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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 20, 2013 10:35:50 GMT -5
Until we lose a game comparable or worse than CCSU last year I'm still keeping the faith. We made the tournament last year with that on our resume so even though we're playing like excrement, this team is too talented and experienced to not get the benefit of the doubt they'll correct their issues
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 20, 2013 12:05:29 GMT -5
Definitely think it's too early to react too much one way or another, we're still alive for NCAA, etc. They have not been playing well however, and this weekend woe be a great time to turn things around.
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Post by big5vet on Nov 20, 2013 13:02:25 GMT -5
I had a work function this evening and only had the opportunity to check the score occasionally. I was going to pop on here for the recap but I'm probably not going to bother... I most likely will over react and put too much doubt in my head that we are, in fact, better than this. It's a long season and a few losses doesn't make the season. We played pretty poorly during stretches of our non conference schedule last year and the year before as well. I'll see where we stand once we enter conference play before passing true judgement. Very annoying font size plus bold type.
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Post by big5vet on Nov 20, 2013 13:02:46 GMT -5
I had a work function this evening and only had the opportunity to check the score occasionally. I was going to pop on here for the recap but I'm probably not going to bother... I most likely will over react and put too much doubt in my head that we are, in fact, better than this. It's a long season and a few losses doesn't make the season. We played pretty poorly during stretches of our non conference schedule last year and the year before as well. I'll see where we stand once we enter conference play before passing true judgement.
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Post by big5vet on Nov 20, 2013 13:06:29 GMT -5
It's another loss - this time to a pedestrian Penn State team (Picked for 7th in the Big Ten League) and La Salle is looking like a team trying find which combinations will work in what situations out there. Meanwhile, the defense is letting 5 Penn State players register double-digits.
Hopefully, facing 0-3 Morgan State to start the "Paradise Jam" will allow them wrap-up the experimenting and play the type of game everyone expected they would be playing. Would you consider eliminating the annoying font size and bold type?
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Post by big5vet on Nov 20, 2013 13:06:58 GMT -5
It's another loss - this time to a pedestrian Penn State team (Picked for 7th in the Big Ten League) and La Salle is looking like a team trying find which combinations will work in what situations out there. Meanwhile, the defense is letting 5 Penn State players register double-digits.
Hopefully, facing 0-3 Morgan State to start the "Paradise Jam" will allow them wrap-up the experimenting and play the type of game everyone expected they would be playing. Would you consider eliminating the annoying font size and bold type?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 13:18:04 GMT -5
I thought there were stretches last night where the team looked pretty good. I guess that's a step in the right direction but they still have a long way to go.
To me, the most distressing part about last night was that La Salle actually did an okay job on Frazier and Newbill, but they allowed two stiffs to light them up. I'm sorry, but Brandon Taylor and Donovon Jack are not even A10-caliber players, let alone Big 10 players. They're two soft big men with below average ball-handling and passing skills whose only talent is to stand on the perimeter and fire up wide-open jumpers. There is no way they should have been able to combine for 33 points. That is just awful defense. I don't care if Zack and Wright have to extend out. Taylor and Jack don't have the skills to get by them or anyone. They're one-trick ponies who will be lucky to average 5 ppg when they start playing B10 games.
Letting those two do what they did was the major reason La Salle lost that game.
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 20, 2013 13:26:22 GMT -5
Would you consider eliminating the annoying font size and bold type? I thought AngryAl was Angry typing. but seriously.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 20, 2013 13:41:34 GMT -5
There should have been a few guys instructed to practice a heckuva lot of three's during the off season knowing that Galloway was leaving. We give teams no fear at all out there.
We're one dimensional (sorta like an unbalanced man or something like that).
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Post by durenduren on Nov 20, 2013 14:47:55 GMT -5
I thought there were stretches last night where the team looked pretty good. I guess that's a step in the right direction but they still have a long way to go. To me, the most distressing part about last night was that La Salle actually did an okay job on Frazier and Newbill, but they allowed two stiffs to light them up. Totally agree there were some good stretches and major improvements from the first three but the stretches of total inconsistency kill me. We've done good job with each teams marque players so far, but it's been the same theme each game. Secondary players lighting up our secondary defenders. Our primary players do what they're billed to do, but no one is piecing together the total package. Sam's been the shutdown defender we love, but he's done nothing other than that. Tyrone has shown offensive prowess, but he's defining himself as a one-way player.
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Post by lasalle89 on Nov 20, 2013 16:09:51 GMT -5
After the Dallas game I thought Foles played his last NFL game. Look at him now. I am guilty of getting over emotional about this team. My question would be had we not made the tourney last year and been a one and done In the NIT what would your thoughts be about this team?
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Post by 23won on Nov 20, 2013 16:57:09 GMT -5
To me, the most distressing part about last night was that La Salle actually did an okay job on Frazier and Newbill, but they allowed two stiffs to light them up. I'm sorry, but Brandon Taylor and Donovon Jack are not even A10-caliber players, let alone Big 10 players. They're two soft big men with below average ball-handling and passing skills whose only talent is to stand on the perimeter and fire up wide-open jumpers. There is no way they should have been able to combine for 33 points. That is just awful defense. I don't care if Zack and Wright have to extend out. Taylor and Jack don't have the skills to get by them or anyone. They're one-trick ponies who will be lucky to average 5 ppg when they start playing B10 games. Letting those two do what they did was the major reason La Salle lost that game. I agree KJ. Those two shot well from the outside against Penn (not for 33 mind you, but they did shoot well, especially early). Who the heck was scouting that game at the Palestra?
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 20, 2013 17:16:31 GMT -5
I have seen a number of comments about how much better our scoring would be with Ramone so I thought I would take a look. I went back to last seasons stats and subtracted Ramone. 2012-13 field goal % with Ramone - 451.%; without Ramone - 47.1% 2012-13 3 point % with Ramone - 37.4%; without Ramone - 36.0% 2013-14 field goal % - 40.2% 2013-14 3 point % 31.3% Clearly the same bunch are not shooting, at the present time, like they did last year. Another telling stati sOpp 3 point field goal % 2012-13 - 30.2%; 2013-14 43.2% Opp rebounds per game 2012-13 - 35.1; 2013-14 41.3 Spotty defense and poor shooting from a group that has proven they can shoot. Patience gentleman.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 20, 2013 17:27:26 GMT -5
Ramon had the most shots on the team, and often the highest pressure shots in double coverage. He rebounded, drew defenders, took deep threes, and was the focus of the game plan. What makes a good player great is making the players around you better - and he definetly did. You can't quantify his value by shooting percentage, in my opinion.
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Post by broderickpresident on Nov 20, 2013 17:35:07 GMT -5
Our offense has looked ugly at times, but the biggest issue by far is the defense. We may have allowed more completely uncontested shots already this season than all of last season.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 20, 2013 17:35:50 GMT -5
Ramon had the most shots on the team, and often the highest pressure shots in double coverage. He rebounded, drew defenders, took deep threes, and was the focus of the game plan. What makes a good player great is making the players around you better - and he definetly did. You can't quantify his value by shooting percentage, in my opinion. Agreed. You can't measure what he brought to the program. I know for sure he is the only guy that could explode for 8-9 points in a two minute stretch with regularity. We miss that quality and have not replaced it.To do that to team in a tight game is a demoralizer. Teams have a hard time recovering from that and we don't have it this year.
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 20, 2013 17:46:32 GMT -5
I agree with durenduen. My point was not the shooting percentage of Ramone but that the guys who are not making shots this year were making shots last year. I think Ramone brought that intangible fire that needs to be found again. (needless to say he played good defense as well) The defense has left something to be desired. Last year we moved opponents off the three point line.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 20, 2013 17:48:24 GMT -5
Some of you guys are in complete panic mode. Its 4 games into the season and just like every year there are a number of teams that make the tournament and don't start out strong. Saint Louis specifically last year was 3-3 in the first six games. Chill. The team has the talent and G figuring out the rotation right now which is why I think he is obsessed with subbing right now. With that in mind this team needs to win the paradise tournament and reassert themselves. There a quality team Ramon is missed for sure but this team isn't down and out without him.
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 20, 2013 18:28:51 GMT -5
Agree, need to be a little patient.
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Post by nostalgic on Nov 21, 2013 9:44:53 GMT -5
Some of you guys are in complete panic mode. Its 4 games into the season and just like every year there are a number of teams that make the tournament and don't start out strong. Saint Louis specifically last year was 3-3 in the first six games. Chill. The team has the talent and G figuring out the rotation right now which is why I think he is obsessed with subbing right now. With that in mind this team needs to win the paradise tournament and reassert themselves. There a quality team Ramon is missed for sure but this team isn't down and out without him. True about SLU last year, but their losses were to three pretty good teams (Kansas, Washington and Santa Clara). Manhattan and PSU are quite a bit weaker, IMO.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 21, 2013 12:06:25 GMT -5
I went to the game... Before the game I felt that LaSalle had an advantage up front and if Zack and Jerrell played well LaSalle would win...
The outcome was a mild surprise... PSU really had no answer for the LaSalle bigs and they had decent numbers...
On offense, LaSalle lacks the "flow" it had last year.... Not a knock, but one can actually feel Garland "HUNTING" for shots and it disrupts the flow...
He's a very capable scorer, but his overall game seems to be negatively affected by missed shots... Last year, LaSalle players, especially Galloway could just shake off missed shots and continue to give optimal effort on defense...
LaSalle has a solid core group of players and should once again be a force in the A10....
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Post by nostalgic on Nov 21, 2013 13:19:09 GMT -5
I went to the game... Before the game I felt that LaSalle had an advantage up front and if Zack and Jerrell played well LaSalle would win... The outcome was a mild surprise... PSU really had no answer for the LaSalle bigs and they had decent numbers... On offense, LaSalle lacks the "flow" it had last year.... Not a knock, but one can actually feel Garland "HUNTING" for shots and it disrupts the flow... He's a very capable scorer, but his overall game seems to be negatively affected by missed shots... Last year, LaSalle players, especially Galloway could just shake off missed shots and continue to give optimal effort on defense... I was at the game as well. I agree 100% of your assessment of Garland and his impact on the flow. I also agree that La Salle had an advantage up front and cashed in to some extent. However, as some of the other posters have already noted, Jerrell's lack of passing and ball handling skills hurt us when we tried to work the offense through him in the second half. Also, PSU forwards were able to take advantage of both Zack's and Wright's lack of foot speed when they had one-on-one matchups in space. I think we are better off playing zone when Wright and Zack are in the game at the same time.
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 21, 2013 13:59:39 GMT -5
The lions fan base was small but brutal as well. As much as it shouldn't affect a good player, the crowd really keyed on Garland any time he touched the ball. He took some wild shots and was "hunting" like Phillhoops4life mentioned.
I know crownd heckling can affect the way a player thinks during a game as I shut down Mahmet Okur from the stands with the "Come get your ice cold Okur" and "Ice Cold" chants in march 07' visiting a philly friend in Portland. he went 0-5 from 3, but what doesn't kill you... The rest of that season he shot .500 from deep and helped the jazz get to the conference finals against the Spurs.
I'm still holding strong that the team has a strong run ahead of them. hopefully this anecdote helps keep a positive outlook.
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Post by casey44 on Nov 21, 2013 15:14:18 GMT -5
I don't know how many posters we have, but I do know that the level of intensity is different as well as the ability to express the emotion one has. I think that we all need to tolerate those that come at things from different angles. Mr D for instance, tolerates no criticism of our more passionate fans. I don't know him and would more than likely bond with him immediately in a bar, watching a game because we both are rooting for the same team. These short missives are like an e mail in as much as they can't be taken back. I don't want to come across as being didactic (big word for me), but one of the reasons that I seldom post anymore is the fear of being thought of as a flamethrower, which I am not. Phila hoops 4 life was treated the same way on this bd. as I was on the SJU bd. He's not a troll and has bent over backwards to ingratiate himself to our members. Don't want to go much further, but sometimes we just need to sit back and acknowledge our differences and enjoy them more.
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