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Post by durenduren on Jul 15, 2013 14:40:13 GMT -5
Can we all agree when Steve goes Steve, we stop responding with anything other than "Stop being a boner"? Man, that made me laugh. Dead on response. I shouldn't have even responded. I fell for the trap.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 15, 2013 14:43:58 GMT -5
But, in doing so, you may have closed the trap forever.
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Post by calsufan on Jul 15, 2013 14:45:17 GMT -5
All of a sudden I am conflicted about Murray after reading Coqui's post. I never felt sympathetic towards the guy and always thought it was an ego thing as well. Yeah, I've never really hated Aaric like I think a lot of people have; he's more the guy you talk shit back and forth with for fun than a guy you honestly hate. Granted, I know nothing of what he's really like, he just seemed like a constant mix of tremendous pressure and ego inside of a not dumb but probably immature mind. I'd still like him to succeed because it seems shitty to root against a guy for no reason better than "my college basketball experience wasn't maximized when he was around". This is a good post and I agree with you to a large extent, but there's still a piece of me that says "F him for his attitude.". Not very Christian of me I know, but I'm not going to lie about it. I feel bad on some level, but then I come back to the fact that sooner or later, we all have to be responsible for ourselves.
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Post by golasalle on Jul 15, 2013 14:53:16 GMT -5
Up until a few short years ago G was still naive when it came to recruiting, scheduling and coaching in close games. Thankfully for our program G took advice from coaches who provided the information and knowledge that was needed to get us back into the post-season and build our program back into national prominence. And you have inside information on this how? Your proof is what? The Coz told him.
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Post by coqui900 on Jul 15, 2013 14:55:18 GMT -5
I don't hate Aaric by any means. He had a lot stacked up against him from birth and hasn't been able to overcome it. It's not an excuse -- Ramon could not possibly have had more on his shoulders and is someone that, if I ever have kids, would point to in one second to use as a role model.
Aaric faced struggles growing up that I can't even begin to imagine. There could also very well be a biological issue w/ Aaric's brain chemistry that he's never been seriously treated for. It's sad.
If you don't know the Luther Wright saga, look it up some time. A quick primer: Luther was an absolute monster recruit coming out of high school who had a ton of baggage. He ended up going to Seton Hall and played on the Terry Dehere teams. He left school early for the NBA. Utah drafted him. He lasted two weeks before freaking out (I think he took a joyride with some kids at some point) and ended up in a state mental hospital and was diagnosed with all sorts of issues. He ended up homeless in Newark, addicted to crack, and had a leg or a foot amputated because of an untreated infection. Former teammates finally reached out to him and picked him up a bit.
Aaric is headed down that same path. Whoever is steering him at least had the good sense to tell him not to head to the pros yet.
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Post by bernards on Jul 15, 2013 14:56:59 GMT -5
These are hard lessons for him. He still has a significant opportunity either in his last year in college or earning some serious bucks overseas. I thought going to Huggy was the worst thing for him. Huggy dropping him may be the best. He will have to take account for himself. I wish him the best, but last year would not happened with him on the team.
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Post by durenduren on Jul 15, 2013 15:12:52 GMT -5
Over on the WVU board, they're already looking at La Salle and saying addition by subtraction. There was also talk that he skipped a workout on his birthday, and subsequently missed a 6am workout that was scheduled as punishment. He went AWOL for a few days, unable to be contacted apparently. Again, speculation.
Huggins appearing on some local "Sportline" WVU show around 6p to discuss the Aaric departure.
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Post by jellybean on Jul 15, 2013 16:12:26 GMT -5
I wonder how Billy Hahn feels today? Wonder what Murray did to the Hahn-Huggins relationship?
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jul 15, 2013 17:56:58 GMT -5
I heard after Aaric left that there was a thought that he suffered from some severe mental health issues. This could really well be the case. Hope he gets his issues taken care of. I completely agree. I don't wish him any ill will, I feel bad that he is wasting his talent. If you are correct about his mental issues I would also hope he gets the right help.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jul 15, 2013 18:16:26 GMT -5
Does someone know enough about the guy to speculate about mental health issues? I mean, until I hear something from a person who has had access to him, I'm inclined to believe that this is just a guy who picked up a basketball later than most, was dominant, and lacked the skills to cope and cooperate when things went wrong on the court. Maybe some ego issues. The pot charges don't mean that much; he just got caught where a lot of people don't. I hope that's all it is, because he can still grow and become a successful ball player if that's the case. Is there something I don't know that points to a more serious condition?
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Post by sweat83 on Jul 15, 2013 18:42:09 GMT -5
I watched a few WV games this past year on TV, and was fairly impressed with AM's play. But it was very inconsistent, and he more often then not, looked totally lost in Huggie's system. Every game, Coach gave him an earful whenever he took him off the court. Actually, more than an earful. It was a replay of G when AM played his 2 years at LaSalle. He just would not listen to what the coaches wanted him to do. He did his own thing, and would not buy into the TEAM concept. Where he'll end up next? My prediction...RIDER? Or will Joe M take a chance on him at Hofstra?
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Post by calidelphia on Jul 15, 2013 18:59:16 GMT -5
Rutgers has got one scholarship left to fill.
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Post by angryal on Jul 15, 2013 19:09:27 GMT -5
The best thing La Salle ever did was kick this loser to the curb.
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Post by coqui900 on Jul 15, 2013 19:16:45 GMT -5
Rutgers has got one scholarship left to fill. That's an interesting thought. Eddie Jordan w/ his NBA resume might get Aaric under control. But is Rutgers, the king of awful PR, willing to accept a headcase with an arrest record? I think Aaric is going to go low-D1. He has a track record. He's worth a risk for someone in like the Southland or wherever looking to climb the ranks. Either way, good luck. AM was definitely the program changer we thought he'd be when he signed.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jul 15, 2013 20:27:38 GMT -5
Obviously the young man has issues so maybe we should just leave him alone instead of this never ending beat down. I realize he caused problems for G and players but in life so many have problems that we should be more understanding or at least try to understand and be compassionate for those who don't know in many cases the harm they are causing. Sound like an excuse but many in todays world suffer with varying degrees of mental issues.
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Post by scarletexplorer on Jul 15, 2013 21:33:28 GMT -5
Rutgers has got one scholarship left to fill. That's an interesting thought. Eddie Jordan w/ his NBA resume might get Aaric under control. But is Rutgers, the king of awful PR, willing to accept a headcase with an arrest record? I think Aaric is going to go low-D1. He has a track record. He's worth a risk for someone in like the Southland or wherever looking to climb the ranks. Either way, good luck. AM was definitely the program changer we thought he'd be when he signed. Aaric wouldn't get what he wanted at Rutgers. He wouldn't be "The Man." Even Rutgers has better players than him right now. He should set his sights a lot lower.
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 16, 2013 12:26:01 GMT -5
From Andy Katz today: "2. Two years ago at the A-10 media day, La Salle coach John Giannini expressed no remorse over the departure of his perceived most talented player Aaric Murray. He was trouble for the Explorers and no one was whining over his departure to seek playing time elsewhere. West Virginia took him. Now the Mountaineers have essentially dumped him. Murray may find another team to take him -- someone always does. But his professional basketball career prospects have taken a major hit. If a team from the NBA is tantalized by his talent but calls Giannini or Bob Huggins they'll hardly get a good report. Murray has done more damage to himself than to either La Salle or West Virginia. The Explorers went to the Sweet 16 without him. That should send a clear message of how much he affects a team or the game." espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/86396/3-point-shot-unc-mulling-hairston-options
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Post by mookie on Jul 16, 2013 13:29:22 GMT -5
It's really unfortunate. My original thoughts on AM and Coach G were that if somehow, LaSalle blows this and AM doesn't get drafted in the 1st round then LaSalle would never be able to attract high end talent (specifically, big men).
AM could probably go the D-League route (a la Glen Rice Jr) and rebuild his image a little, but I really don't believe he's willing to listen to anybody (as is obvious from his stays at LaSalle & WVU).
With a coachable AM, LaSalle would've been a force and he never would've had to leave LaSalle...
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Post by coachd on Jul 16, 2013 13:40:40 GMT -5
The best thing La Salle ever did was kick this loser to the curb. You got that right brother. G learned a lot by talking with former Xavier coach Sean Miller after he took the head coaching job at Arizona. Miller told G how to schedule and how to maximize his recruiting efforts by getting involved more with kids in "his own back yard" which eventually leads to an expanded recruiting area. ND Coach Mike Brey also gave G some pointers on how to thrive at the D1 level... which is much more complicated then the D3 level. The assistants had to be taught some tricks of the trade as well (when to get on a certain official, how to instruct during timeouts, etc). The team now practices end of game scenarios. You can see the progression over the past 3 seasons. - Jack.
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Post by mookie on Jul 16, 2013 13:42:34 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^^^ why is this guy even talking?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 14:11:32 GMT -5
You got that right brother. G learned a lot by talking with former Xavier coach Sean Miller after he took the head coaching job at Arizona. Miller told G how to schedule and how to maximize his recruiting efforts by getting involved more with kids in "his own back yard" which eventually leads to an expanded recruiting area. ND Coach Mike Brey also gave G some pointers on how to thrive at the D1 level... which is much more complicated then the D3 level. The assistants had to be taught some tricks of the trade as well (when to get on a certain official, how to instruct during timeouts, etc). The team now practices end of game scenarios. You can see the progression over the past 3 seasons. - Jack. All I can say is "wow" (and stop being a boner).
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Jul 16, 2013 14:47:49 GMT -5
The best thing La Salle ever did was kick this loser to the curb. You got that right brother...You can see the progression over the past 3 seasons. - Jack (ass). I have corrected your signature for posterity.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jul 16, 2013 14:58:06 GMT -5
I like the "Jack" signature. What a subtle way of saying, "I'm not Steve." Shades of Al Miller on this thread.
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Post by durenduren on Jul 16, 2013 14:59:12 GMT -5
All I can say is "wow" (and stop being a boner).
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Post by glorydays on Jul 16, 2013 18:41:01 GMT -5
You got that right brother. G learned a lot by talking with former Xavier coach Sean Miller after he took the head coaching job at Arizona. Miller told G how to schedule and how to maximize his recruiting efforts by getting involved more with kids in "his own back yard" which eventually leads to an expanded recruiting area. ND Coach Mike Brey also gave G some pointers on how to thrive at the D1 level... which is much more complicated then the D3 level. The assistants had to be taught some tricks of the trade as well (when to get on a certain official, how to instruct during timeouts, etc). The team now practices end of game scenarios. You can see the progression over the past 3 seasons. - Jack. All I can say is "wow" (and stop being a boner). Why all the hubub about coachd aka jack(off) revealing part of the truth about Coach Giannini's uptick as a coach. I want to emphasize the "part of" because I know the rest of the story. Let me continue. I have it from a very reliable source that right after the 10-11 season G was abducted by aliens and taken to their spaceship which hovered above Cape May. After the usual poking and prodding of G's body, G was taken to the spacecraft's gym (no bleachers behind the basket) where he was mentored by an extraterrestial wizzard from LaSalle Universe. The wizzard (aka The Wiz) was able to transfer coaching skills into G's brain. Of course, G has kept this a secret because people would question his mental health. I know for a fact that this was the second time that G was abducted. (5 years ago he was abducted and the aliens gave him the new hairstyle. The alien hairstylists replaced the paisan brushback with the short brushdown.) .-sonny crockett
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Post by MisterD on Jul 16, 2013 21:25:13 GMT -5
"Jack" is probably an homage to JFK and the entire Kennedy family.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 16, 2013 22:05:31 GMT -5
Guys, I wouldn't worry about it. No need to get upset. Believe me this guy isn't worth it.
Aaric will most likely go low level D1 maybe Horizon or MAAC potentially even D3. Rutgers will not take this guy, no chance. There are quite a few strong available transfers or recruits they could pick up.
I really disapproved of Aaric his last year here and last season. He was tweeting calling La Salle kids out and I can't tell you how many people tweeted at him including Duren giving him a lot of crap. He asked for it and got it. Even though I really do not like him I do not wish him the worst. My hope maybe he can figure out his clear mental issues and end up playing overseas. There is no shot he makes the NBA any time soon.
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Post by durenduren on Jul 16, 2013 23:47:40 GMT -5
You're all a bunch of boneheads. I have it from solid sources... I mean... I received a direct tip from Bill Murray himself that I could find video of Giannini's first moment of coaching genius in our favorite film, Space Jam. So off I went. I marched my ass down to my local Blockbuster quicker than I could spell Halil Kanacevic. And there it was, next to Steve's favorite movie, Conspiracy Theory... Attachment DeletedIronically enough, I think I spotted Aaric riding the pine for the Monstars... The rest of you have gone AWOL.
Sincerely, Jimmy Hoffa
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Post by mookie on Jul 17, 2013 8:43:00 GMT -5
All I can say is "wow" (and stop being a boner). Why all the hubub about coachd aka jack(off) revealing part of the truth about Coach Giannini's uptick as a coach. I want to emphasize the "part of" because I know the rest of the story. Let me continue. I have it from a very reliable source that right after the 10-11 season G was abducted by aliens and taken to their spaceship which hovered above Cape May. After the usual poking and prodding of G's body, G was taken to the spacecraft's gym (no bleachers behind the basket) where he was mentored by an extraterrestial wizzard from LaSalle Universe. The wizzard (aka The Wiz) was able to transfer coaching skills into G's brain. Of course, G has kept this a secret because people would question his mental health. I know for a fact that this was the second time that G was abducted. (5 years ago he was abducted and the aliens gave him the new hairstyle. The alien hairstylists replaced the paisan brushback with the short brushdown.) .-sonny crockett I wonder if it was the same aliens that abducted Baron Davis??? www.nydailynews.com/new-york/baron-davis-abducted-aliens-article-1.1397660
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Post by coachd on Jul 17, 2013 9:17:43 GMT -5
All I can say is "wow" (and stop being a boner). Why all the hubub about coachd aka jack(off) revealing part of the truth about Coach Giannini's uptick as a coach. I want to emphasize the "part of" because I know the rest of the story. Let me continue. I have it from a very reliable source that right after the 10-11 season G was abducted by aliens and taken to their spaceship which hovered above Cape May. After the usual poking and prodding of G's body, G was taken to the spacecraft's gym (no bleachers behind the basket) where he was mentored by an extraterrestial wizzard from LaSalle Universe. The wizzard (aka The Wiz) was able to transfer coaching skills into G's brain. Of course, G has kept this a secret because people would question his mental health. I know for a fact that this was the second time that G was abducted. (5 years ago he was abducted and the aliens gave him the new hairstyle. The alien hairstylists replaced the paisan brushback with the short brushdown.) .-sonny crockett Details, details. There is also a yet undiscovered area (beyond the Temple of the Jaguar) at Chichen Itza where G was brought to by the spirit of coach Ken. Along with GD and all the other 2 board members from Delaware... a secret meeting of those from the less populated states. None of the proceedings were ever discussed outside of this secret place for fear of being banished to Alaska.
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