to law school at Temple or Villanova or med or dental school at Temple who are loyal to La Salle. You are correct in saying that La Salle is a small, Catholic liberal arts school and much like others in the same boat, is struggling with rising costs and shrinking demographics. It is a fair criticism that La Salle hasn't been as good at fund raising and reaching out to loyal, well-off alums as its competition and I strongly believe that the new President is going to shake that up. I think that part of it is that the Christian Brothers are, as a generality, a pretty humble group, sometimes to a fault. The school has to get over that to survive and thrive. As I mentioned somewhere else, Xavier hit the lottery with two vastly wealthy individuals who were willing to pony up more than half the money for the Cintas Center. They don't "mass produce" mega-millionaires. Villanova hit the lottery with a psychopathic murderer donating the majority to the construction of Du Pont Pavillion. They made their deal with the devil. La Salle will have to round up many more multi-million dollar contributors in order to fund raise for a new arena. Not saying that it cannot be done, but without striking it rich with just the right person, it makes it way more difficult.
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Post by hideaway on Jan 27, 2016 11:01:37 GMT -5
Golasalle, You are using way too many facts and way too much critical thinking. Others on this board would rather just use conjecture and they're also very good at spending other People's Money (some which doesn't even exist).
News flash: Almost everyone would love to build an arena (eventually) We don't need to put out a press release for people to know that. If you know anybody with major bucks that doesn't know that please let them know. But odds are, they already know. Again other things are coming pre-arena so don't hold your breath. For example, building a business school was way more Important than building an arena. Xavier did build an arena which did help their success. There are also DOZENS of programs that have built great arenas and nothing happened. Building an arena does not equal success. Would it be great to have a new one, yes. Just try to bring some facts to the situation. A bigger, half-empty arena isn't number one on the list of upgrades coming.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 27, 2016 11:04:45 GMT -5
Please elaborate on why my opinion is so horribly wrong. Don't want to speak for A10 Champion, but maybe start with this qoute: La Salle produces teachers, marketing people, IT professionals, special education professionals and nurses. They don't mass produce high finance, wall street types or guys that are going to work at a highly paid law firm.I'll admit that my statement lost context by not further elaborating on the underlined word above. Apologies for that. But if you don't think that my statement with emphasis on MASS is true, I think you're off base. (in my opinion, so again...relax)
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