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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2013 21:49:13 GMT -5
neumann - Not sure what you mean. Are you saying we should can this season 'cause Ramon graduated?
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 21:51:37 GMT -5
Losing Galloway is just a crutch because he wasn't a superstar he was a good player (not a great player). We actually have a deeper and more experienced team yet look lost and lacking spirit. Who knows sometimes teams go thru this and find their identity as the season goes on.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 19, 2013 21:55:09 GMT -5
By the way we added Lewis and Zack to team since NCAA tourney run and lost Galloway so it is more than just Galloway affecting this team. You are kidding right? Lewis has played about 15 minutes of basketball in 4 games. What Ramon could do that no one can do now is seperate us from our opponent by drilling deep baskets and having us go from 2 points up or down to is up by 6 in a two minute span. That ability along with his leadership was critical in separating us in many games. It also boosted mental toughness. Now we must grind out every game and sometimes it will bite us like it has in half the games already.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 21:56:33 GMT -5
Facts: - Losing Galloway hurt more than we expected, and we haven't be able to replace him. - Pretty much every basketball mind that has heard of La Salle was dupped into believing we could replace him. - The team is still playing very uninspiring, mediocre ball. - We aren't good and we lack chemistry. - It hurts less when you just accept it. - Season still isn't over, but expectations need to be changed.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2013 21:58:54 GMT -5
Facts: - Pretty much every basketball mind that has heard of La Salle was dupped into believing we could replace him. This is what is so surprising.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2013 21:59:17 GMT -5
I think it will behoove us all to stop "remembering" what Galloway brought last year because he is no longer here to bring it this year. It is not relevant anymore - just as thousands of BB programs get over the graduation of a star year-after-year-after-year, etc.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 22:00:41 GMT -5
neumann - Not sure what you mean. Are you saying we should can this season 'cause Ramon graduated? I wasn't referring to you really. I get your point. My point is, no one is saying "It's just that we miss Ramon" or even "It's OK we're losing because our best player graduated." Losing only one guy, best player or no, is still way less than most teams lose year to year. The sphere I'm arguing in is that, justified or not, missing Ramon is a BIG reason we're struggling so far. I don't think that contradicts your point at all.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 19, 2013 22:03:24 GMT -5
I think it will behoove us all to stop "remembering" what Galloway brought last year because he is no longer here to bring it this year. It is not relevant anymore - just as thousands of BB programs get over the graduation of a star year-after-year-after-year, etc. Many teams take a step back after losing a player like Galloway. It is relevant now because this team hasn't learned how to replace him yet. If they do it becomes irrelevant.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 22:05:09 GMT -5
Do I sound like I am kidding Mik. Isn't Lewis one of the guys who shut down Galloway and company two years ago against Delaware and made our guys look sick. You guys are making Galloway out to be something he is not a superstar and missing what the problem is with the team which is chemistry or something else. I wasn't trying to compare Lewis or Zack to Galloway but pointing out that although we lost a very good player we added back a solid center and good 6th or 7th man to the roster plus all the remaining players where one year older. Galloway is an excuse not the answer.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 19, 2013 22:07:08 GMT -5
Do I sound like I am kidding Mik. Isn't Lewis one of the guys who shut down Galloway and company two years ago against Delaware and made our guys look sick. You guys are making Galloway out to be something he is not a superstar and missing what the problem is with the team which is chemistry or something else. I wasn't trying to compare Lewis or Zack to Galloway but pointing out that although we lost a very good player we added back a solid center and good 6th or 7th man to the roster plus all the remaining players where one year older. Galloway is an excuse not the answer. Losing Galloway is reality. The team has not learned how to replace him. Simple as that.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2013 22:09:30 GMT -5
Well - at this point last season no one was expecting what ultimately happened. Maybe we should regroup after the A-10 seasons starts. Maybe a leader will emerge (like Tyreek did against Siena).
It's a long season and maybe we're all too critical so far. I can't envision all the great chemistry just evaporating.
Actually - the most salient/interesting post might have been the Roberts and Price one. Although I'm not necessarily buying it, it is thought provoking.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 22:10:33 GMT -5
Mik when team grows through what is holding them back they will get back on track. Presently it is horrible shooting from what is usually a fairly good group of shooters.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 22:12:44 GMT -5
Galloway is an excuse not the answer. Wasn't Galloway the answer last two years?
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 19, 2013 22:14:43 GMT -5
the ESPN3 announcers were two of the worst and ill-prepared I ever heard. The play-by-play guy may have an excuse -- he sounds like the Braves' Skip Caray and Skippy's been dead for 5 years...
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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 19, 2013 22:22:17 GMT -5
Best lineup Zack and four guards we were breaking down Penn St D with dribble drive and finding Zack open for easy baskets. Why did G never go back to that ??
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2013 22:25:19 GMT -5
Gnocchi - Yeah, the one guy sounded like a total wannabe and the other like he'd suffered a few dozen concussions during his playing career (politically incorrect, I know).
As a broadcasting team they were clueless half the time about just about everything taking place in front of them. One example being the travel on Jerrell when he'd actually called time out. It actually took them almost a full ten seconds to realize it. (they had previously given Jerrell a 3rd foul on a foul by Lewis before taking a few seconds to recognize their mistake).
Hey, I'll call the game properly over the internet for $50 or so.
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 19, 2013 22:32:01 GMT -5
Best lineup Zack and four guards we were breaking down Penn St D with dribble drive and finding Zack open for easy baskets. Why did G never go back to that ?? because G wants to get Wright minutes even though he's not dishing it when he's getting double teamed.
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 19, 2013 22:33:20 GMT -5
You know what this team needs? a little vacation. Let's send them to a nice island retreat and let em find an alpha dog.
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Post by baab on Nov 19, 2013 22:44:50 GMT -5
for what its worth, the graduation of ramon galloway created a shots taken vacuum that needed to be filled. it has been filled by tyrone garland, but he has shot 7-20, 4-11, 4-15 and 6-18 in the four games. if ramon galloway had had those statistics would the results have been any different? i'm not criticizing tyrone garland, but if he's going to be the go to guy in the offense he has to make more of them. maybe its better if he is the vinnie johnson off the bench, start khalid lewis like galloway last year. frankly i kind of thought tyreek duren would be the scoring and shots taken leader from the point guard this year but its not happening. disappointing but the seas on has a long way to go.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2013 23:02:30 GMT -5
Explorer88 nails it. Even the ones of us who were mentioning how much we'd miss Galloway seem to have been underrating how much we'd miss him. If I were more pedantic than lazy, I'd point out how many times I got shushed away for making this point . Galloway hasn't been replaced because he wasn't a replaceable mid-major player. "Garland can score a little better" and "Lewis can play D a little better" doesn't equal having a singular player who does both (and more). We're still fine, we'll still contend, but the belief we'd walk into the tourney because we (barely) did it once before was always stupid.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2013 23:06:10 GMT -5
(And no, I'm not saying I would have predicted a 2-2 start, but dear god come on. You can't just replace Galloway because WINNERS WIN or whatever winning quote you want to throw out. If any other team but La Salle lost a kid like Galloway and replaced him with an up transfer, we'd look at them from the outside and say "of course they'll take an initial step back". Because of course we would.)
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 23:12:58 GMT -5
The tough part about it is that I was firmly in the "Galloway's graduation will hurt more than we expect" camp, but I kept reading everything being said about this team. Pre-Season Rankings, Live Twitter Feeds from Practices, Comments on how players could easily become an NBA target after being so far inconceivably off the radar, etc... I bought into it.
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Post by angryal on Nov 19, 2013 23:22:43 GMT -5
It's another loss - this time to a pedestrian Penn State team (Picked for 7th in the Big Ten League) and La Salle is looking like a team trying find which combinations will work in what situations out there. Meanwhile, the defense is letting 5 Penn State players register double-digits.
Hopefully, facing 0-3 Morgan State to start the "Paradise Jam" will allow them wrap-up the experimenting and play the type of game everyone expected they would be playing.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Nov 19, 2013 23:27:13 GMT -5
I had a work function this evening and only had the opportunity to check the score occasionally. I was going to pop on here for the recap but I'm probably not going to bother... I most likely will over react and put too much doubt in my head that we are, in fact, better than this.
It's a long season and a few losses doesn't make the season. We played pretty poorly during stretches of our non conference schedule last year and the year before as well. I'll see where we stand once we enter conference play before passing true judgement.
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 19, 2013 23:40:47 GMT -5
Galloway's loss isn't the issue. That doesn't explain Goose eggs in the assist column for our bigs & 1 total shooting foul committed on both of our bigs, 1. We aren't effectively distributing the ball, we are forcing it low and only taking 100% sure open perimeter shots + missing all jumpers possible. Our whole scheme seems to have changed and they are not running plays or taking risks with deep shots so our boys can't distribute.
We were starting each game by shooting from deep in the first 3 minutes of almost every game. like explorer88 said, those early deep shots made other teams respect the shot, created space down low and it allowed JW and ZACK to work and distribute. If Duren, Mills Dunn or Garland can't hit an NBA 3 then your all correct. I doubt that though.
We need to get someone shooting 3's confidently to create open space but it seems like we are trying to protect some imaginary lead from the first tip.
I don't want to throw anyone under the bus and I know it's going to get much better with this squad so some positives that I saw: -Dunn shot at a high clip 2-2 from 3 -Jerrell Wright 5 for 6 and 10 boards in a double double. -Zack 10 boards tonight, 10 pts in the first half. his first double double.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2013 23:44:50 GMT -5
Cali, no longer having a player like Galloway completely explains why our offense operates like it does rather than how it did.
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 20, 2013 1:59:39 GMT -5
actually I just watched the game on tv rather than catching most plays on a cell phone. Suffice it to say I was completely wrong. We need to find that go to guy and we don't have him right now. He's in Germany.
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Post by lasalle89 on Nov 20, 2013 6:51:26 GMT -5
The reality is this is our team now. I fully expected us to not to miss a beat after the way we played in the tourney last year. Everyone contributed on that team and knew their role. I had myself convinced we turned the corner as a program and we were bound for back to back NCAA appearances. I concluded that although Ramon was gone the rest of the team would improve. I read about Duren and Garland working out with Jameer everyday and how G was saying how improved Jerrell and Zack are and that Lewis was a lock down defender and I wanted to believe it. Last year rekindled so many friendships from my days walking the campus. I either had blinders on and expected to much or this team just has not found its way. The critical point to this is we will always be fans. I am worried about the new fans fading away. We were the darlings of the city. Man can things change quickly.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 20, 2013 8:55:34 GMT -5
... and a great way to turn the new fans and the general basketball fans in the city away is to show just how miserable the old core of fans can be. There's no prizes for first one to declare us dead.
(Not you, Lasalle89, the board in general. Just like always.)
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 20, 2013 10:21:27 GMT -5
I believe we will gradually get better. I firmly believe we are still learning to play without Ramon and that includes G. It will not get any worse and should get gradually better. We may have to settle for NIT when all is said and done unless we win the A-10 as the margin for error is getting razor thin over the next 2 weeks but this team deserves some patience IMO.
I also thought Penn State was the worst match-up for us of the 4 teams we played so far. Their frontcourt did to us what we do to other teams with our guards. They created space and both Zack and Wright had trouble guarding Travis, Jack, and Taylor in space with their lack of footspeed.Combined that with Frazier and Newbill and PSU for me was the tougher oppenent than anyone else we have faced. They are not a very good team but better than what we have seen. Since we are not playing welll right now we got hung with the loss.
KTF
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