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Post by thelasallelunatic on May 22, 2024 8:47:15 GMT -5
I have an idea on how we could play this game. It's gonna take some coming around for most of us, but it's better than the present.
You recruit high talented high school kids marginalized by the portal (the kid that's not going to Stillwater because of Brantley). There's probably 150 of these kids across the country. Kids that La Salle occasionally landed out of high school but not commonly (Neal, JT, Murray, Duren).
Mix them in with a a couple Euros, a couple of transfers.
Understand that real senior nights are going to become rare, like Calipari in Lexington rare, but we'll occasionally get a 4 year player. Now, here's the tricky part, getting those marginalized stud freshmen to stay 2 years. I don't know how we do it. Have the money be attached to a 2 year contract, use it as a recruiting pitch, I'm open to suggestions...
Here's my reasoning. Rather than turn the roster over every damn spring, we become a defacto 2 year school, almost like a JUCO. Every other season, we would be almost. starting from scratch. However, every other year, we can push towards the top to middle of the A10 based on roster retention alone. It's still going to be a challenge, but it doesn't become Memorial Day Weekend with the roster in flux, where we are losing Euro signees to Nick Cannon's school in the movie Drumline.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 22, 2024 9:36:30 GMT -5
Here's an article that came up in my feed about this topic published on May 17th - lots of ideas in here including stuff we've discussed like multi-year contacts, buy-outs, etc. Probably the clearest article I've seen on how agents factor into all this and the problems with NIL. Some excerpts below, but the article is worth the read Agent reveals how NIL really works in college sports
www.mlive.com/sports/2024/05/agent-reveals-how-nil-really-works-in-college-sports.htmlA large number of high-major men’s basketball programs are working with a $3 million annual budget to spend on the roster, Poneman said. Only a handful are higher. There are high-majors spending as little as $500,000 and everywhere in between. Spending doesn’t necessarily correlate to winning. Some teams spent less than $1 million last season and had great success; others were at the $3 million mark and missed the NCAA Tournament.
So how does an agent factor into this operation? Poneman said a good one adds value by understanding the market and not negotiating based off rumors; reviewing contracts; and ensuring players get paid. “There are stories -- many true -- of kids being promised $100,000 and getting $20,000,” he said.
Even if all athletes could be properly assisted, issues remain. Poneman would like to see more multi-year deals with buyouts. If a player leaves a school, he would have to return some of the money he was given or forfeit future payments from the school, depending on the case. In these scenarios, Poneman said, the player would be recouping that money (and more) from whatever deal he was signing at his new school.
The distinction between an athlete’s college career and professional career is eroding, Poneman said. It might be better to think of it as one long journey, with the NCAA being the starting point.
“The NCAA has been hellbent on putting the toothpaste back in the tube,” Poneman said, referencing the organization’s lobbying for government intervention. “It’s not going back in the tube.
“The toothpaste is on the toothbrush, so let’s figure out how to work together to move forward.” |
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Post by 23won on May 22, 2024 10:38:02 GMT -5
I have a vague recollection that Buyouts or clawbacks are disfavored or not permitted in many/most states (or under NCAA guidelines)
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Post by thelasallelunatic on May 22, 2024 14:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 23, 2024 18:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 23, 2024 19:15:14 GMT -5
NCAA tournament as we know it will be done within 5 years with this decision to allow power conferences to pay players. There will be 2 separate tournaments, and it will suck.
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Post by big5explorer on May 23, 2024 19:22:58 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the “college players deserve to be paid” people. College sports, and La Salle basketball, as we’ve all known it, is done forever.
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Post by big5explorer on May 23, 2024 19:29:50 GMT -5
The ripples of these decisions wont’t stop here. Wont be long until graduate and undergraduate students involved in academic research grants are bringing lawsuits against Universities to obtain pay for their involvement in obtaining six-figure or seven-figure grants for their schools.
The money-suck going to paid students, athletics & and academic, will eventually bankrupt Universities.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 23, 2024 20:18:38 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the “college players deserve to be paid” people. College sports, and La Salle basketball, as we’ve all known it, is done forever. at least we are getting a nice new arena to play our Division 1 Double A ball in. |
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Post by crayzeeguy on May 23, 2024 20:24:16 GMT -5
Maybe I’m wrong but this framework would cover all NCAA schools. The Power 5 are called out because they are semi-autonomous, with the NCAA callout covering the remaining conferences that don’t have that power.
Curious to see what schools will pay out the $20M. Not necessarily a lot of money for a big state school, but when spread say across 800 student athletes, it’s not much per person either. And imagine the future lawsuits when women’s programs don’t get an equal share of the pie as the men’s football or basketball teams get. And how about those tax payer lawsuits against the state universities using tax payer funds to beef up their athletic programs. WOAH NELLIE.
Wouldn’t be surprised in a couple of years to see one large Power 5 and Friends organization doing their thing, and a separate governing body covering all the other Universities across the country that just say “fuck it, I’m out”. We may miss our heated rivalries with Duke and North Carolina, but we’ll be forced to get used to new ones against the Merchant Marine Academy and New England Tractor Trailer Training School (NETTTS for most of you).
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 24, 2024 7:18:25 GMT -5
I wonder what the Title IX implications of this will end up being. If Michigan pays players on their football team $5M, do they have to distribute another $5M across women's sports for equity? If they then add another $3M for their men's basketball team, do they have to then fund another $3M to female athletes?
Would their fans be asked to give to a player salary fund, or will they just raise ticket prices and seat licenses?
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Post by jb71 on May 24, 2024 10:11:42 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the “college players deserve to be paid” people. College sports, and La Salle basketball, as we’ve all known it, is done forever. at least we are getting a nice new arena to play our Division 1 Double A ball in. Or more likely high level Rookie League |
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Post by weston2 on May 24, 2024 10:54:28 GMT -5
I wonder what the Title IX implications of this will end up being. If Michigan pays players on their football team $5M, do they have to distribute another $5M across women's sports for equity? If they then add another $3M for their men's basketball team, do they have to then fund another $3M to female athletes? Would their fans be asked to give to a player salary fund, or will they just raise ticket prices and seat licenses? Is there such a thing as Title IX if they are employees? Just throwing that out there. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 24, 2024 11:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by thelasallelunatic on May 24, 2024 13:42:56 GMT -5
If you're a male non revenue sport, you're screwed.
Olympic sport athletes are not in good spots right now.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 24, 2024 14:37:02 GMT -5
They’re prob going to remain the same. I could see football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball breaking away.
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