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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Nov 18, 2013 9:03:36 GMT -5
Looking forward to this game and hoping it turns out like it did last year.
Is PSU much improved this year? Sounds like from some side comments in the other threads, people are generally nervous about this game.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 18, 2013 9:12:27 GMT -5
Everyone should be nervous and it isn't because Penn State is all that great.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 18, 2013 9:48:58 GMT -5
Didn't waste any time getting this thread up
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Post by ltrain38 on Nov 18, 2013 9:50:11 GMT -5
We needed this thread to go up. I can't talk about the Siena game anymore.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 18, 2013 9:56:48 GMT -5
Based on talent we should win but based on our first three games we lose by 10. Sometimes this game is hard to figure but several of our players don't look in sync with the flow of the game so it makes our team look sluggish and somewhat disorganized. At present we are a bad basketball team no matter how much of a homer you are. Last years Wright and Zack would dominate this years Jack and Taylor of Penn State but not the way our bigs are playing. I have no confidence that this team can beat any average team as it now stands and Penn Stae is very average while Siena is downright bad and we almost lost that one.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 18, 2013 10:09:20 GMT -5
I think this team is a road team because we can't play any worse than at home.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 18, 2013 10:13:32 GMT -5
Can we quickly clarify who puts the Game Threads up around here?
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Post by MisterD on Nov 18, 2013 10:14:40 GMT -5
Would it be possible to run two concurrent game threads, one for people watching the game and one for fatalists who can't be happy unless we're up as many points as minutes played?
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 18, 2013 10:15:41 GMT -5
Would it be possible to run two concurrent game threads, one for people watching the game and one for fatalists who can't be happy unless we're up as many points as minutes played? Classic!!
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Post by MisterD on Nov 18, 2013 10:18:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know who the Siena guy was who chimed in here, but that should serve as a wakeup call to the way this board comes off.
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Post by vasalos on Nov 18, 2013 10:27:26 GMT -5
PSU is good. Tim Frazier shouldn't be ignored. Much like Beamon he's a redshirt Senior. We are going to struggle against this team I think.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 18, 2013 10:30:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know who the Siena guy was who chimed in here, but that should serve as a wakeup call to the way this board comes off. MTS is one of the Siena diehards, but you're right - he had plenty of good to say about us. Guess we're our own worst critic.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 18, 2013 11:01:14 GMT -5
One more item to throw out there from Saturday, and take it for what you will, but Siena, including Saturday's performance is a 28% 3-pt shooting team for the season. They shot 58% for the game Saturday, but only 2-6 in the 2nd half. Had they shot a more typical % for the game, say 30%, and our guys shot their historical average of around 37-38% it would have equated to 6 more points for our guys and 9 fewer points for Siena. That's a 15 point swing and a 19 point victory.
This is why you don't play on paper, but why I think these things have a way of averaging out over the course of a season and it's how you get upsets in college hoops. The 3-point shot is such a game changer and when a seemingly over-matched opponent is making a high % and the favorite is missing everything, you wind up with what we saw Saturday.
The moral of the story though is that we closed on basically a 20-3 run and that's how you win games. All these teams are talented and the target on our back is new and will take time to adjust to. I fully expect PSU to have been chewed out all week by Chambers and shown the game tape from last year's blow out. This game is not going to be easy, so no one freak out when we have to grind out another game.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 18, 2013 11:05:50 GMT -5
One more item to throw out there from Saturday, and take it for what you will, but Siena, including Saturday's performance is a 28% 3-pt shooting team for the season. They shot 58% for the game Saturday, but only 2-6 in the 2nd half. Had they shot a more typical % for the game, say 30%, and our guys shot their historical average of around 37-38% it would have equated to 6 more points for our guys and 9 fewer points for Siena. That's a 15 point swing and a 19 point victory. This is why you don't play on paper, but why I think these things have a way of averaging out over the course of a season and it's how you get upsets in college hoops. The 3-point shot is such a game changer and when a seemingly over-matched opponent is making a high % and the favorite is missing everything, you wind up with what we saw Saturday. The moral of the story though is that we closed on basically a 20-3 run and that's how you win games. All these teams are talented and the target on our back is new and will take time to adjust to. I fully expect PSU to have been chewed out all week by Chambers and shown the game tape from last year's blow out. This game is not going to be easy, so no one freak out when we have to grind out another game. Hoops they shot a higher percentage because the defense was awful. Open shots are easier to make than guarded ones. Once we decided to clamp down and realized we could lose the game did things change. My question is how does that happen with a veteran team to play that way? I can understand a young team having these issues but we are a veteran team.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 18, 2013 11:19:52 GMT -5
Vasalos no matter how you spin it PSU is very mediocre and it will take a miracle for them to win anymore than 4-5 conference games or make the NIT.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 18, 2013 11:22:52 GMT -5
Because our guys overlooked them as an opponent. Simple as that. They beat the snot out of them last year, saw they had a bunch of freshmen this year and thought they would just roll out of bed and beat them. Keep in mind when we say "Veteran" we're referring to 21 year old kids. They say all the right things about having the target on their back and stuff, but I don't think they fully appreciated what that meant. Not all those shots were wide open, Poole hit a couple from 4 or 5 feet behind the line and you're not going to face guard a guy that far from the basket, #2 banked one in as well.
I'm not applauding the defense, make no mistake, but I also think this is what you get with November basketball too. I'm only saying, 3 games is not enough time to freak out or get overly excited about. we were 1-1 last year after losing at home to a CCSU team that looked like a juggernaut against our defense.
Also, G's game plan defensively was always perimeter oriented and I really get the sense our guys are playing defense so as not to foul and part of the reason it looks soft.
Siena's defense wasn't all that impressive either, we had TONS of wide open looks and Jerrell missed a dunk for God's sake. That stuff will work itself out I think too, so let's give it some time.
The pressure of winning at home is all new as well and I think these guys want to play perfect basketball and aren't letting it flow, I think 4 games away from the fans will help get them to come together and really get clicking again.
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Post by 23won on Nov 18, 2013 11:26:07 GMT -5
PSU is good. Tim Frazier shouldn't be ignored. Much like Beamon he's a redshirt Senior. We are going to struggle against this team I think. I hope Lewis is ready to play and G can give him as many minutes as possible. He looks like our best defensive stopper, and he and Mills will need to cover Frazier and Newbill.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 18, 2013 11:29:30 GMT -5
If I were G I would hound Frazier with Lewis or Mills the entire game and make someone else beat you (Newbill). On paper we have both the stronger front court and backcourt but paper doesn't win you games. Simple if we play like our previous three games we lose by at least ten to a very average team.
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Post by golasalle on Nov 18, 2013 11:46:06 GMT -5
One more item to throw out there from Saturday, and take it for what you will, but Siena, including Saturday's performance is a 28% 3-pt shooting team for the season. They shot 58% for the game Saturday, but only 2-6 in the 2nd half. Had they shot a more typical % for the game, say 30%, and our guys shot their historical average of around 37-38% it would have equated to 6 more points for our guys and 9 fewer points for Siena. That's a 15 point swing and a 19 point victory. This is why you don't play on paper, but why I think these things have a way of averaging out over the course of a season and it's how you get upsets in college hoops. The 3-point shot is such a game changer and when a seemingly over-matched opponent is making a high % and the favorite is missing everything, you wind up with what we saw Saturday. The moral of the story though is that we closed on basically a 20-3 run and that's how you win games. All these teams are talented and the target on our back is new and will take time to adjust to. I fully expect PSU to have been chewed out all week by Chambers and shown the game tape from last year's blow out. This game is not going to be easy, so no one freak out when we have to grind out another game. Hoops they shot a higher percentage because the defense was awful. Open shots are easier to make than guarded ones. Once we decided to clamp down and realized we could lose the game did things change. My question is how does that happen with a veteran team to play that way? I can understand a young team having these issues but we are a veteran team. Gotta take a little issue with this Mik. In the first half Siena banked in at least two 3s that were contested and from distance. One of the others was from about 30+ ft out. I am not going to say that the defense was good, it was not, particularly in the first half. But don't paint the 3 pt defense against Siena as being anywhere near as bad as it was against Manhattan. Sometimes teams get hot ant lucky and I think that was the case in the first half against Siena. By the way, the defense really clamped down in the last 6-7 mins of the game when they had to. I thought more of the issue was how poorly La Salle shot.
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Post by 20thandolney on Nov 19, 2013 18:59:59 GMT -5
Dunn getting the start
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 19:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 19:00:37 GMT -5
OK, folks. Game time!
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 19:02:13 GMT -5
La Salle starters:
Duren Dunn (!) Garland Wright Zacl
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Post by explorerman on Nov 19, 2013 19:02:12 GMT -5
F**k Dunn starting… Seriously
We are so f**cked
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 19:03:06 GMT -5
That paid off quick.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 19:03:21 GMT -5
OH yeah, that's why Dunn's starting, because of the Penn State thing.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 19:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah these guys know what they're talking about... not.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 19, 2013 19:05:23 GMT -5
Dunn has no idea where he is going.. Please take him off
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Post by 20thandolney on Nov 19, 2013 19:05:38 GMT -5
Garland leaves his man wide open after forcing a drive
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 19:05:54 GMT -5
F**k Dunn starting… Seriously We are so f**cked What? We're f**ded because he started Taylor Dunn?
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