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Post by cpico on Nov 19, 2013 21:05:15 GMT -5
Cherish last year. Was a magical year. I thought we were set up for back to back NCAA appearances but it is not to be. I am just stunned that we are this flat. We look like we never played together. G has got to change up his rotations. Jerrell has got to get better with his footwork. We don't have a go to scorer. Just dissappointing. Waited months for this. Wow, the season is over already? Well shit, I guess I better rip up my tickets. Yes, you should
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Post by ltrain38 on Nov 19, 2013 21:05:31 GMT -5
I've been critical of the "I only come on to post when we lose crowd," but there's no spin for this. Frazier can play, to be sure, but it's not ok to lose to Penn State. Ever.
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Post by lasalle89 on Nov 19, 2013 21:05:38 GMT -5
I didn't say to tear up your tix. Said that we are not going back to the NCAA tourney this year. I thought we were going to be tourney bound again after last year and returning all but one player.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 21:06:28 GMT -5
So this is just the who we are then? This to me has to be the assumption we work under now. They've looked similar for 4 games.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 21:08:53 GMT -5
I've been critical of the "I only come on to post when we lose crowd," but there's no spin for this. Frazier can play, to be sure, but it's not ok to lose to Penn State. Ever. Same boat. Feel like a hypocrite now, but I'm having a hard time doctoring this one any other way. Newbill, Frazier, and Friends totally pissed in my cereal.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 21:12:25 GMT -5
Man what is going to happen when we face a Div I team after going 2-2 against this group of slackers. At this point we are a very bad team and finishing in the top 8 in the A10 will be a big hurdle. Honestly after watching this slop the past ten days did you guys really think we had a chance against a Big 10 bottom feeder. Jack looks like an NBA player tonight but we really know that he sucks or at least the Big 10 teams do when they use him as a punching bag to fatten up their stats. Have to except that we SUCK big time. Morgan State should be a great game after all they are ranked somewhere around 260-280 in Div I
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2013 21:13:33 GMT -5
Who is the leader of this team? Tell me. Christ, Dunn appears to be the most animated on the sideline and during timeouts. Fire? Emotion? Glassed over looks, we have plenty of those.
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 19, 2013 21:13:34 GMT -5
The players haven't gotten worse and aren't resting on their laurels. The problem comes down to 2 words: no Galloway. Galloway was a big-time player who made everybody else better -- his range extended defenses, creating better spacing, driving lanes and more open 3-point shots for others. His D kept the best scoring guard under control and was a key to the 3-point defense. He was a great rebounder for a guard.
This team will get better but there's no replacing Galloway. We are what the record says we are...
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Post by alwayslasalle1 on Nov 19, 2013 21:14:54 GMT -5
I have to go to work on Wednesday and hear BS from a small group of PennnState grads. Is it bad form to ask them if they ever showered with Mr. Jerry?
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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 19, 2013 21:16:28 GMT -5
Think we play better as underdogs. This team no doubt has a 6 - 7 game win streak in them. It will take a couple of games but this season is no way over, not with the leadership and experience. Duren & Co will right this ship, i have confidence in that.
Just remember last year at this time no one thought we were a sweet 16 or even a NCAA TOURNAMENT team. We willl make a run let's just hope we can beat a quality opponent or 2.
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Post by odog on Nov 19, 2013 21:17:15 GMT -5
I thought we were going to be tourney bound again after last year and returning all but one player. And that one player's absence was minimized/downplayed all offseason on this board. His tangibles were game-changing enough. But his intangibles (balls, intensity, spirit) are the major deficit on this team. Not to mention that Wright manages to get worse and more left-centric the more "seasoned" he gets.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 21:20:10 GMT -5
Think we play better as underdogs. This team no doubt has a 6 - 7 game win streak in them. You're drunk
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2013 21:20:28 GMT -5
I thought we were going to be tourney bound again after last year and returning all but one player. And that one player's absence was minimized/downplayed all offseason on this board. His tangibles were game-changing enough. But his intangibles (balls, intensity, spirit) are the major deficit on this team. Not to mention that Wright manages to get worse and more left-centric the more "seasoned" he gets. Many outsiders in the press/media were duped as well into the same thinking.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 21:21:58 GMT -5
Sorry Gnocchi but one player isn't what ails this team it is a lot more than being that simple. Maybe they realized that weren't that good when they played against Price and Roberts in practice. I liked Galloway but you guys are overestimating his value and underestimating just how poorly we are playing and with such little fire. Well we can go back to being the invisible blip on the radar screen with the three quarters empty gym.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 19, 2013 21:25:24 GMT -5
The players haven't gotten worse and aren't resting on their laurels. The problem comes down to 2 words: no Galloway. Galloway was a big-time player who made everybody else better -- his range extended defenses, creating better spacing, driving lanes and more open 3-point shots for others. His D kept the best scoring guard under control and was a key to the 3-point defense. He was a great rebounder for a guard. This team will get better but there's no replacing Galloway. We are what the record says we are... Bingo. Anyone who thought we were not going to miss Galloway was totally misinformed. My concern is we miss him more than I could have imagined.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2013 21:27:44 GMT -5
I thought Peterson had by far his worst game I can recall. There were two or three times he got a nice feed underneath and did nothing. Mills was invisible - he had one big potential shot and missed it.
Jerrell Wright got his fouls 15-25 feet from the basket. On his first one he was trying to disrupt a guard way away from the hoop and promptly came out of the game. It appears to me that G wants him doing this, but it makes no sense if he has to come out after the first few minutes to avoid #2. And I don't think the 2nd consecutive travel was a travel - looked to me like a good move he's made dozens of times.
Regarding Galloway, ALMOST EVERY TEAM LOSES A KEY PLAYER BETWEEN SEASONS AND ARE ABLE TO MAKE UP FOR IT.
BTW - the ESPN3 announcers were two of the worst and ill-prepared I ever heard.
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Post by ltrain38 on Nov 19, 2013 21:28:00 GMT -5
I don't believe in things like intangibles and "playing with fire." I do believe that losing your third leading rebounder, second best passer, leading scorer, and most consistent three point shooter on a team that snuck into the tournament means you should take a big step back. I chose to deny that until tonight, but it's pretty clear now.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 21:28:30 GMT -5
I don't think you can blame anyone for downplaying Ramon's departure, this board wasn't the only place to do so. It took more than one player to beat three ranked teams in one season, and reasonable expectations would have predicted that 4 starters would remember how to play basketball 9 months later.
We all obviously expected Ramon's absence to be covered by committee, but even Jon Rothstein didn't predict 3 Explorers shitting their pants per game. Garland might be putting up 18 points per game, but those are some empty and hollow 18 points.
We had a lot of smoke blown up our asses.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 21:28:32 GMT -5
Explorer88 nails it. Even the ones of us who were mentioning how much we'd miss Galloway seem to have been underrating how much we'd miss him.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 21:30:47 GMT -5
Like I said in the preseason, you almost have to stop factoring in last season on Selection Sunday.Every thing that happened after that was basically incidental to this year. Even if they were playing better now, those 30+ games were going to matter to this year a hell of a lot more than the 4 NCAA tournament games.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2013 21:32:43 GMT -5
Well we can go back to being the invisible blip on the radar screen with the three quarters empty gym. No. Last year has bought the program at least two seasons before that happens. My fear was last year being considered a "fluke" by outsiders. But I guess "fluke" is better than "1992." BTW I guess that intense summer workout program with Jameer Nelson really worked out well...
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Post by thehawkisdead on Nov 19, 2013 21:33:56 GMT -5
The players haven't gotten worse and aren't resting on their laurels. The problem comes down to 2 words: no Galloway. Galloway was a big-time player who made everybody else better -- his range extended defenses, creating better spacing, driving lanes and more open 3-point shots for others. His D kept the best scoring guard under control and was a key to the 3-point defense. He was a great rebounder for a guard. This team will get better but there's no replacing Galloway. We are what the record says we are... NPOA
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Post by durenduren on Nov 19, 2013 21:39:12 GMT -5
I don't believe in things like intangibles and "playing with fire." I do believe that losing your third leading rebounder, second best passer, leading scorer, and most consistent three point shooter on a team that snuck into the tournament means you should take a big step back. I chose to deny that until tonight, but it's pretty clear now.
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 21:41:41 GMT -5
Next year we should go winless after losing Duren, Garland, Mills and Dunn. By the way what did Mills, Garland and Duren shoot tonight something like 12 for 36 maybe shooting is the reason the team is losing just like the previous three games. You could stick Galloway in there right now and it wouldn't do squat with the way these guys are shooting.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2013 21:43:24 GMT -5
Ramon phone home!
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2013 21:44:15 GMT -5
This whining and moaning about losing Galloway (good as he was) IS NOT HOW YOU BUILD A WINNING PROGRAM
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Post by lwc4591 on Nov 19, 2013 21:44:29 GMT -5
By the way we added Lewis and Zack to team since NCAA tourney run and lost Galloway so it is more than just Galloway affecting this team.
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Post by kylebabcock139 on Nov 19, 2013 21:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2013 21:47:20 GMT -5
Man some of you must keep the straw industry in business with how many straw man arguments you create.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 19, 2013 21:49:04 GMT -5
If Galloway could shut down Donovan Jack from 3 then yes we missed him.
If Galloway could take Sam Mill's place tonight then yes we missed him. Sam was a no-show tonight...on both ends.
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