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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2014 23:02:29 GMT -5
I don't know, man. I missed the first game because its hockey season but that second game was about as good as you could ask for.
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Post by ltrain38 on Apr 5, 2014 23:07:22 GMT -5
I don't know, man. I missed the first game because its hockey season but that second game was about as good as you could ask for. It was a great game. I just don't like Kentucky or UConn at all. I get no joy out of seeing the same handful of schools rotate as champions.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2014 23:12:47 GMT -5
Ah, got it. That's fair.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 5, 2014 23:20:43 GMT -5
Yeah that was a great basketball game, but I could not come up with a Championship Game between more detestable, corrupt, state schools than this. Just nothing redeemable at all about either of them. Plus, UConn is from Connecticut.
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Post by Kovy on Apr 5, 2014 23:43:54 GMT -5
Yeah that was a great basketball game, but I could not come up with a Championship Game between more detestable, corrupt, state schools than this. Just nothing redeemable at all about either of them. Plus, UConn is from Connecticut. Completely agree. I'm not sure if I can think of any other schools that are more win at all costs than Kentucky and UCONN. UCONN and it's 12% graduation rate or whatever it is vs. a school that doesn't even pretend that they are nothing more than a minor league team playing college basketball. It's a complete joke.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 5, 2014 23:54:26 GMT -5
On the plus side, Congratulations to "Vacated due to NCAA Violations" as the eventual 2014 NCAA Champions, regardless of what happens Monday.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 6, 2014 9:57:39 GMT -5
Do we not like that Kentucky accepts that top players will leave early or is there more to it?
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 6, 2014 10:11:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with him taking guys who will leave, that's the current rule. But how about the fact that Calipari has had wins vacated every where he's been?
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Post by ltrain38 on Apr 6, 2014 10:12:54 GMT -5
Do we not like that Kentucky accepts that top players will leave early or is there more to it? I don't think Kentucky is necessarily worse than any of the other top tier programs. But they are a symbol of a lot of the problems in college basketball (big revenue-generating program with little interest in educating or graduating players, Calipari), but I don't think they're worse. They are a convenient program to beat up on for everything that's wrong with the entire system. Also, sports fans need villains; it's not a purely rational thing.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Apr 6, 2014 14:58:49 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you, but all of the good schools and probably a majority of the bad schools are corrupt. I like how people pick on ... oh nevermind.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 6, 2014 19:46:15 GMT -5
This is sort of why I like / don't dislike Calipari. He admits he's teaching future professional basketball players rather than pretend maybe Julius Randle will someday be an architect. For a top flight recruit, he's exactly who you want to maximize your potential. Contrast that with Boeheim's bullshit shots at Ennis after he declared and give me Calipari every day.
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Post by calidelphia on Apr 7, 2014 19:27:57 GMT -5
A couple of fun facts on tonight's finale. Both UCONN and KY had their tournament wins vacated in 1996. That year Calipari, who was then the coach of UMASS, ironically lost in the tournament to KY. a 32-3 Uconn team had it's wins vacated because they got two players plane rides home to see their families. As opposed to a 35-2 UMASS team who had their wins vacated since a sports agent paid Camby / family to represent him when he was going pro. Both teams have paid back the NCAA for the money they would have received and no longer have the records in the history books. The most questionable of any of the vacated wins for either program or coach that I'm aware of is Memphis with Derrick Roses faked SAT's. That said, it's only arguably worse than a paid "no show" job, paying ncaa players for performance or kicking scholarship players off the team for lack of performance. I am really not going to take a righteous standpoint on either program by saying that we are better for this or that, because according to history, we aren't. Every D1 program has some skeletons in the closet. The year the champs stayed home: Chapter 7
That said, I grew up with Uconn as one of my states only televised sports teams (rip whalers). La Salle should have played them in 1990 instead of that memorable game against Clemson (also a vacated win). That said hoping for a solid game with the team that has 8 juniors and seniors on the roster and a coach who doesn't have any vacated wins yet coming out on top.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Apr 7, 2014 20:44:47 GMT -5
This is sort of why I like / don't dislike Calipari. He admits he's teaching future professional basketball players rather than pretend maybe Julius Randle will someday be an architect. For a top flight recruit, he's exactly who you want to maximize your potential. Contrast that with Boeheim's bullshit shots at Ennis after he declared and give me Calipari every day. I agree. The guys who come right out and say they have no interest in the academic success of their players are at least being honest about it. Sleazeball Huggins is another one. I'm absolutely fed up with the whole NCAA "student athlete" propaganda. I've said it many times, one reason it's so easy to root for La Salle is you know we do this the right way.
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Post by lwc4591 on Apr 7, 2014 20:54:48 GMT -5
All but impossible to root for one or the other. Between the both teams you would be lucky if four players ever get a degree or being honest could possibly past the courses to get that degree. Calipari is a true piece of shit and Ollie although better than Calipari has bought into win and also forget about the student part. In reality it is a national disgrace but as always far to many just close there eyes to it and pretend it doesn't exist. Student and athlete for the most part don't exist in big time basketball. Thank the good Lord we have people like Coach G who actually get behind our young men and keep them headed in the right direction through graduation.
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Post by ltrain38 on Apr 7, 2014 21:35:14 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you, but all of the good schools and probably a majority of the bad schools are corrupt. I like how people pick on ... oh nevermind. That misses the whole point of what I was saying. I know the other schools are corrupt and I resent the semi-professional cartel programs using football revenues to monopolize championships in basketball and just about every other sport. I hate that when they're inevitably forced to do the decent thing and pay players at those 50 or so schools, the remaining 300 will eventually be unable to compete and cut scholarship basketball. If I follow that to its logical conclusion, I'd just turn it all off and stick to watching NBA games. Instead, I'll let a handful of programs, including Kentucky, be symbols for everything that's wrong with the college game and actively root against them.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 7, 2014 22:25:37 GMT -5
I love G, that's well documented, but G can be himself precisely because there's no worry of us competing for top 25 players on an annual basis. There's no such thing as an honest intended 100% graduation rate or anything close at that level.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Apr 8, 2014 10:19:29 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you, but all of the good schools and probably a majority of the bad schools are corrupt. I like how people pick on ... oh nevermind. That misses the whole point of what I was saying. I know the other schools are corrupt and I resent the semi-professional cartel programs using football revenues to monopolize championships in basketball and just about every other sport. I hate that when they're inevitably forced to do the decent thing and pay players at those 50 or so schools, the remaining 300 will eventually be unable to compete and cut scholarship basketball. If I follow that to its logical conclusion, I'd just turn it all off and stick to watching NBA games. Instead, I'll let a handful of programs, including Kentucky, be symbols for everything that's wrong with the college game and actively root against them. We agree completely (I was taking an admitted cheap shot at another poster. My bad.)
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Post by a10champion15 on Apr 8, 2014 10:44:26 GMT -5
Are you serious though.
First, of all I hate kentucky and cal. He just not my type of coach but I'm not going to sit here and call him basically a fraud. UK is a awesome program even though I hate them beating them up for getting to the national championship is just stupid.
What UConn accomplished this year is extraordinary. Kevin Ollie accomplished something not many coaches have ever done. How can you say he is a bad coach in terms of the players being strong students. What do you have to base that off of at all? A graduation rate? He is in his second year, most of these guys aren't his players. Not many had faith in him due to his inexperience and them not being invited to the acc reiterates that. What a mistake the acc made not inviting uconn.
Uconn has been in trouble in the past yes, so has UK. Honestly what cal did in his coaching career is much much worse in terms of Ollie hand in anything that went on at uconn. There was a lot to hate about Calhoun but what really is there to hate about Ollie. There isn't a coach like him in college basketball and as I said before winning a national title no matter who your players are in his second year is extraordinary.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 8, 2014 10:50:43 GMT -5
We have the best students, everyone else has the worst students, everyone else cheats. I think that's how it goes, right?
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