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Post by mookie on Apr 22, 2013 21:38:09 GMT -5
Yes, DJ kept the ball moving...because as soon as he got it he would pass it...he had no confidence whatsoever in his game and it was evident in the postseason.
Again, I'm not saying DJ is no good. I'm saying he's not irreplaceable and he's not able to guard 4 positions. He is a good defender and he is a team player that knows his role and plays to it. But, he needs to get his confidence back and be counted on to hit open 3s when available. He shot 39-40% from the field. That has to improve...and I'm sure with an off-season towork on his game he'll be able to get closer to his freshman year shooting %.
But please show me where Peterson was ranked in the offensive player efficiency. All I can find is Hollinger's rankings and I'm guessing that's for overall Player Efficiency. He's not ranked in the top 50 for the A10. I'm curious to see how a lot of our players fared in offensive efficiency as well...
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 22, 2013 22:06:58 GMT -5
Kenpom.com (it's a $ site), but is the best college hoops statistics site out there, IMO
Peterson's 122.4 offensive rating ranked 40th in D-I. Granted, he had a microscopic usage rate (meaning very few of possessions ended with points, assists, turnovers, fouls drawn, etc), but it's still very impressive and easily led the team. Duren was 2nd at 111.6. Now, no one here will tell you this means DJ is better than Tyreek, but it shows you how well he fulfilled his role. He's out there to complement and it's exactly what he did. Moving the ball quickly is important. I agree he was a little too tentative at times (especially when we worked the ball hard and he ended up not shooting or passing quickly enough and the defense was able to reset as a result). Still, I think he was an undervalued piece of the puzzle.
Also, 39-40% shooting from him is great when you consider the diet of shots he takes (almost all 3s). His effective FG% was 3rd on the team behind Jerrell and Steve. Again, I wouldn't say this makes him the best shooter in the world since the shots he took were considerably easier than the shots Ramon took, but I'd argue it's a skill (or at least an asset) that he recognizes a good shot and avoids bad shots.
Some other tidbits on La Salle players from on there in case you're interested (bearing in mind that with 345 D-I schools, ranking in the top several hundred is impressive):
Garland and Galloway had 2 of the 100 highest usage rates in the country (percentage of possessions used)
Jerrell was 54th in offensive rebound rate
Steve was 71st in defensive rebound rate
DJ had 98th best TO rate
64.7% of the points La Salle allowed were 2-pt FGs (highest percentage in the country)
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Post by mookie on Apr 22, 2013 22:13:30 GMT -5
Thanks! I love looking at stats (as weird as that may sound).
Considering Duren's usage and how much the ball is in his hands, that's a great rating.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 22, 2013 22:32:23 GMT -5
Me too
Duren's contributions are in many ways more amplified by these stats than by some of the more traditional ones
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Post by MisterD on Apr 22, 2013 22:49:56 GMT -5
Third. Having opinions confirmed or challenged is sort of the fun of objective stats. You can't make a team of five DJs, but DJ is a pretty perfect guy for the lineup we had last year.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 23, 2013 5:41:39 GMT -5
Third. Having opinions confirmed or challenged is sort of the fun of objective stats. You can't make a team of five DJs, but DJ is a pretty perfect guy for the lineup we had last year. Agreed. That said, do you think DJ's role will need become a hair less complimentary with this season's lineup? Not saying you want take him out of what he's proven to do exceptionally well, but does the team need more from different places to thrive with Ramon's departure?
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Post by mookie on Apr 23, 2013 7:39:40 GMT -5
I think with Galloway graduating, the team needs someone who can space the floor and hit jumpers. I think that's where Mills and DJ can really help the team. I've had high hopes for both of them to be consistent shooters...not necessarily scorers, but shooters. Unless Garland develops a better shot as well as Lewis. I think they need more perimeter scoring ability because Garland and Lewis can get in the lane...I'm going to assume (and I hate assuming) that will help them get to the foul line more often.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 23, 2013 8:20:07 GMT -5
Kenpom.com (it's a $ site), but is the best college hoops statistics site out there, IMO Peterson's 122.4 offensive rating ranked 40th in D-I. Granted, he had a microscopic usage rate (meaning very few of possessions ended with points, assists, turnovers, fouls drawn, etc), but it's still very impressive and easily led the team. Duren was 2nd at 111.6. Now, no one here will tell you this means DJ is better than Tyreek, but it shows you how well he fulfilled his role. He's out there to complement and it's exactly what he did. Moving the ball quickly is important. I agree he was a little too tentative at times (especially when we worked the ball hard and he ended up not shooting or passing quickly enough and the defense was able to reset as a result). Still, I think he was an undervalued piece of the puzzle. Also, 39-40% shooting from him is great when you consider the diet of shots he takes (almost all 3s). His effective FG% was 3rd on the team behind Jerrell and Steve. Again, I wouldn't say this makes him the best shooter in the world since the shots he took were considerably easier than the shots Ramon took, but I'd argue it's a skill (or at least an asset) that he recognizes a good shot and avoids bad shots. Some other tidbits on La Salle players from on there in case you're interested (bearing in mind that with 345 D-I schools, ranking in the top several hundred is impressive): Garland and Galloway had 2 of the 100 highest usage rates in the country (percentage of possessions used) Jerrell was 54th in offensive rebound rate Steve was 71st in defensive rebound rate DJ had 98th best TO rate 64.7% of the points La Salle allowed were 2-pt FGs (highest percentage in the country)Great stats, thanks Broderick. If they could improve to just an average team defending the 2-pt FGs next year and they maintain their high level of defending the 3-pt FG, this team could be extremely dangerous.
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Post by mookie on Apr 23, 2013 10:04:47 GMT -5
Kenpom.com (it's a $ site), but is the best college hoops statistics site out there, IMO 64.7% of the points La Salle allowed were 2-pt FGs (highest percentage in the country)Great stats, thanks Broderick. If they could improve to just an average team defending the 2-pt FGs next year and they maintain their high level of defending the 3-pt FG, this team could be extremely dangerous. So Broderick, maybe you can help since you have access to that site. I'm thinking the high 2pt FG% for opposing teams was due to us being unable to rebound effectively, allowing for the opposing team to have several 2nd chance points which would inflate their success rate.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 23, 2013 11:05:29 GMT -5
That's certainly a part of it. The 64.7% is not what opponent's shot from 2, it just means that about 65 out of every 100 points scored against us came via 2-pt FGs. By contrast, only 18.9% of the points we allowed came via 3-pointers (2nd fewest out of 347 D-I teams).
Some of the contributing factors would be that we ranked 277th in average height, 215th in percentage of 2-pt FGA blocked, 270th in defensive rebounding...
Statistically speaking, the main weaknesses of the team were rebounding (offensive and defensive) and lack of free throw attempts.
The strengths were shooting, taking care of the ball, preventing 3-point attempts, and not sending opponents to the FT line.
In theory, giving up a large percentage of your points on 2-pointers is a good thing (I'd say you're more likely to get beat from the 3-pt line and the FT line than on 2s), but the fact is that we give up entirely too many layups, dunks, etc. Ideally, every shot our opponents took would be a long, challenged two, but that's probably unattainable perfection. We generally played very good defense considering the rotation we used. With the size disadvantages we had, the gamble we took was that our 3s could beat your 2s. It worked pretty well for much of the season. Those opening 5-10 minutes against Wichita State really put our weaknesses on full display, though. They were very well constructed to exploit us.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 23, 2013 11:15:29 GMT -5
Since I just pointed out that long, challenged 2s are what any defense wants its opponents to take, it reminds me of the interesting case of Tyrone Garland. I don't have any stats on this, but having seen probably 90% of our games this season, I was struck by how incredible Garland is on pullup 18-20 footers (often with a hand in his face), yet how awful he is from a couple feet deeper on wide open 3s. I think he's an unbelievable talent and could easily see him averaging over 20 PPG next season, but I really hope he's able to start knocking down 3s (or give up on them). The unfortunate thing for him, is that even an excellent long 2-point shooter (if you make over 40% of them, you're pretty damn good) is an inefficient scorer. It's a very poor return on your investment to take such difficult shots that reward you only 2 points for a make. Even when they're made, they're almost wasted possessions unless it's a late shot-clock situation. Those shots he takes (and so often makes) are considerably more difficult than pretty much any 3s that we take (including Galloway's 25-footers). His mechanics look so much better on those than the wide-open 3s he takes. From 20 feet, he looks like a pro. From a foot further back, he looks like Rasheed Quadri
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Post by mookie on Apr 23, 2013 11:57:09 GMT -5
With Garland, I never had much confidence in his jumper and at times it looked bad from 3. I think he's fast enough to get in the lane that he should work on his jumper more. I honestly would love to see this team develop better perimeter abilities. That's not to say I want them to take more jumpers and whatnot, but I think they need that skill but also find ways to become more efficienct on offense. I think they each need to develop some sort of "go-to" move and "go-to" play.
For example, if the offense is struggling at any point (which happens for any team, but this team doesn't have much margin for error given their defensive rebounding issues/size) they can at least dump the ball down low and get a bucket from Jerrell (like they were able to do in the tourney). Or, they set more screens and picks that frees up an easy jumper from the top of the key or something like that. I'm not a coach, but I think each team needs a signature/go-to play that they can score off and right now, I don't believe we really have one.
I don't think Garland can score 20ppg. I don't think he's as gifted as Galloway offensively, nor do I think he'd be given that opportunity with Wright there along with Duren unless we become a run-and-gun offense and average 80ppg.
I think (just off the top of my head) the scoring breakdown would be: Garland 15ppg Duren 15ppg Wright 13ppg Mills 9ppg Lewis 8ppg Zack 8ppg Peterson 5ppg Davis 2ppg
That's an avg of 75ppg. That's pretty high if you ask me for the college game but it's attainable. It'll be important for Wright to develop more offensively though, and Mills/Peterson to become those guys who are key stretch the D shooters in addition to their defense. I actually think Garland will be closer to 13ppg and Wright at 11/12 though. My understanding is that G really believes Zack can/will make more signficant improvements this off-season.
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Post by coachd on Apr 23, 2013 12:14:18 GMT -5
I think we need to open a new thread as the latest posts have little or nothing to do with Mr. Bond.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 23, 2013 12:23:25 GMT -5
Garland did score more points per minute than Ramon last season (13 PPG in about 24 MPG). I think he's potentially a superior offensive player to Galloway (he's far less TO prone, finishes in traffic better and gets to the line far more often----obviously, Ramon is the better 3-point shooter and finishes with more flair when alone on a break, but I think he had less nuance in his arsenal to operate in tight spaces). As good as Ramon was offensively, I think we'll miss his defense more.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 23, 2013 12:30:22 GMT -5
I think we need to open a new thread as the latest posts have little or nothing to do with Mr. Bond. Irony, growth or both. Love ya, Steve!
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Apr 23, 2013 13:07:16 GMT -5
Garland did score more points per minute than Ramon last season (13 PPG in about 24 MPG). I think he's potentially a superior offensive player to Galloway (he's far less TO prone, finishes in traffic better and gets to the line far more often----obviously, Ramon is the better 3-point shooter and finishes with more flair when alone on a break, but I think he had less nuance in his arsenal to operate in tight spaces). As good as Ramon was offensively, I think we'll miss his defense more. Point well taken about Ramon's D. He was a catalyst for high quality team D. Glad we still have Sam and DJ who commit 100% to D. I do not remember a La Salle squad over the years that played the high quality of D we have played over the past 2 years. Sure hope we keep it up.
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Post by 20thandolney on Apr 23, 2013 17:55:17 GMT -5
Is it final that he is going to Temple or is that just the latest rumors?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 18:55:11 GMT -5
Garland did score more points per minute than Ramon last season (13 PPG in about 24 MPG). I think he's potentially a superior offensive player to Galloway (he's far less TO prone, finishes in traffic better and gets to the line far more often----obviously, Ramon is the better 3-point shooter and finishes with more flair when alone on a break, but I think he had less nuance in his arsenal to operate in tight spaces). As good as Ramon was offensively, I think we'll miss his defense more. Point well taken about Ramon's D. He was a catalyst for high quality team D. Glad we still have Sam and DJ who commit 100% to D. I do not remember a La Salle squad over the years that played the high quality of D we have played over the past 2 years. Sure hope we keep it up. It will be very hard to replace Ramon. He was a wonderful player these past two years. But the great thing about his replacement in the rotation is that Khalid Lewis is another outstanding defender, so La Salle should once again have very strong perimeter defense. I have heard nothing but rave reviews about Khalid's play in the offseason. As far as Ty's shot from behind the arc, IMO, there is no reason he can not become a much better shooter from out there. Like Broderick said, he is money from 15-18 feet, and he's got good form. I've paid special attention to his shot and I have a theory on what the problem is. When he shoots mid-range jumpers, he goes vertical every time. When he shoots threes, he always seems to jump toward the basket, so he is releasing the ball from different spots. It's not like shooting a three is a reach for him. The kid gets great elevation and he has plenty of upper body strength. If he could learn to just go vertical every time, IMO, he could become consistently dangerous from beyond the arc. And that would make him virtually unstoppable.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 23, 2013 20:24:51 GMT -5
Point well taken about Ramon's D. He was a catalyst for high quality team D. Glad we still have Sam and DJ who commit 100% to D. I do not remember a La Salle squad over the years that played the high quality of D we have played over the past 2 years. Sure hope we keep it up. It will be very hard to replace Ramon. He was a wonderful player these past two years. But the great thing about his replacement in the rotation is that Khalid Lewis is another outstanding defender, so La Salle should once again have very strong perimeter defense. I have heard nothing but rave reviews about Khalid's play in the offseason. As far as Ty's shot from behind the arc, IMO, there is no reason he can not become a much better shooter from out there. Like Broderick said, he is money from 15-18 feet, and he's got good form. I've paid special attention to his shot and I have a theory on what the problem is. When he shoots mid-range jumpers, he goes vertical every time. When he shoots threes, he always seems to jump toward the basket, so he is releasing the ball from different spots. It's not like shooting a three is a reach for him. The kid gets great elevation and he has plenty of upper body strength. If he could learn to just go vertical every time, IMO, he could become consistently dangerous from beyond the arc. And that would make him virtually unstoppable. Agreed. His form is so much more consistent on the mid-range shots. If he gets consistency from deep, it's game over for opposing defenses.
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Post by coqui900 on Apr 23, 2013 20:33:51 GMT -5
Get Cousin Bern on it!
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Post by 1801olney on May 17, 2013 12:29:39 GMT -5
Committed to Temple
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Post by calsufan on May 17, 2013 13:00:44 GMT -5
No surprise there. He'll get the most playing time there I would imagine. Assuming they don't over-recruit on him.
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Post by player71 on May 17, 2013 14:03:12 GMT -5
Good for him to go to a place where he will get the most minutes. I hope he does well except for the games against us.
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Post by jellybean on May 17, 2013 15:43:14 GMT -5
Did Grandpop negotiate PT at the 2 or 3 spot for him and how far away from the bench will Grandpop be sitting? Seriously good luck to the young man.
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