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Post by lamontcarter on Apr 23, 2013 18:17:12 GMT -5
Glenn Elrod (@gcrivalsglenn) 4/23/13 6:51 PM Tony Washington (2013 Miller School/Carolina Cougars) just committed to LaSalle.
6'9 forward. Doesn't seemed to be ranked all that high if you put stock in those kinds of things.
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Post by bernards on Jul 9, 2013 6:43:01 GMT -5
Does anyone have news on if he will be able to attend? If the financial package was able to be completed?
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Post by ck on Jul 9, 2013 10:27:45 GMT -5
Good news. While I'd have preferred he could play 2013 to give La Salle a real shotblocker, this will give quite an injection of talent in 2014, 3 guards and Washington- all with a year's experience at practices and acclimating to the school (I'm assuming Washington-after qualififying for La Salle--- can also practice with the team).
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Post by bernards on Jul 9, 2013 11:10:41 GMT -5
That is good news. He will have a year of practice with the team then a year to play with Steve and JW. We now have laid the foundation to say competitive for a number of years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:50:07 GMT -5
The only way that Tony will be able to practice with the team is if he's ruled a partial qualifier. The fact that G gave the 13th scholarship to Jordan Price makes me believe that Tony will be a non-qualifier because partial qualifiers are allowed to be on scholarship. As far as I know, Tony is still coming regardless of his academic status, but I don't think he's allowed to enroll until the fall semester starts in August. Amar Stukes is already attending the second summer session which freshman are allowed to do if they're on scholarship. www.playyourgame.com/ncaarules.html
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Post by bernards on Jul 9, 2013 14:03:11 GMT -5
Thanks. I'm glad it was able to work out. I have high hopes for him.
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Post by 23won on Jul 9, 2013 14:03:28 GMT -5
Can a partial qualifier take a financial package and practice in year 1, and then have the scholarship and play commence in year 2 (through 5)?
I get that PQs "are allowed to be on scholarship" but must they be on scholarship to practice?
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Post by MisterD on Jul 9, 2013 14:08:12 GMT -5
If he's not allowed to practice, wouldn't it be better for everyone if he prepped rather than sat a year?
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Post by casey44 on Jul 9, 2013 14:17:39 GMT -5
Why send him back into the pool of bb players? If he blows up, he's probably gone. Georgetown just did that with his hs team mate, but we're not G'town. Plus, it gives him a year to acclimate.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 9, 2013 14:47:02 GMT -5
I really wouldn't worry too much. Academics are first and foremost. G will figure something out if he believes it is worth it. I believe he can take a financial package and practice with the team. He technically will not be on scholarship like OJ Lewis. I am not sure however once you have a financial package that you can be placed on scholarship. I looked it up and it doesn’t seem to be a problem.
Just to play a little devil advocates. It may not work out with Washington. While he is a solid recruit on paper every recruit G lands isn’t going to be solid once on the team. Taylor Dunn is a relatively weak player and so was Garvin Hunt. I for one am impressed by his rebounding but his shooting style doesn’t look great and neither does his defense ability. While these are hurdles a year or more under G would help, he may not develop like we would hope. Thinking he going to leave and be a break out player elsewhere is a little bit of a stretch.
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Post by explorerman on Jul 9, 2013 14:56:02 GMT -5
Washington sitting out will allow him to certainly put on some weight. Also it creates extra spacing between the front court years. Now Washington will be a freshman, when Zack and Wright are Seniors. Davis will be a sophomore.
When Zack and Wright graduate, Davis will be a junior and Washington will be a sophomore but both will have more experience than contemporaries in the same classes. This only can help! When they take over it shouldn't be a huge question mark as it normally would be with an incoming freshman as there is always a learning curve. This obviously excludes the talent that G is going after right now for the 2014 and 2015 classes.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jul 9, 2013 14:59:38 GMT -5
Champion15 I have watched as much film on T.Washington I could find and he is not an outside player but finishes great around the basket and is very much a shot blocker on defense. Hope he stays with the program.
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Post by explorerman on Jul 9, 2013 15:04:32 GMT -5
Also isn't pretty fun that the class of 2014 isn't as crucial as it normally would be for us.
We lose 3 starters next year, yet we already have their understudies in place and the backcourt will already be 4 quality players deep.
2 schollies in play also. I wonder if when G offered Schuler did he mention a redshirt. He is a fairly well thought of player by the "experts". Nationally Top 50 PG and the competition is Quinn and Fairfield..
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Post by explorerman on Jul 9, 2013 15:06:21 GMT -5
Champion15 I have watched as much film on T.Washington I could find and he is not an outside player but finishes great around the basket and is very much a shot blocker on defense. Hope he stays with the program. Absolutely, Washington is the type of low post player that our front court struggles with. Long, quick and athletic. Quicker than Zack and taller than Wright... Those guys gives us fits ala UMASS and Wichita State
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Post by casey44 on Jul 9, 2013 15:06:21 GMT -5
a10, are you serious? He is a 3* on Rivals and Espn. Of course, we've got these 6'10 guys backed up to Broad trying to get in. If G saved a spot for him despite a high profile transfer wanting to get in, he's probably a guy that has a good chance of "working out". Where are your getting info from - 2 min. clips?
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Post by casey44 on Jul 9, 2013 15:10:34 GMT -5
Man, would I like Shuler. An absolute jet from a major mkt. Of course,we also need a PF.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 9, 2013 15:23:35 GMT -5
a10, are you serious? He is a 3* on Rivals and Espn. Of course, we've got these 6'10 guys backed up to Broad trying to get in. If G saved a spot for him despite a high profile transfer wanting to get in, he's probably a guy that has a good chance of "working out". Where are you getting info from - 2 min. clips? He is a two star recruit via ESPN with a position rank 135. Rivals has him as a three star. He also wasn't recruited by any strong programs either. I am not saying he is definitely not going to work out but I will not say he most likely will work out. He exactly what our team needs, a solid player in the paint and a big rebounder. Also, to me, he doesn't look 6'10 more like 6'8 maybe 6'9 which is what ESPN has his height at. Also, if you go on youtube they're quite a few clips from his school, Miller. I'll post them later on tonight if your interested.
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Post by casey44 on Jul 9, 2013 17:19:25 GMT -5
I've seen the clips and would not draw anything from them. I don't have the critical eye it takes to break these clips down. I do know that your 2nd sentence in the first paragraph is a bit hard to break down. You may have dyslexia, so I'm not making fun of you. It is hard to follow your contributions, no cynicism intended. You are correct about his ratings. Still pretty good for La Salle.
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Post by calidelphia on Jul 9, 2013 17:35:15 GMT -5
really casey? at it again? A10 just didn't use quotation marks. There are no signs of dyslexia in that sentence. let me help you understand.
I am not saying "he is definitely not going to work out" but I will (also)not say "he most likely will work out."
I'm excited that we have landed this guy and I am forced to trust G's info on him + he's obviously got some ups for a 6'9" center. Pair that with Jermaine Davis and we've got a bruiser and flyer down low in 2015.
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Post by casey44 on Jul 9, 2013 18:27:45 GMT -5
I am not the first person to bring this up. If you could follow that without filling in words, more power to you. Several people have brought this up and I tried to address what may be a genuine problem in a straightforward manner. If there is a problem, better to address it. I am not trying to be elitist or cruel and sincerely apologize to anyone who took it that way. As far as "being at it again", I assume you mean the SJU board fiasco. If that's the case, pound sand. I just got sick of certain members there constantly berating the University in the form of backhanded compliments. You could have jumped in any time and said so. In fact, why not directly say what's on your mind instead of alluding to what I have to guess is eating at you.
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Post by glorydays on Jul 9, 2013 19:31:26 GMT -5
Casey, I followed the SJ Board dust up. You gave a factual recounting of the 2004 Dunph flip flop. Unless I missed something it looks like your post was removed or edited. Did you make that change or was it somebody who monitors the Hawk Board?
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 9, 2013 20:47:00 GMT -5
really casey? at it again? A10 just didn't use quotation marks. There are no signs of dyslexia in that sentence. let me help you understand. I am not saying "he is definitely not going to work out" but I will (also)not say "he most likely will work out."I'm excited that we have landed this guy and I am forced to trust G's info on him + he's obviously got some ups for a 6'9" center. Pair that with Jermaine Davis and we've got a bruiser and flyer down low in 2015. Thank you, I am not the best writer as you can see. My apparent dyslexia impedes me from writing without any issues on a forum where the highest standards are required. Casey, I am not giving an unsupported detailed analysis of his abilities, but simply viewing and reading about his skills. I am being something called realistic and understand not every player G brings through the door is going to be a star. You have convinced yourself that were "set for three to four years" when I can tell you that most likely won't be the case. Just like any other school in the nation being an NCAA team five years in a row is extremely difficult. I think we will be a solid team and I think it is alright to say next year will be a transition year. Dare I say it, we may not make the NCAA or even the NIT in 2014-2015. I have very high hopes for next year because I believe the team will be balanced and better than it was last year. Try being realistic, otherwise you’re going to be in for a world of hurt. While I will be upset about a bad year, you will probably be in an insane asylum. Washington, in the most likely scenario will contribute, but in terms of him being a break out player, I wouldn’t count on it. At least, I wouldn’t count on it until he actually proves something on the court.
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Post by calidelphia on Jul 9, 2013 20:52:43 GMT -5
I don't follow the Hawk's board. To make sure i wasn't acting crazy I found it from a few weeks ago (june 26) where you got on A10champion15 and pleaded to have him removed. You can still block his posts if they are bothersome to you as Neumann suggested.
It looks like our lineup is now set for 2015, when 3 schollies open up next season we could have another good year on our cv and some experienced youth ready to get their chance on the floor. Great job this off season by G and his assistants.
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Post by casey44 on Jul 9, 2013 21:42:38 GMT -5
a10, please accept my apology and for being a bigger man than I am in doing so. When I said set for the next few years, I meant competitive, not necessarily having a tourney team. I'm under the weather tonight, but I'll check what I posted Caledelphia
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Post by MisterD on Jul 10, 2013 8:36:33 GMT -5
He exactly what our team needs, a solid player in the paint and a big rebounder. Also, to me, he doesn't look 6'10 more like 6'8 maybe 6'9 which is what ESPN has his height at. No way. I looked at video and he's definitely 6'9 3/4, which you're allowed to round up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 10:10:20 GMT -5
I really wouldn't worry too much. Academics are first and foremost. G will figure something out if he believes it is worth it. I believe he can take a financial package and practice with the team. He technically will not be on scholarship like OJ Lewis. I am not sure however once you have a financial package that you can be placed on scholarship. I looked it up and it doesn’t seem to be a problem. Not sure if you missed my earlier post, but regardless of whether he would be on scholarship or would be receiving a need-based financial aid package, the only way that Tony Washington will be able to practice with the team this year is if he's ruled a partial qualifier. If he's a non-qualifier, he can't be on scholarship and he can't practice with the team his first year. That's a fact and can be found in the NCAA compliance guide. Assuming his academic progress during his freshman year meets the NCAA guidelines, he will be on scholarship effective July 1, 2014 and will have the next four years to use up his eligibilty assuming he stays on track academically.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 10, 2013 11:00:49 GMT -5
Oh I see what you're saying. So I guess my question is the same as 23's. Can you be a partial qualifer with a financial package and still be able to practice with the team?
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Post by durenduren on Jul 10, 2013 12:30:36 GMT -5
If he's a partial qualifier, he can practice and receive academic scholarship. But I think it looks like the scholarship that was going his way was heading to the Auburn transfer, so if that's any indication, he might be a total non-qualifier. Hopefully I'll stand to be corrected. On my phone, so here's an ugly link with the qualifier rules. grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/sacl/genrel/auto_pdf/ncaa-requirements.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 12:31:11 GMT -5
Oh I see what you're saying. So I guess my question is the same as 23's. Can you be a partial qualifer with a financial package and still be able to practice with the team? I don't know this for certain, but I'm pretty sure that if you're a partial qualifier, the NCAA would require you to count against the 13 scholarship limit for men's basketball. To make a long story short, with Jordan Price taking that 13th scholarship, I think that Tony Washington will be a non-qualifier and he won't be able to practice, assuming he's still coming. The last I heard, which was a little over a month ago, was that he would be attending La Salle whether he qualified or not. Can't say for certain if anything has changed since then, but typically bad news like that gets out and someone on here would have heard something by now.
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Post by durenduren on Jul 10, 2013 12:38:47 GMT -5
So here's something that I'm not entirely familiar with... Say he's a total non-qualifier, still attends, and then can't practice. What does Tony do? Work out off campus? Play intramurals?!
I'm just not familiar enough with the process that I'm comfortable with ensuring there won't be regression in Tony's game taking a year off. I get the focus of the NCAA is academics first, obviously.
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