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Post by casey44 on Jun 28, 2013 5:29:50 GMT -5
Got to agree with stlexplorer as far as Price looking like a chiseled Earl Pettis. I think his rebound stats were a little weak for someone so imposing in stature, but am reminded that he had a stress fracture to deal with. Stukes looked about 6'4 in the photo with Rodney. Size of guards will be tough to deal with. This almost makes you feel like- why recruit, just wait for the ripe fruit to drop off the tree. I really am hoping we can keep Washington.
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Post by explorerman on Jun 28, 2013 7:08:31 GMT -5
Got to agree with stlexplorer as far as Price looking like a chiseled Earl Pettis. I think his rebound stats were a little weak for someone so imposing in stature, but am reminded that he had a stress fracture to deal with. Stukes looked about 6'4 in the photo with Rodney. Size of guards will be tough to deal with. This almost makes you feel like- why recruit, just wait for the ripe fruit to drop off the tree. I really am hoping we can keep Washington. Pettis has been mentioned a couple times on here as a compensation however Price has the much better offensive pedigree and better perimeter shooter... Pettis was in large part a volume shooter and I don't believe Price is going to be that.. I agree with the rebounding concern, maybe he plays smaller than his body type should and likes to play outside the arc..
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jun 28, 2013 7:50:13 GMT -5
Hard to know what role Jordan was playing for a team that seemingly was undersized down low and had a ton of guys that were 6-4 to 6-6 and overall weren't a tremendous rebounding team - they're offensive rebounding % was similar to ours, defensively it was a little bit better, but no one was touting our squad as a rebounding juggernaut. I watched Auburn play a few times, they simply were a bad team.
Other concern i have is that a guy who is a sharpshooter shot 25% from 3 point range in conference play. Now, maybe it was because he basically only got 2 shots per game from distance and it's hard to get in rhythm but something to consider.
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Post by explorerman on Jun 28, 2013 8:38:06 GMT -5
Naturally, his first season figure is a better indication than just conference play.. It was right around this time he was battling a fairly significant injury..
He is a streaky shooter.. However, as noticed with Galloway, the offense puts shooters in higher percentage shooting situations... Stukes, and to a lesser extent Lewis, driving and kicking to an open Roberts or Price on either wing is well very nice to think about... and as mentioned before good luck defending that... Playing into people's strengths is what this allows.. Stukes beating off the dribble (his strength) to Roberts, Price and/or Peterson being open shooters (their strengths) or Stukes keeping and finishing at the basket (his strength).
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Post by bernards on Jun 28, 2013 8:49:19 GMT -5
It has been a long time since we had this much to look forward to onerous 3-4 years. G has lots of options to play differently.
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Post by broderickpresident on Jun 28, 2013 8:50:11 GMT -5
Here's some more video of Jordan from a state playoff game last year. He kind of reminds me of Jamel Artis who G really liked. He's got guard skills but is big and strong enough to cover forwards. He's 230 lbs but it's not a flabby 230. He had a college ready body before he even got to Auburn. And based on this film, he looks like he has Ramon-type range and a sweet stroke. He had his fair share of assists in this game also. Some very impressive and fluid lefty finishes in traffic. Looks like he can finish very well with both hands in addition to the sweet stroke. Apparently, Barbee is not very well thought of at Auburn. Maybe Price saw the writing on the wall...
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Post by 23won on Jun 28, 2013 10:16:52 GMT -5
It'll be a year until I see him in A10 play so I will make up a wish list of what I hope Price can do
1) Most importantly, fit within the system G has created, especially alongside Cleon and Amar who I hope can do the same. Practice should be crazy with
Reke/Khalid; Ty; and Sam/DJ
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Stukes, Roberts Price
2) Give us some defensive strength to body up and defend guys who killed us last year, like StL's Evans and WSU's point forward who killed us in mismatches.
3) Bring a muscular version of he athleticism Ramon brought with him from the SEC
4) Develop the same practice work ethic Ramon brought
5) Deliver some Damion Lee on steroid performances to help us forget that we just missed on that prospect
6) Slash and deliver some assists to Jerrell and Steve when D's try to slide to cover the drive
7) Have the same kind of team first personality that the '12-'13 and '13-'14 team leaders possess so well.
Go G!
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Post by big5vet on Jun 28, 2013 11:34:24 GMT -5
Nice summary UBP. I'm thinking the coaching staff will really stress the importance of team rebounding & defense with Jordan. He's got all the makings of a terrific signing. We just can't yet judge the level of personal commitment he'll willing to make. Finding the next Ramon, in this regard, will be very difficult. From basketball ability standpoint I think we have added a real talent for the offense. We'll learn more about chemistry, effort and other intangibles begining 2014.
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Post by casey44 on Jun 28, 2013 11:41:51 GMT -5
23 won, his weaknesses according to scout are: average athleticism and defense. Athleticism unlikely to change, but hopefully, playing with a well above average team defensively will alert him as to when he can expect help and improvements he must make on his own to limit these situations. As far as rebounding numbers, I should have also noted that he only played 14mpg. A real stud who really should get the interest of an impact big to form a top tier A-10 for at least three more years. We may not agree with each other from time to time, but things are looking up. I, as well as many others, was an outspoken critic of G, but those who sat on the fence with your finger in the air have no right to crow. At the end of the day, posters here are the absolute core of the program (as well as those who prefer to read only).
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Post by broderickpresident on Jun 28, 2013 12:06:39 GMT -5
Also, though the SEC is far from the best basketball conference, it is easily the most athletic basketball conference. So his athleticism (or lack thereof) will be far less of an issue in the A-10. I'd say A-10 teams have far better guards and hoops IQs, but the athleticism is off the charts in the SEC. Goodridge and Galloway are probably the 2 best running, jumping athletes we've had in recent years. No surprise they both came from the SEC (by way of the NE, ironically)
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Post by jellybean on Jun 28, 2013 13:14:59 GMT -5
23 won, his weaknesses according to scout are: average athleticism and defense. Athleticism unlikely to change, but hopefully, playing with a well above average team defensively will alert him as to when he can expect help and improvements he must make on his own to limit these situations. As far as rebounding numbers, I should have also noted that he only played 14mpg. A real stud who really should get the interest of an impact big to form a top tier A-10 for at least three more years. We may not agree with each other from time to time, but things are looking up. I, as well as many others, was an outspoken critic of G, but those who sat on the fence with your finger in the air have no right to crow. At the end of the day, posters here are the absolute core of the program (as well as those who prefer to read only). As someone who was a G supporter, do we have a right to crow? Just covering your bases.
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Post by coqui900 on Jun 28, 2013 14:03:16 GMT -5
I wonder what Kyle Vinanes thinks of this.
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Post by casey44 on Jun 28, 2013 15:24:40 GMT -5
23 won, his weaknesses according to scout are: average athleticism and defense. Athleticism unlikely to change, but hopefully, playing with a well above average team defensively will alert him as to when he can expect help and improvements he must make on his own to limit these situations. As far as rebounding numbers, I should have also noted that he only played 14mpg. A real stud who really should get the interest of an impact big to form a top tier A-10 for at least three more years. We may not agree with each other from time to time, but things are looking up. I, as well as many others, was an outspoken critic of G, but those who sat on the fence with your finger in the air have no right to crow. At the end of the day, posters here are the absolute core of the program (as well as those who prefer to read only). As someone who was a G supporter, do we have a right to crow? Just covering your bases.
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Post by casey44 on Jun 28, 2013 15:25:32 GMT -5
Sure, gloat away jellybean. Also, about 3pt shooting: a stress fracture can have that effect, I think. I'd be timid about elevating The fracture came after ooc games.
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Post by 23won on Jun 28, 2013 16:08:45 GMT -5
" 23 won, his weaknesses according to scout are: average athleticism and defense. Athleticism unlikely to change, but hopefully, playing with a well above average team defensively will alert him as to when he can expect help and improvements he must make on his own to limit these situations. As far as rebounding numbers, I should have also noted that he only played 14mpg. The Scout rap sheet was relevant at the time, when he was in high school. He also got 4 stars, something we haven't seen much of ' round here, so I guess I can take an athletically average 4 star HS athlete. I also think it's more relevant to fast forward from the HS Scout piece and focus on D1 performance. Despite getting less playing time after an injury, he had a really productive frosh year in a very athletic conference. According to the article posted on the first page, "The freshman guard was a sharpshooter from 3-point range, hitting 11 straight 3-pointers during one stretch in December to tie an SEC record." He also was unconscious in scoring 19 points in 21 minutes against our A10 mate, URI. I can live with both of those - it doesn't sound average athletically for the position to me. YMMV (and hopefully you call this average point like you called Ramon a suspect shooter ;-) ). Have a good weekend. It'd good to enjoy a beer or two this weekend thinking about how good this guy can be in Blue and Gold!
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Post by casey44 on Jun 28, 2013 21:50:49 GMT -5
23, I'm simply repeating what scout had to say about him. As far as I know there is no quantitative statistic for athleticism. If you want to bring up why I found Ramon suspect, it was a two year stat of poor 3 pt shooting. He is the exception to my belief that stats will not normally change as drastic as his did in the last two years vs. the first two. Our conference proved to be every bit as good as the SEC,so it could not have been because of a different quality of teams faced. I believe it was a perfect storm chemistry wise and a complete acceptance of G's scheme. Players rarely change shooting % as drastically as he did. You did not mention that I predicted Pepper and Oliver would be busts at their current schools for the same reason. BCS means squat to me. Carr couldn't shoot at Iowa State and he brought the same act to SJU, which I also said would be the case. Three out of four ain't bad. I couldn't be happier that Galloway blew my theory to pieces. Now we're getting a good one from Ga. Southern. I feel he will succeed here because G has proven to me that he can make pieces fit. He has also been able to adjust to situations (subbing in and out to protect players) than he did in the earlier years. I still don't believe a tiger changes stripes to the extent that Galloway did and would have been on the wrong side of that situation again. But you can't have it both ways when bringing up what I had to say two years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 22:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by casey44 on Jun 28, 2013 23:20:35 GMT -5
One final note for 23- I am as thrilled as everyone else to get a legit 4*. Why do you believe I'm somehow putting the kid down? Just trying to add to the conversation. No, I don't believe we ever had a gd. that was 6'5,230. He sounds more like a linebacker. Pettis was the only one to compare him to, other than Jack Hurd as tall gds that could really knock down treys. Pettis is probably the least efficient of those three, but this guy looks to have little body fat on him. With all of these big guards, posting up entered my mind again, but I think we're beyond that as far as a first choice. Not to be mean, but I wonder if he has a sick relative that would consider moving to Philly?
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Post by big5explorer on Jun 29, 2013 7:27:18 GMT -5
Might be time to change the title of this thread. All of us might agree. He's not just "another transfer."
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Post by casey44 on Jun 29, 2013 8:39:23 GMT -5
No doubt that the sweet sixteen is the main reason for these transfers, but I also think that the "behind the scene" videos have a lot to do with it. At a recent reunion I met one of the bd members and the first thing that he said when I told him that I was a graduate was "did you see the behind the scene video of the K State game?" It gave him chills as well. Kudos again to all the students who put this together. I have no doubt this professionally put together piece has a lot to do with potential recruits. Who wouldn't have wanted to be part of the genuine togetherness of these players and coaches? You can't fake the affection shown between the players and G. I have yet to see a better site for any school, including the BCS ones, as far as basketball goes. Our style of play is no doubt appealing to gds, but how in the hell did we just land a recruit like this, who has no ties to the area? G may be able to get kids to see beyond the warts, but that site has got to get their attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 14:57:19 GMT -5
I'm sure the S16 run and behind the scenes videos helped to land Price, but I wouldn't be surprised if the initial connection was assistant coach Will Bailey. Will was an assistant at East Tennessee State before coming to La Salle, and while he was there, Jordan was an up and coming star at a prep school in Chattanooga for two years prior to moving to Georgia. Will recruited Tennessee heavily while at ETSU.
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Post by sweat83 on Jun 29, 2013 18:09:00 GMT -5
No doubt that the sweet sixteen is the main reason for these transfers, but I also think that the "behind the scene" videos have a lot to do with it. At a recent reunion I met one of the bd members and the first thing that he said when I told him that I was a graduate was "did you see the behind the scene video of the K State game?" It gave him chills as well. Kudos again to all the students who put this together. I have no doubt this professionally put together piece has a lot to do with potential recruits. Who wouldn't have wanted to be part of the genuine togetherness of these players and coaches? You can't fake the affection shown between the players and G. I have yet to see a better site for any school, including the BCS ones, as far as basketball goes. Our style of play is no doubt appealing to gds, but how in the hell did we just land a recruit like this, who has no ties to the area? G may be able to get kids to see beyond the warts, but that site has got to get their attention. I watch that video at least once a week. Spirit, teamwork, heart, leadership, history & love all rolled into several minutes. I love it.
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Post by broderickpresident on Jun 29, 2013 19:48:04 GMT -5
Talked to an Auburn alum about Price. He says he was the biggest bright spot on the team before the injury...
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Post by stlexplorer on Jun 29, 2013 22:15:46 GMT -5
Talked to an Auburn alum about Price. He says he was the biggest bright spot on the team before the injury... Damn can't wait until this guy is in blue and gold
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 9:28:47 GMT -5
This is in no way to short change the recent/present Tyreek, Galloway, Mills.. This does not happen without them taking a chance on us vs. other schools.. I will forever be indebted to them for it.. And I am very excited for the season. I agree 100%, but I feel the same way about Paul Johnson, Rodney Green, Yves Mekongo-Mbala, Kimmani Barrett, and even Ruben Guillandeaux. Those are the guys who really took a leap of faith and believed in G and La Salle when the program was at rock bottom. Without them coming and bringing some moderate success (which would have been better if not for injuries and some chemistry problems from other players), we may have not gotten a sniff from many of our current players.
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Post by glorydays on Jul 1, 2013 12:26:09 GMT -5
All basketball fans believe in reincarnation I was speaking to a 71er's this weekend who upon viewing the Jordan Price videos...believes him to be Chet Walker like. Chet "The Jet" Walker was one of my all time 76er favorites. You have to pay homage to Jack Ramsay's coaching ability but as a General Manager trading Chet Walker for Jim Washington was atrocious. Then again...Ramsay traded Wilt.
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Post by golasalle on Jul 1, 2013 13:36:28 GMT -5
This is in no way to short change the recent/present Tyreek, Galloway, Mills.. This does not happen without them taking a chance on us vs. other schools.. I will forever be indebted to them for it.. And I am very excited for the season. I agree 100%, but I feel the same way about Paul Johnson, Rodney Green, Yves Mekongo-Mbala, Kimmani Barrett, and even Ruben Guillandeaux. Those are the guys who really took a leap of faith and believed in G and La Salle when the program was at rock bottom. Without them coming and bringing some moderate success (which would have been better if not for injuries and some chemistry problems from other players), we may have not gotten a sniff from many of our current players. Couldn't agree more or have put it better. While we all would have liked to see that group have more success, that group laid the groundwork for the turnaround of the program.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Jul 1, 2013 13:58:29 GMT -5
I agree 100%, but I feel the same way about Paul Johnson, Rodney Green, Yves Mekongo-Mbala, Kimmani Barrett, and even Ruben Guillandeaux. Those are the guys who really took a leap of faith and believed in G and La Salle when the program was at rock bottom. Without them coming and bringing some moderate success (which would have been better if not for injuries and some chemistry problems from other players), we may have not gotten a sniff from many of our current players. Couldn't agree more or have put it better. While we all would have liked to see that group have more success, that group laid the groundwork for the turnaround of the program. Don't forget Steven Smith, Lewis Fadipe and Jermaine Thomas. I can still see the three of them standing at center court at Gola with "G", arms raised, as they concluded their home careers at LaSalle and ended the streak.
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Post by coqui900 on Jul 1, 2013 14:31:06 GMT -5
Steven Smith and JT kept the program from being completely dead. Like "banished from the A-10" dead.
The Rodney Era -- those guys caught a few bad breaks. They were going to do some damage until the whole team got hurt. That year was a total wash.
I've ripped G for a lot of things (as, for the most part, we all have) but he had us on the cusp of doing wonderful things for a long time. We came really close to sneaking into the NIT Steve and JT's senior year. We became the "team you do not want to deal with under any circumstances whatsoever" in Darnell's senior year. Rodney's junior year team should have been a NIT team but got hosed.
G said that once we got good we were going to stay good. It certainly looks that way.
I also, in retrospect, really like how flexible he is in altering his style. The Steve Smith teams played different from Darnell's senior year. When Rodney's class took over, they played inside-outside and were dynamite at rebounding. And now we're a 4-guard offense predicated on perimeter play -- one of the best teams in the country at shooting from deep and preventing from deep and awful at rebounding.
Darnell also should get a ton of credit. The program came alive after the St. Joe's Whistleblower game.
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Post by Gnocchi on Jul 1, 2013 14:49:15 GMT -5
All basketball fans believe in reincarnation I was speaking to a 71er's this weekend who upon viewing the Jordan Price videos...believes him to be Chet Walker like. Chet "The Jet" Walker was one of my all time 76er favorites. You have to pay homage to Jack Ramsay's coaching ability but as a General Manager trading Chet Walker for Jim Washington was atrocious. Then again...Ramsay traded Wilt.
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