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Post by broderickpresident on May 1, 2013 14:29:07 GMT -5
Take their best player?
Just heard CCSU's Kyle Vinales will visit La Salle
21.6 PPG last season (8th in D-I). 19.8 PPG over 2-year career thus far. 39 in 2 games vs LSU
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Post by mookie on May 1, 2013 14:31:40 GMT -5
wow...that's pretty significant.
how credible is this??
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Post by big5vet on May 1, 2013 14:55:08 GMT -5
Although he hails from Farmington Hills, MI, Kyle attended Phelps School, a private prep school in Malvern, PA. That's gotta help a little, in addition to the feel he gained competing against the Explorers. Probably would be a terrific transfer provided the right chemistry exists. thephelpsschool.org/?s=kyle+vinales
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Post by coqui900 on May 1, 2013 15:17:09 GMT -5
Damn. That kid was a monster against us. His intensity was off-the-charts. If he can handle not getting the insane amount of shots he got at CCSU, then I would take him in a minute.
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Post by broderickpresident on May 1, 2013 15:29:15 GMT -5
wow...that's pretty significant. how credible is this?? Heard this from a close friend/well-connected source in CT. Also looking at PSU, X and Buffalo (not sure if he's visiting those places)
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Post by coqui900 on May 1, 2013 15:30:40 GMT -5
He said in his interviews when he got his transfer that he wanted to play in the tournament. One of these things is not like the other among PSU, X and Buffalo.
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Post by broderickpresident on May 1, 2013 15:31:44 GMT -5
Also seeing this tweet (which doesn't mention visits):
Derek Turner ?@dctviper89 2h Per @goodmancbs Transfer List: "Kyle Vinales, 6-1, G, Soph., Central Connecticut -- La Salle, Xavier, Kent State, URI, Buffalo" #CCSUMBB
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Post by coqui900 on May 1, 2013 15:39:11 GMT -5
If Kyle gets here, would this mean in two years our guards would include:
1) Kyle, a 20+ point scorer at a low-major program that tore up against some good teams (us included).
2) Cleon, who got some really high-offers from big schools before going to Georgia Southern because he knew the coach.
3) Lewis, a supposed defensive wiz, in his second year on the team.
4) Amare Stukes, who looks like he's going to be really good.
5) Ty Garland in his last season. (I think that's the case?)
Damn. That's really good on paper.
Throw in Jerrell, Steve, Rohan, Davis and Tony Washington in a very experienced front-court.
That's reloading in a hurry.
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Post by theneumann64 on May 1, 2013 15:41:07 GMT -5
Garland is done after this year.
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Post by coqui900 on May 1, 2013 15:43:47 GMT -5
Garland is done after this year. Doesn't have two years left? I thought he had 2.5 years to play, and that 1/2 year was last season?
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Post by explorer88 on May 1, 2013 15:46:32 GMT -5
Garland is done after this year. Doesn't have two years left? I thought he had 2.5 years to play, and that 1/2 year was last season? Neumann is correct. Garland has next year only left. By playing that half of a semester he transferred he lost an entire year. Really bad rule but it is what it is.
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Post by coqui900 on May 1, 2013 15:47:58 GMT -5
Even without him, we're going to have a really experienced backcourt (albeit the experience isn't necessarily at La Salle).
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Post by coqui900 on May 1, 2013 16:06:03 GMT -5
Man, this has my psyched.
We still have four scholarships to fill the year he'd be eligible, if I'm looking at the helpful scholarship tree correctly? G might be able to really get some more studs lined up to come here.
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Post by explorerman on May 1, 2013 16:36:45 GMT -5
If Kyle gets here, would this mean in two years our guards would include: 1) Kyle, a 20+ point scorer at a low-major program that tore up against some good teams (us included). 2) Cleon, who got some really high-offers from big schools before going to Georgia Southern because he knew the coach. 3) Lewis, a supposed defensive wiz, in his second year on the team. 4) Amare Stukes, who looks like he's going to be really good. 5) Ty Garland in his last season. (I think that's the case?) Damn. That's really good on paper. Throw in Jerrell, Steve, Rohan, Davis and Tony Washington in a very experienced front-court. That's reloading in a hurry. Not saying this is a bad thing but it would pretty much eliminate us from the 2014 Philly guard class.. There would be no PT available; however, maybe Giannini knows this and that is why he is pursuing transfer.. Garland is done after this season...
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Post by explorerman on May 1, 2013 16:39:43 GMT -5
Also seeing this tweet (which doesn't mention visits): Derek Turner ?@dctviper89 2h Per @goodmancbs Transfer List: "Kyle Vinales, 6-1, G, Soph., Central Connecticut -- La Salle, Xavier, Kent State, URI, Buffalo" #CCSUMBB Someone mentioned PSU... They are filled right now.. Xavier is probably attractive to him and the best shot for tourney out of the list; however, I do not know their schollie and/or guard situation. They do have some young guys there. I think we offer potentially more PT. Kent State and Buffalo would be lateral moves pretty much. URI is tricky because they could be really good but I do not believe they have a schollie available and have young guards that will be there in 2014.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 17:52:19 GMT -5
Also seeing this tweet (which doesn't mention visits): Derek Turner ?@dctviper89 2h Per @goodmancbs Transfer List: "Kyle Vinales, 6-1, G, Soph., Central Connecticut -- La Salle, Xavier, Kent State, URI, Buffalo" #CCSUMBB Someone mentioned PSU... They are filled right now.. Xavier is probably attractive to him and the best shot for tourney out of the list; however, I do not know their schollie and/or guard situation. They do have some young guys there. I think we offer potentially more PT. Kent State and Buffalo would be lateral moves pretty much. URI is tricky because they could be really good but I do not believe they have a schollie available and have young guards that will be there in 2014. Unless PSU got a commitment from Bond or someone else in the last couple of days, they have one scholarship left.
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Post by explorerman on May 1, 2013 18:18:54 GMT -5
I know he shoots a lot and people have mentioned that on this thread.. As a result, an efficiency analysis should be done to determine the value of the player:
Kyle has a NBA efficiency rating of 13.83 which would put him right with Duren (13.85) and Wright (13.88) (Galloway was 16)
Kyle has a game score (John Hollinger efficiency) rating of 12.06 which would have put right with Galloway and his team leading 12.18. Duren was second with a 11.1 rating.
So in conclusion, while he puts up a lot of shots.. He does fill up the state sheet and would have an efficiency rating slightly higher than Duren but behind Galloway this year. In total, he would be a nice pickup whose skill set would be helped by our style of offensive (See Galloway's jump in efficiency once he transferred to La Salle)
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 20:08:58 GMT -5
If Kyle gets here, would this mean in two years our guards would include: 1) Kyle, a 20+ point scorer at a low-major program that tore up against some good teams (us included). 2) Cleon, who got some really high-offers from big schools before going to Georgia Southern because he knew the coach. 3) Lewis, a supposed defensive wiz, in his second year on the team. 4) Amare Stukes, who looks like he's going to be really good. 5) Ty Garland in his last season. (I think that's the case?) Damn. That's really good on paper. Throw in Jerrell, Steve, Rohan, Davis and Tony Washington in a very experienced front-court. That's reloading in a hurry. Not saying this is a bad thing but it would pretty much eliminate us from the 2014 Philly guard class.. There would be no PT available; however, maybe Giannini knows this and that is why he is pursuing transfer.. Garland is done after this season... Getting Vinales wouldn't eliminate La Salle from going after one of the 2014 Philly guards. G has shown he can give significant minutes to a 5 guard rotation. With DJ leaving,there are currently only 3 guards projected to be on the 2014-15 roster (Lewis, Roberts, and Stukes). That leaves room for Vinales and a stud 2014 guard like Newton, Campbell, Jackson, Cohen, etc.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on May 1, 2013 20:47:22 GMT -5
Also seeing this tweet (which doesn't mention visits): Derek Turner ?@dctviper89 2h Per @goodmancbs Transfer List: "Kyle Vinales, 6-1, G, Soph., Central Connecticut -- La Salle, Xavier, Kent State, URI, Buffalo" #CCSUMBB the article I just read had him listed as 6-4. Hope 6- 4 is more true.
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Post by broderickpresident on May 1, 2013 20:53:24 GMT -5
Also seeing this tweet (which doesn't mention visits): Derek Turner ?@dctviper89 2h Per @goodmancbs Transfer List: "Kyle Vinales, 6-1, G, Soph., Central Connecticut -- La Salle, Xavier, Kent State, URI, Buffalo" #CCSUMBB the article I just read had him listed as 6-4. Hope 6- 4 is more true. 6'1" 180 lbs heading into last season: www.ccsubluedevils.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/bios/vinales%20kyle%20gem9
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Post by broderickpresident on May 1, 2013 22:00:18 GMT -5
According to this report, he planned to visit PSU in addition to La Salle:
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Post by durenduren on May 2, 2013 4:11:52 GMT -5
Not to discredit Vinales' scoring ability, but CCSU does play in the Northeast Conference. You'd imagine his point totals are a little inflated by the competition he'd see.
In games against Indiana and Syracuse, he scored just 7 and 14 respectively. I'd hope he'd step his game up against the better competition. Just food for thought. Didn't stop him from ripping us though.
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Post by mookie on May 2, 2013 8:37:10 GMT -5
durenduren - i kind of thought the same thing as well and looked at how he did against tougher competition and it wasn't that impressive. He's a volume scorer but it is poosible that rather being used as the #1 scorer, he'll be looked to be a #2 or even #3 but leaning towards being a spread the floor scorer (3pt shooter). Maybe a 10-12ppg scorer. I doubt that's what he wants but if the Tourney is his ultimate goal and buys in...then he'd be a good addition.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 8:57:17 GMT -5
Vinales is a very talented kid, and if he's willing to share the ball, would be a nice piece at La Salle. As far as his production against the better teams, I think you have to take into account that their scouting reports all revolved around stopping him.
At La Salle, that wouldn't be the case and while he won't get to shoot as much, he'll probably find himself getting many more open looks and not having to work so hard to get them.
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Post by MisterD on May 2, 2013 9:22:35 GMT -5
Nothing at all against the kid, but I'm always far more excited to see a player transfer down from the BCS than up to the A-10.
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Post by 23won on May 2, 2013 9:33:58 GMT -5
Vinales is a very talented kid, and if he's willing to share the ball, would be a nice piece at La Salle. As far as his production against the better teams, I think you have to take into account that their scouting reports all revolved around stopping him. At La Salle, that wouldn't be the case and while he won't get to shoot as much, he'll probably find himself getting many more open looks and not having to work so hard to get them. That was my take, as well. Also, if he's not counted on to carry the scoring load as much (here versus CCSU), hopefully that translates to better shot selection and increased FG%s.
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Post by explorerman on May 2, 2013 11:10:19 GMT -5
Vinales is a very talented kid, and if he's willing to share the ball, would be a nice piece at La Salle. As far as his production against the better teams, I think you have to take into account that their scouting reports all revolved around stopping him. At La Salle, that wouldn't be the case and while he won't get to shoot as much, he'll probably find himself getting many more open looks and not having to work so hard to get them. That was my take, as well. Also, if he's not counted on to carry the scoring load as much (here versus CCSU), hopefully that translates to better shot selection and increased FG%s. With the way this is turning out, Roberts is going to get a good amount of attention and Stukes and Lewis would have no problem getting Kyle is a situation to score. Many more scoring options on our projected 2014 team than CCSU had this year. Not to mention from what I saw our open spread offense would suit Kyle's skill set immensely and would him in a greater position to succeed. Also he said he was watching the tourney this year and said he got the urge to transfer to play with a chance at the tourney. Do you think he was referring to watching us play in the tourney this year? I think so.
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Post by casey44 on May 2, 2013 11:41:19 GMT -5
Xavier got two excellent players in Taylor from Monmouth and the kid from Towson who hi a 3pt'r against us in game they went on to win. This kid averaged 25 in Detroit before his suprise choice to CCSU. If G is convinced he won't pull a Ruben on us and the team likes him, he looks like a great pick up.
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Post by coachd on May 2, 2013 13:16:48 GMT -5
If he fits in with the team then we have to let him fill the basket...
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Post by durenduren on May 2, 2013 18:13:49 GMT -5
Vinales is a very talented kid, and if he's willing to share the ball, would be a nice piece at La Salle. As far as his production against the better teams, I think you have to take into account that their scouting reports all revolved around stopping him. At La Salle, that wouldn't be the case and while he won't get to shoot as much, he'll probably find himself getting many more open looks and not having to work so hard to get them. Think this is pretty accurate. But as MisterD said, I think there's more to be excited about a player transferring down from a BCS conference than going up. Either way, I think he'd be a fine piece. But I don't know if he fits G's ideal player mold - all he does is score. He doesn't have assist totals, he doesn't rebound particularly well, and he isn't a defensive shutdown man either. I'm only going on stats and when I saw him rip the Explos, but I'd think G would want more of multi-tooled guy, especially with Dj's departure.
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