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Post by MisterD on Jan 27, 2016 11:09:19 GMT -5
I don't even see how that's a debated comment. Among the Philadelphia schools, do people really think we have equal representation in finance?
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jan 27, 2016 11:11:18 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is asking for the Cintas Center here either - just something that is an average D1 facility. 4,000 to 5,000 people with seats all around the court and some decent amenities so let's not act like $100 MM is needed to get this off the ground.
I also don't think anyone here believes the school Admin thinks the current basketball facility is on par with anyone competing at the level we do, the frustration lies more in that there isn't on open acknowledgement of the need beyond the fans and alumni. It feels more like they're afraid to try and raise the money for fear of coming up short and the inference is then that because they aren't openly trying to change the way things are then surely they must be content with the current facility.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 27, 2016 11:20:35 GMT -5
Tom Brennan acknowledged the fact in an Inquirer article during the NCAA run. Paraphrasing: We would like a new arena, and we do not have a major alumnus willing to donate a large chunk for it (SICguy argues that they've produced such a piss poor product that it infuriated many) Also - that we knew we'd be back in the tourney but frankly we feel it took way too long.
Beyond that, I had not heard any other public acknowledgment by any administrators. If fact, I've heard BOT members think we are all unhinged on this board about our passion for a new arena.
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Post by 1801olney on Jan 27, 2016 11:23:28 GMT -5
La Salle isnt going to announce plans for a new arena until they know they will be able to raise funds for it. You don't announce a campaign without knowing if you are going to meet the goal. As for the donor pool, if they screened all alumni for wealth capacity, how many do you think would rate as principal gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as capable of giving $1M+)? What about major gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as $25,000+, maybe $10,000+)? Think about who you went to school with, who you see at games all the time, "famous" alumni. Who do you think has that type of capacity? Not to mention, would they be inclined to give at that level if they were never previously engaged? Those are the types of donors you need to complete campaigns. Sure, basketball season ticket holders pledging $1000 is great, but the bulk of campaigns are financed through principal and major gifts.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 27, 2016 11:35:42 GMT -5
If fact, I've heard BOT members think we are all unhinged on this board about our passion for a new arena. Curious the percentage of those BOT members who were either around for the Gola project or have close ties to those who were. Its not a mistake until you admit its a mistake, right?
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Post by MisterD on Jan 27, 2016 11:42:15 GMT -5
(Also, the logical middle ground lies between "WE NEED A NEW ARENA" and "this bottom 1% 'arena' is what we have so deal with it", not at the latter.)
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jan 27, 2016 11:52:05 GMT -5
we've found a way to invest $100 MM in campus expansion and new/renovated buildings (West Campus, Business School, Benilde, Holroyd reno) in the last 15 years right? maybe $75MM? Not saying that money grows on trees but let's also not act like the well is now dry either and always was and/or forever will be.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 27, 2016 12:52:26 GMT -5
There will be no new facility and in less than ten years many colleges will be merging with others do to their pathetic greed which that in conjunction with the complete failure of our medical system has left the country in a very dangerous economic situation. A very high percentage of young people are in serious trouble with debt and many also can't get solid paying jobs with any kind of benefits worth talking about. Man it must be great to be young if your a family memeber of one of the top one percent who have brought the country to its knees. Please stop the nonsense regarding a new facility.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 27, 2016 12:59:33 GMT -5
The majority of the business students are not marketing majors. There really is no majority in the business school. It is a good mix of concentrations in finance, marketing and accounting.
To suggest that La Salle's business school is just something we picked up and that every business school in the city is better is just so wrong. Temple undergrad business programs have been struggling and the school is subpar. Drexel program is ridiculously expensive and makes close to zero sense since you have to be in school for 5 years. While they have a decent business school, they are known for their engineering program. SJU accounting program has been on the decline the past few years. They are known for their marketing, more importantly food marketing program which is one of the best in the country. Our accounting program blows all of their accounting programs out of the water.
What I hope you are not suggesting is that La Salle doesn't produce high level people that go on to work for some prestigious firms. Your sentence just suggests law firms which would be correct.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 27, 2016 13:01:00 GMT -5
There will be no new facility and in less than ten years many colleges will be merging with others do to their pathetic greed which that in conjunction with the complete failure of our medical system has left the country in a very dangerous economic situation. A very high percentage of young people are in serious trouble with debt and many also can't get solid paying jobs with any kind of benefits worth talking about. Man it must be great to be young if your a family memeber of one of the top one percent who have brought the country to its knees. Please stop the nonsense regarding a new facility. LOL what? La Salle has one of the lowest underemployed or unemployed rates in the state. Thanks for sharing though.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 27, 2016 13:11:55 GMT -5
Your sentence just suggests law firms which would be correct. Says who?
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Post by golasalle on Jan 27, 2016 13:19:03 GMT -5
Your sentence just suggests law firms which would be correct. Says who? Wondering about that myself.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 27, 2016 13:32:21 GMT -5
the frustration lies more in that there isn't on open acknowledgement of the need beyond the fans and alumni. Just felt like this needed to be said again. And again. And again.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 27, 2016 13:37:59 GMT -5
If fact, I've heard BOT members think we are all unhinged on this board about our passion for a new arena. Curious the percentage of those BOT members who were either around for the Gola project or have close ties to those who were. Its not a mistake until you admit its a mistake, right? At this point, I'm not sure if we're the crazy ones or they are... They've done such a phenomenal job in categorically denying anything basketball-related since they built Gola in 1998, which is ironically the last time La Salle made any kind of vote in confidence in the program. Hell, half of this board nearly died and went to heaven when we got video boards. But god damn, we're only talking two stupid VIDEO BOARDS - but that's how much complacency they've demonstrated. They neglected the program so bad that I was excited beyond belief about video boards... It's sad.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 27, 2016 15:47:04 GMT -5
There will be no new facility and in less than ten years many colleges will be merging with others do to their pathetic greed which that in conjunction with the complete failure of our medical system has left the country in a very dangerous economic situation. A very high percentage of young people are in serious trouble with debt and many also can't get solid paying jobs with any kind of benefits worth talking about. Man it must be great to be young if your a family memeber of one of the top one percent who have brought the country to its knees. Please stop the nonsense regarding a new facility. How did this not end with #feelthebern ?
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 27, 2016 15:49:33 GMT -5
Curious the percentage of those BOT members who were either around for the Gola project or have close ties to those who were. Its not a mistake until you admit its a mistake, right? At this point, I'm not sure if we're the crazy ones or they are... They've done such a phenomenal job in categorically denying anything basketball-related since they built Gola in 1998, which is ironically the last time La Salle made any kind of vote in confidence in the program. Hell, half of this board nearly died and went to heaven when we got video boards. But god damn, we're only talking two stupid VIDEO BOARDS - but that's how much complacency they've demonstrated. They neglected the program so bad that I was excited beyond belief about video boards... It's sad. I, for one, would die and go to heaven if we could replace the sound system in The Attic. But my pockets have little but lint to donate.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 27, 2016 16:00:05 GMT -5
Do you think the BOT wonders why we aren't more successful or simply doesn't care?
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 27, 2016 16:09:35 GMT -5
Your sentence just suggests law firms which would be correct. Says who? Joe, suggested La Salle doesn't mass produce high level people that end up at law firms. La Salle probably lags behind the rest in terms of that specific criteria but it's nitpicking. Seeing that Nova, Temple and Drexel have legitimate law schools while La Salle only has a pre-law program would suggest that. I would bet that there are some La Salle products who do work at large law firms but maybe not the volume of other Big 5 schools. Law isn't La Salle things...it isn't SJU's either. Business is our thing as well as communications. My point wasn't about law firms. I really actually don't care about La Salle not having a law school. The donors that back big money are primary business related majors whether they are entrepreneurs, Big 4 or banking products. La Salle has plenty of alumni at strong firms or run their own small to large businesses. The BOT alone is filled with these type of products. What I was dismissing was the concept that La Salle doesn't produce high level alumni no matter what their background. Joe, pointed out just lawyers, that's nitpicking. Law never been a real player for La Salle and La Salle is perfectly content with that.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT -5
I didn't only use lawyers. I'm sorry that you took my words to believe that La Salle doesn't have 'high level' alumni as you call them, but I didn't say that. I would argue that the school doesn't output the future millionaires that the schools I mention do. Which is exactly what I said before.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jan 27, 2016 16:26:57 GMT -5
La Salle isnt going to announce plans for a new arena until they know they will be able to raise funds for it. You don't announce a campaign without knowing if you are going to meet the goal. As for the donor pool, if they screened all alumni for wealth capacity, how many do you think would rate as principal gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as capable of giving $1M+)? What about major gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as $25,000+, maybe $10,000+)? Think about who you went to school with, who you see at games all the time, "famous" alumni. Who do you think has that type of capacity? Not to mention, would they be inclined to give at that level if they were never previously engaged? Those are the types of donors you need to complete campaigns. Sure, basketball season ticket holders pledging $1000 is great, but the bulk of campaigns are financed through principal and major gifts. What about the guy that graduated in 2004 and started SWAY Philly...I heard he has deep pockets 1801.
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Post by rp01 on Jan 27, 2016 16:33:41 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is asking for the Cintas Center here either - just something that is an average D1 facility. 4,000 to 5,000 people with seats all around the court and some decent amenities so let's not act like $100 MM is needed to get this off the ground. Isn't that pretty much what happened with the Hayman renovation? Building just an okay arena is not worth it if it will be obsolete in 15 years. If La Salle really wants to grow the program, they need to build a 6,500 seat arena with 85 million dollars and all of the amenities along with a practice court. Not only will this help in recruitment, but a good team will help with enrollment. Another option would be to build what you're talking about but make sure that it allows some room for expansion and renovations if needed. I think Virginia Commonwealth did something of that sort with their arena. Arenas similar to Secu arena at Towson and Vcu's arena would both be appropriate for La Salle.
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Post by rp01 on Jan 27, 2016 16:34:13 GMT -5
La Salle isnt going to announce plans for a new arena until they know they will be able to raise funds for it. Is the business school even funded completely yet?
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Post by hideaway on Jan 27, 2016 16:48:34 GMT -5
Do you think the BOT wonders why we aren't more successful or simply doesn't care? The BOT not only wonders why we aren't more successful, they know why we aren't. Go back to my original comment in this thread.
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Post by hideaway on Jan 27, 2016 16:52:22 GMT -5
I didn't only use lawyers. I'm sorry that you took my words to believe that La Salle doesn't have 'high level' alumni as you call them, but I didn't say that. I would argue that the school doesn't output the future millionaires that the schools I mention do. Which is exactly what I said before. If that is your argument, Joe (and I agree La Salle doesn't put out as many big $ grads as the other members of the big 5…..mainly because they start with a lot less big $ students than a lot of the other schools), where is the money for the arena going to come from?
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Post by durenduren on Jan 27, 2016 16:59:16 GMT -5
Do you think the BOT wonders why we aren't more successful or simply doesn't care? Two takes on this: I don't think it's possible to be THAT oblivious, especially considering these are supposed to be the university's brightest and wisest, but I'm not confident they have the road map for the future of this program like we'd hope to see. I just don't think they've got the recipe, so they're apprehensive in really dumping serious money into the program. Granted, they probably have 10,000 competing interests at the university on any given day, but it'd be near impossible to overlook the fact that this program has plateaued long ago. That being said, I don't think it's for lack of care or interest. I just don't know if they see this as a viable, worthwhile investment when they can see more quantifiable, measurable, and consistent results through investing similar funding in other areas - buildings, academic programs, etc. College athletics are pretty much a crap-shoot, and smaller schools can't afford to strike-out often when tossing around big figures. I get that, if I were on the BOT, you need to weigh the pro's and con's -- and betting on the basketball team isn't the safest bet compared to other options on the table.
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Post by hideaway on Jan 27, 2016 16:59:33 GMT -5
La Salle isnt going to announce plans for a new arena until they know they will be able to raise funds for it. You don't announce a campaign without knowing if you are going to meet the goal. As for the donor pool, if they screened all alumni for wealth capacity, how many do you think would rate as principal gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as capable of giving $1M+)? What about major gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as $25,000+, maybe $10,000+)? Think about who you went to school with, who you see at games all the time, "famous" alumni. Who do you think has that type of capacity? Not to mention, would they be inclined to give at that level if they were never previously engaged? Those are the types of donors you need to complete campaigns. Sure, basketball season ticket holders pledging $1000 is great, but the bulk of campaigns are financed through principal and major gifts. 1801, too much rationale here. Please keep arguments to emotional ones with no basis. This board likes those better. Everyone should read this again, because this is the issue. Period, end of story.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 27, 2016 17:16:28 GMT -5
I didn't only use lawyers. I'm sorry that you took my words to believe that La Salle doesn't have 'high level' alumni as you call them, but I didn't say that. I would argue that the school doesn't output the future millionaires that the schools I mention do. Which is exactly what I said before. La Salle is a blue collar school, very simply put. That doesn't mean we don't have lawyers and other 'high level' alumni, but if you don't want to admit that La Salle's identity is tied to educating those in 'working' positions, you're fooling yourself. La Salle is proud to be producing social workers, police officers, nurses, and teachers. Maybe you've all got a different impression of La Salle than me, but every generation I've ever interacted with from La Salle always had a blue-collar edge to them regardless of career choice - It's ingrained in La Salle's identity. That being said, La Salle is also proud to produce accountants, financiers, and other business types but you can't deny what has helped separate La Salle from it's competition. It's part of the La Sallian experience, it's part of the university culture and attitude. Do you all know how many 4-year institutions are within a two-hour drive of La Salle? 280. That's 280 competitors. The prez said that La Salle's identity will be evolving and changing to keep up with the times, but La Salle isn't Drexel, it's not Temple, Penn, or SJU of PA. I feel like many of you are arguing and pointing fingers at our neighbors and saying "Let's be more like them!" No - let's keep making our own identity, keep making this place unique. This all might be counter-intuitive with the whole 'arena' talk, but I'm not sure I'm willing to sell the university's culture for a law school or whatever. Edit - I can't wait for the fall-out from this one.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 27, 2016 19:14:39 GMT -5
La Salle isnt going to announce plans for a new arena until they know they will be able to raise funds for it. You don't announce a campaign without knowing if you are going to meet the goal. As for the donor pool, if they screened all alumni for wealth capacity, how many do you think would rate as principal gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as capable of giving $1M+)? What about major gift prospects (at La Salle its probably defined as $25,000+, maybe $10,000+)? Think about who you went to school with, who you see at games all the time, "famous" alumni. Who do you think has that type of capacity? Not to mention, would they be inclined to give at that level if they were never previously engaged? Those are the types of donors you need to complete campaigns. Sure, basketball season ticket holders pledging $1000 is great, but the bulk of campaigns are financed through principal and major gifts. 1801, too much rationale here. Please keep arguments to emotional ones with no basis. This board likes those better. Everyone should read this again, because this is the issue. Period, end of story. Please watch the snark. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and this is the second time you are nearing warning territory. I don't like to moderate heavily but don't make the above a thing. Thanks.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 27, 2016 19:17:26 GMT -5
I didn't only use lawyers. I'm sorry that you took my words to believe that La Salle doesn't have 'high level' alumni as you call them, but I didn't say that. I would argue that the school doesn't output the future millionaires that the schools I mention do. Which is exactly what I said before. La Salle is a blue collar school, very simply put. That doesn't mean we don't have lawyers and other 'high level' alumni, but if you don't want to admit that La Salle's identity is tied to educating those in 'working' positions, you're fooling yourself. La Salle is proud to be producing social workers, police officers, nurses, and teachers. Maybe you've all got a different impression of La Salle than me, but every generation I've ever interacted with from La Salle always had a blue-collar edge to them regardless of career choice - It's ingrained in La Salle's identity. That being said, La Salle is also proud to produce accountants, financiers, and other business types but you can't deny what has helped separate La Salle from it's competition. It's part of the La Sallian experience, it's part of the university culture and attitude. NPOA
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Post by calsufan on Jan 27, 2016 20:03:11 GMT -5
1801, too much rationale here. Please keep arguments to emotional ones with no basis. This board likes those better. Everyone should read this again, because this is the issue. Period, end of story. Please watch the snark. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and this is the second time you are nearing warning territory. I don't like to moderate heavily but don't make the above a thing. Thanks. I have to agree with Joe. That's a little too smug of a comment in my opinion. We're all not going to see eye to eye, but to me, a comment like yours basically says "I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot.". That serves little purpose in advancing the discussion.
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