Jaylen Bond Leaving Texas

[lwc4591]

Explorerman Bond averaged 11 minutes per game along with 3 points and 3 rebounds on a bad Texas team.
He will not be playing ahead of Wright or Zack because both are better.

[mookie]

I wouldn't say Texas was a "bad" team. They were just under .500 and can easily be over .500 next year.

Say all you want about the need to have a body at the 3 who has a guard's skill set, but DJ Peterson hardly provided any contributions in terms of dribbling and shooting. His shooting was terrible for the 2nd half of the season and he never really handled the ball. He mainly provided defense, and Bond can do that himself while also being a better a rebounder.

[MisterD]

Eerily similar to Garland's pre-transfer stats, no? I'm fine not pretending this kid was a must get or a savior, but at the same time its silly to pretend he wouldn't have been a great pickup. Reeling in Cleon + Jaylen in a transfer class would have been a huge influx of talent.

[mookie]

completely agree. He would've been a really nice pick-up and would've gotten a decent amount of time splitting between the 3 and the 4.

[lwc4591]

I think everyone is in agreement that J.Bond would be a good pick-up and improve an already good team to even a higher status.

[coqui900]

Wouldn't Bond have to sit out a year unless he gets a hardship?

He'd have two years left. He'd spend one playing w/ Steve and Jerrell.

We have no idea what Jermaine Davis will give us. I'll take a kid good enough to play at Texas in one second flat.

[23won]

Would love to have BOND. He would've helped a lot against Wichita State and would help against teams that run three big players (a la in last year's losses to SLU, Mass, TU, Miami, Butler etc). Some teams are a bad mismatch where we lose with the 4 guard setup. You need to be able to adapt and go big at times, either within a game or over the course of a season. Whether it's a heavy rotation of three bigs with 25-27 minutes at 2 floor spots or taking up 3 floor spots at times, we have a need for a guy like Bond.

I saw Bond play a few times. He was playing in the Big 12 against guys with far higher skill levels in the lane than what he'd see in the A10. I think he'd be an A10 force in a year. It'd be damn nice to see JW, SZ and JB share 25-28 minutes. With all the banging, boxing out and running, that's a far better lineup than only running JW and SZ.

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Apr 22, 2013 10:11:07 GMT -5 mookie said:

I wouldn't say Texas was a "bad" team. They were just under .500 and can easily be over .500 next year.

Say all you want about the need to have a body at the 3 who has a guard's skill set, but DJ Peterson hardly provided any contributions in terms of dribbling and shooting. His shooting was terrible for the 2nd half of the season and he never really handled the ball. He mainly provided defense, and Bond can do that himself while also being a better a rebounder.

I would love to get a commitment from Jaylen Bond, but if you put him on the floor the same time as Wright and Zack, the offensive efficiency of this team would suffer, and not just a little bit.

DJ played his role very well IMO. He wasn't out there to put a lot of shots up. He was there to make sure the other guys got better looks and to defend.

If you look at his shooting stats from the second half of the year, they were actually better than the first half:
Beyond the arc: 15-33 (45.5%) in the second half; 40% for the season
Overall FG% : 20-48 (41.7%) in the second half; 39.6% for the season

His assist to turnover ratio (3.6 to 1, 51 assists to 14 turnovers) is off the charts. He handles the ball a lot more than you give him credit for. A big part of winning is not turning it over, and DJ rarely does.

With DJ on the floor, opponents have to respect his outside shot. This created seams for Ramon, Tyreek, and Tyrone to attack the basket and for Sam to spot up. It created a lot of opportunites for kickouts for open threes. You put Bond on the perimeter, and those seams go away, because Bond can't shoot from out there. His game is 10 feet and in. Bond had 2 assists (against 11 turnovers) for the entire season. No way he comes close to matching DJ's assist production because he does not have the ballhandling and passing skills to do so.

Again, I'd love to have him, but if he wants to play at La Salle, it will only be as a 4 or 5 with at least three true guards on the floor at the same time.

[explorerman]

Apr 22, 2013 12:15:50 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

Apr 22, 2013 10:11:07 GMT -5 mookie said:

I wouldn't say Texas was a "bad" team. They were just under .500 and can easily be over .500 next year.

Say all you want about the need to have a body at the 3 who has a guard's skill set, but DJ Peterson hardly provided any contributions in terms of dribbling and shooting. His shooting was terrible for the 2nd half of the season and he never really handled the ball. He mainly provided defense, and Bond can do that himself while also being a better a rebounder.

I would love to get a commitment from Jaylen Bond, but if you put him on the floor the same time as Wright and Zack, the offensive efficiency of this team would suffer, and not just a little bit.

DJ played his role very well IMO. He wasn't out there to put a lot of shots up. He was there to make sure the other guys got better looks and to defend.

If you look at his shooting stats from the second half of the year, they were actually better than the first half:
Beyond the arc: 15-33 (45.5%) in the second half; 40% for the season
Overall FG% : 20-48 (41.7%) in the second half; 39.6% for the season

His assist to turnover ratio (3.6 to 1, 51 assists to 14 turnovers) is off the charts. He handles the ball a lot more than you give him credit for. A big part of winning is not turning it over, and DJ rarely does.

With DJ on the floor, opponents have to respect his outside shot. This created seams for Ramon, Tyreek, and Tyrone to attack the basket and for Sam to spot up. It created a lot of opportunites for kickouts for open threes. You put Bond on the perimeter, and those seams go away, because Bond can't shoot from out there. His game is 10 feet and in. Bond had 2 assists (against 11 turnovers) for the entire season. No way he comes close to matching DJ's assist production because he does not have the ballhandling and passing skills to do so.

Again, I'd love to have him, but if he wants to play at La Salle, it will only be as a 4 or 5 with at least three true guards on the floor at the same time.

Absolutely agree with this last sentence.

But I still feel like there is plenty of minutes there for him and considering match ups where the front court players are too athletic and mobile for Zack (we did see his several times this year) Bond should be in there and would absolutely be able to hold his own.

With all this discussion, I do not see where this is a done deal with Bond going to Temple. He concluded his visit by saying paraphrasing "Good visit at Temple. I am excited with the rest of the recruiting process". If someone is going to sign with a school, then the recruiting process is over. The fact that he is excited for it to continue tells me something slightly different. In addition to all of this, he is familiar with all of the Philly campuses per 2 years ago, high school bball and AAU bball. As a result, he wouldn't need that much time to make a decision as he is familiar already with all schools.

[MisterD]

Apr 22, 2013 12:15:50 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

I would love to get a commitment from Jaylen Bond, but if you put him on the floor the same time as Wright and Zack, the offensive efficiency of this team would suffer, and not just a little bit.

Sure, but Wright and Zack averaged a combined 46 minutes per game (24 and 22 respectively). No reason you can't have 3 prominent "bigs" without messing with the 3 guard lineup.

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Apr 22, 2013 13:21:19 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Apr 22, 2013 12:15:50 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

I would love to get a commitment from Jaylen Bond, but if you put him on the floor the same time as Wright and Zack, the offensive efficiency of this team would suffer, and not just a little bit.

Sure, but Wright and Zack averaged a combined 46 minutes per game (24 and 22 respectively). No reason you can't have 3 prominent "bigs" without messing with the 3 guard lineup.

I never said you can't have 3 prominent bigs. What I said is you can't put all three of them on the floor at the same time if you want G's offense to work. Maybe for a couple minutes here and there, but to be able to score consistently, this offense needs three guards on the floor most of the time. Bond absolutely cannot fill the role of one of the three guards.

[mookie]

I hear what you're saying @kjmac12 but let's be real, DJ Peterson isn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard and he'd be the one to lose minutes and not Mills/Duren/Garland.

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Apr 22, 2013 14:37:27 GMT -5 mookie said:

I hear what you're saying @kjmac12 but let's be real, DJ Peterson isn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard and he'd be the one to lose minutes and not Mills/Duren/Garland.

Not sure how many times I need to repeat myself, but his role is not to light up the scoreboard. It's to take care of the ball (which he does to the tune of a 3.6 asst/t.o.rate), to make a good percentage of the open threes he does take (which he does shooting 40% for the year and over 45% in the second half of the season), and play solid defense (which he does).

DJ will continue to get minutes in the mid-20's again next season. You can book it. I expect him to look for his shot a little bit more, but not a whole lot more. He will play the same role again next season, which was good enough to help this team to a third place A10 finish and a spot in the Sweet 16. Maybe some people feel that DJ kept the team from doing even more, but I'm not one of those people.

And I hate to burst people's bubbles, but the chances of Jaylen Bond coming to La Salle are slim at best. Like I will say one last time, would love to have him if he wants to be at La Salle, but based on things I haven't heard, I'd be surprised if he is seriously considering La Salle.

[mookie]

Apr 22, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

Apr 22, 2013 14:37:27 GMT -5 mookie said:

I know his role isn't to light up the score, but you can't argue the offensive efficiency will suffer by replacing him with Bond.  Chances are, Bond will not be looked to be that top scorer either.  DJ isn't the only one who's expected to protect the ball.  He hits one shot a game...and he shoots it at 40%.  For shooting mostly open shots, that's not that good. 

Look, I know Bond coming to LaSalle are slim...and I know DJ can improve.  But I'm not willing to say he's THAT valuable where he should be playing 25mpg unless he gains confidence and can hit his shots more efficiently again. 

[1stflooredwards]

Apr 22, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

Apr 22, 2013 14:37:27 GMT -5 mookie said:

I hear what you're saying @kjmac12 but let's be real, DJ Peterson isn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard and he'd be the one to lose minutes and not Mills/Duren/Garland.

Not sure how many times I need to repeat myself, but his role is not to light up the scoreboard. It's to take care of the ball (which he does to the tune of a 3.6 asst/t.o.rate), to make a good percentage of the open threes he does take (which he does shooting 40% for the year and over 45% in the second half of the season), and play solid defense (which he does).

DJ will continue to get minutes in the mid-20's again next season. You can book it. I expect him to look for his shot a little bit more, but not a whole lot more. He will play the same role again next season, which was good enough to help this team to a third place A10 finish and a spot in the Sweet 16. Maybe some people feel that DJ kept the team from doing even more, but I'm not one of those people.

And I hate to burst people's bubbles, but the chances of Jaylen Bond coming to La Salle are slim at best. Like I will say one last time, would love to have him if he wants to be at La Salle, but based on things I haven't heard, I'd be surprised if he is seriously considering La Salle.

How about if we base them on the things you have heard, do our chances improve then?

[MisterD]

Apr 22, 2013 14:29:59 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

I never said you can't have 3 prominent bigs. What I said is you can't put all three of them on the floor at the same time if you want G's offense to work. Maybe for a couple minutes here and there, but to be able to score consistently, this offense needs three guards on the floor most of the time. Bond absolutely cannot fill the role of one of the three guards.

And if you have one big playing 22 minutes and another playing 24, you can bring in a 3rd big for almost the full 40 without ever having to sit a guard. Your concern isn't valid unless you think Zack and Wright will both be able to stay on the floor for 30+ as seniors.

[lwc4591]

Are you guys forgetting about Davis and Brown. I have to believe Davis will rebound just as well as Bond if not better and Brown could be similar to Bond. Don't forget Jalen averaged 3pts. and 3 rebounds as a soph not a freshman on a team that went 15-17. This is not to say Bond wouldn't be an asset but let's not over hype what he really is and that is an average scorer and rebounder all things considered with slightly better offensive skills than Brown and maybe less rebounding skills than Davis.

[MisterD]

Come on, man. "Slightly better offensive skills" and "maybe less rebounding" for a top 100 (150?) recruit versus Brown and Davis? Brown is nice, Davis might be, but this is a different class of player.

[lwc4591]

mister d you are correct Jalen is a super star just like cj. I have seen him play several times and Jalen is not a highly skilled offensive player period. You think after completing his sophomore season you would realize this but I guess not. Who the hell cares what some service rates a player they are wrong more often than not. He is nowhere near being a top 100 player or top 300 for that matter. Overall he is better than Brown but not by a big margin and as for Davis he has more potential based on size and strength.

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Apr 22, 2013 15:54:33 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Apr 22, 2013 14:29:59 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

I never said you can't have 3 prominent bigs. What I said is you can't put all three of them on the floor at the same time if you want G's offense to work. Maybe for a couple minutes here and there, but to be able to score consistently, this offense needs three guards on the floor most of the time. Bond absolutely cannot fill the role of one of the three guards.

And if you have one big playing 22 minutes and another playing 24, you can bring in a 3rd big for almost the full 40 without ever having to sit a guard. Your concern isn't valid unless you think Zack and Wright will both be able to stay on the floor for 30+ as seniors.

And you're not taking into account how much G will go with 4 guards. He did that plenty even before Steve got hurt. There is not another 40 minutes of playing time available for a third big man

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Apr 22, 2013 15:43:32 GMT -5 1stflooredwards said:

Apr 22, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

Not sure how many times I need to repeat myself, but his role is not to light up the scoreboard. It's to take care of the ball (which he does to the tune of a 3.6 asst/t.o.rate), to make a good percentage of the open threes he does take (which he does shooting 40% for the year and over 45% in the second half of the season), and play solid defense (which he does).

DJ will continue to get minutes in the mid-20's again next season. You can book it. I expect him to look for his shot a little bit more, but not a whole lot more. He will play the same role again next season, which was good enough to help this team to a third place A10 finish and a spot in the Sweet 16. Maybe some people feel that DJ kept the team from doing even more, but I'm not one of those people.

And I hate to burst people's bubbles, but the chances of Jaylen Bond coming to La Salle are slim at best. Like I will say one last time, would love to have him if he wants to be at La Salle, but based on things I haven't heard, I'd be surprised if he is seriously considering La Salle.

How about if we base them on the things you have heard, do our chances improve then?

[MisterD]

Apr 22, 2013 18:35:08 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

Apr 22, 2013 15:54:33 GMT -5 MisterD said:

And if you have one big playing 22 minutes and another playing 24, you can bring in a 3rd big for almost the full 40 without ever having to sit a guard. Your concern isn't valid unless you think Zack and Wright will both be able to stay on the floor for 30+ as seniors.

And you're not taking into account how much G will go with 4 guards. He did that plenty even before Steve got hurt. There is not another 40 minutes of playing time available for a third big man

There's a mile between BCS superstar and mid-major role player. Come on, man.

[lwc4591]

I hope somehow Jalen decides to play for G because I do believe he would be a solid contributor and it would give him his best opportunity for extended playing time in a system conducive to his skills. Although not as big or strong as Jerrell his game is similar in that he plays best within 10' of the basket. Jalen does have a much better handle than Jerrell but can't play as strong with his back to the basket within 5' range. This is a reach but I think G gets him.

[MisterD]

Wrong quote, should have been lwc.

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Apr 22, 2013 18:38:32 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

Apr 22, 2013 15:43:32 GMT -5 1stflooredwards said:

How about if we base them on the things you have heard, do our chances improve then?

Here's what I didn't hear when I talked to a couple people in the past week who usually get very reliable recruiting info: Jaylen Bond's name. I heard the names of three big man possibilities and his wasn't one of them. It's very possible these people were told to keep it quiet and I didn't push them for more info.

[lwc4591]

kjmac12 other than Maric I didn't hear any other names and if you are free to share please do otherwise I understand if you can't say.

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Apr 22, 2013 18:54:14 GMT -5 lwc4591 said:

kjmac12 other than Maric I didn't hear any other names and if you are free to share please do otherwise I understand if you can't say.

I can tell you two of them. One was Denzell Taylor who has since recommitted to Old Dominion. The second was 6'10" Luke Kornet from Liberty Christian Academy in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. He lists La Salle on the Rivals database. The third is an athletic, shot blocking prep school kid. Not sure if the person who told me would want me to put it out there so I won't but I can say his name was linked to La Salle back in the fall on one or two sites but he didn't get talked about here much if at all. Maric wasn't mentioned but like Bond, that doesn't mean La Salle isn't involved. There could be another half dozen kids they're talking to about that last scholarship.

[lwc4591]

Thanks kjmac good info. I never worry about G because he has a great eye for talent. Not one schollie player on our roster did not contribute last season.

[broderickpresident]

Apr 22, 2013 15:11:00 GMT -5 mookie said:

Apr 22, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -5 @kjmac12 said:

I know his role isn't to light up the score, but you can't argue the offensive efficiency will suffer by replacing him with Bond.

DJ led the team in offensive efficiency and was top 50 in the country. True, he does not use many possessions, but when he does do something, it is usually positive (and more importantly, it is almost NEVER negative). He knew his role to let the more explosive offensive players do their thing. His range gave them room to operate, he kept the ball moving and knocked down shots when they were there.

We've had so many players over the years unaware of their strengths and their limitations. DJ does the things he knows he can do and never tries to do things he shouldn't.

[MisterD]

Very much agree. Every player doesn't have to score.