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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Aug 28, 2013 15:27:45 GMT -5
Love this topic, but I think it's tough to put Ramon on that all-time roster with only two seasons at La Salle. That's a discussion to have in a handful of years, to see if he carved himself a professional career here in the states. Had a conversation with a scout for the Lakers and he was adamant that Ramon was not NBA material. I just happened to say he was playing overseas and he basically said: "Good, that's where he should stay." Don't know if I agree totally but there's one opinion for those curious.
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Post by durenduren on Aug 28, 2013 18:35:23 GMT -5
Had a conversation with a scout for the Lakers and he was adamant that Ramon was not NBA material. I just happened to say he was playing overseas and he basically said: "Good, that's where he should stay." Yeah, I'm no NBA scout so I'll take his opinion for what it's worth. Think his style could fit with some growth and adaptation, but it's an extreme long shot (as with 99.9% of players). At least he's making a pretty penny, experiencing the world, doing what he loves, and providing for his family at the same time.
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Post by calidelphia on Aug 28, 2013 20:12:18 GMT -5
Agreed all around. I put him on there since I wanted someone representing the sweet run and he was a glue guy who created team chemistry. Also, the scout sounds like he's got some vitriol. It's pretty easy to talk smack on the Lakers drafting decisions over the past few years let alone personnel decisions, but I'll pass to keep the thread on target.
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Post by ncaabestin1969 on Aug 28, 2013 22:37:52 GMT -5
For me, it's awfully tough to choose between (pre-knee injury) Ken Durrett and Lionel Simmons as the best post Gola La Salle forward. BTW, the Durrett vs Howard Porter matchups were classics. And I was at the Palestra to see Durrett burn W. Kentucky's All-American Jim McDaniels for 44 points AFTER McDaniels blocked his first shot.
For St. Joes - Clifford Anderson (at 6'3" - 6'4") is the man. His rebounding (and scoring) figures were awe inspiring. And Mike Hauer was a total working class rebounding-dude. (Jim Crawford was sorta like him, but not quite as good).
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Post by ncaabestin1969 on Aug 29, 2013 7:05:34 GMT -5
Broderick the 69 team was the best Big 5 team ever, period. 4 NBA/ABA players in starting five with Dunphy and 6-7 (can't remember spelling - Polish name) back-up off bench. Team ended up 23 or 24-1 with only loss being I think 81-80 to S. Carolina in early season tourny. I know Nova won 86 tourny but simply was not as good as 69ers. Yes, the only loss was to South Carolina in the Quaker City Christmas Tournament at the Spectrum. SC slowed down the game to neutralize our speed. Their PG was John Roche who went to the NBA where I believe he had a solid career. One of La Salle's key rotation guys was Ed (I won't spell it correctly but phonetically it was shes-nee) Schnezy. Incidentally, although the 1969 team was inelligible because probabtion for post-season play, they were ranked # 2 nationally behing UCLA led by Lew Alcindor, nee Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
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Post by ncaabestin1969 on Aug 29, 2013 7:11:10 GMT -5
I was at that game. It was very frustrating inside the Spectrum. Each time we got the ball it seemed there was immense pressure to be perfect and score on the possession. Our guys had to play in an unnatural way, which was infuriating.
But outside the Spectrum in the parking lot after the loss, there was pure vitriol and bitterness. I can't recall La Salle supporters ever being so pissed off.
( Sorry, meant to attach the above quote on this post but screwed up ).
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Post by virginia61 on Aug 29, 2013 12:27:52 GMT -5
The La Salle 90 vs. SJU 04 debate is interesting. Hard to not lean toward SJU as I believe they accomplished more, primarily in that they competed in a stronger conference. Both very solid teams. Really liked the 90 Explorers. Another good one was the 74-75 team - Bryant, Tayler, Wise, Collier and Jim W (I think that was it). Disappointing end to season in first round NCAA loss to Syracuse at Palestra, who went to final 4. Feel free to check my memory - I think it was 74-75
In terms of individual players, there is no doubt that La Salle has had more "superstars" over the years than SJU. The best La Salle players of all time can match up with pretty much any program in the country, including Kentucky, Kansas, NC, etc. (By the way, I like Galloway, but he doesn't sniff the floor on that team). However, SJU as a program over this same period - call it 60 years and almost any interim period between - has had the better program by a fairly large margin. They've had a lot of not great, but very good players. And they had them consistently. Martelli has had a solid career at SJU, but he's about 3rd or 4th in line to coach that team, with Ramsey in front.
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Post by lwc4591 on Aug 29, 2013 14:26:27 GMT -5
Virginia61 2012/13 team accomplished more than 90 team but 2012/13 was no match for 90 team. No way would I favor Joe's 04 over 90 team simply because Overton and Woods would for the most part cancel out Joe's strength, Nelson and West. La Salle had the advantage off the bench. Not once all season did Nelson and West face any combination close to Overton and Woods. Simmons would be very difficult fot Joe's to play against because their big guy stayed close to the basket and Simmons could go in or out. We will never know but I go with the Explos.
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Post by virginia61 on Aug 29, 2013 17:35:17 GMT -5
LWC - Agree that 12-13 team is no match for 90 team. 12-13 happened to get further in the tournament but, no, they aren't close. We'll have to agree to disagree on SJU 04. Undefeated regular season in A-10 (vs. MAAC) and final 8 unfortunately trumps what La Salle accomplished in 90. You can't lose a 16 pt halftime lead in the 2nd round to a good, but not great, team and be considered on par with what that St. Joe team did (in my opinion). Other comparisons are purely theoretical
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Post by durenduren on Aug 29, 2013 18:37:41 GMT -5
You can't lose a 16 pt halftime lead in the 2nd round to a good, but not great, team...l agree with the statement, but k state was only a #4 seed, 27-8 and 14-4 conference record. and weren't they ranked #14 or something? But give credit where credit is due - they were a really good squad.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 29, 2013 18:50:24 GMT -5
I think he's referring to the '90 team.
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Post by lwc4591 on Aug 29, 2013 19:01:29 GMT -5
Virginia we both have no idea which team was better but trying to compare A10 and MAAC statement means nothing in the grand scheme of things. La Salle crushed just about every MAAC opponent while the Joey's had several near misses and lost in the A10 tourney. I liked the Nelson team but I just didn't love them like you. The 90 team was screwed in the second half by three or four critical calls with all of them going against the Explorer's which I will never forget. My favorite was the one where they called Lionel for going over the top which was comical. L Train was astonished on that call and it was clear to see why.
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Post by durenduren on Aug 29, 2013 22:17:51 GMT -5
I think he's referring to the '90 team. I'm such a boner.
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