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Post by calsufan on Apr 3, 2024 16:57:24 GMT -5
I don't have any inside scoop but here is my best guess on what could happen Jig and Brantley go for bigger bucks. If they get it, I can't fault them | We (a) backfill with 2 Deuces, (b) maintain Brantley (long shot) and Deuce J or (c) settle on Jones and Gill (65 minutes) if we can't afford Turner Shep doesn't come back if he gets bank. In that case, the guy from Abilene Christian or Del State comes in for 27 minutes; Marrero picks up 13 min at the 3 and 5 min at the 2 Tunde (15 min at 4 and 10 min at the 2) and the local kid (Brewer) from Texas A&M Commerce (25 min) split minutes at the 4 spot Rokas and Lilley primarily split minutes at the 5 This could get you 16-20 wins (20 if Lilley or Brewer can be a solid A10 performer) That's a heck of a lot of hopin' and prayin'. |
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Post by fvp47 on Apr 3, 2024 16:58:46 GMT -5
Gentlemen.
All this going on about minutes for this guy or that guy is entertaining but donations need to be made to the Collective. You may not like NIL but that is the reality as of now.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 3, 2024 17:00:40 GMT -5
This thread is One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest like. Does Chief have any eligibility left?
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 4, 2024 7:17:29 GMT -5
SO is "donate to the collective" going to be the new "donate to the school" as a response on every thread now, regardless of what it's about?
"If we win tomorrow, we'll be the 7 seed in the A-10 tournament."
"If you really want to talk about SEEDS, the money that you donate to the collective is like a seed that will grow."
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Post by explorerman on Apr 4, 2024 7:50:33 GMT -5
Saying "if nobody comes back we're a 10 win team" without knowing who we bring in to replace them is silly, especially given we're already +1 on P5 players next year versus last. It is one of the stupider comments in a long time Some posters just need to take a break.. You are letting emotion cloud logic… People thought Dunphy was leaving early.. That was news to everyone at the University.. Next people thought we couldn’t recruit kids.. We already got a high upside P5 player and are in deep on a couple very interesting transfer portal prospects from both coasts of the country.. Finally, the biggest and longest running of the really silly themes is posters are overrating the talent in the portal… Outside of Brickus whose list is literally only high major.. are you noticing that no one is getting high major school interest, even for $0 NIL.. The ceiling is other A-10 schools but most of the lists are low major that should be telling you something. Finally, you need to understand how the recruiting and reporting works.. players and/or handlers will list every school possible even if it was a 30 second call with the 3rd assistant and they will especially do this with the “highest prestige” schools to try and help value. I hate to be harsh but some of these comments are and have been really silly.. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 4, 2024 8:15:39 GMT -5
SO is "donate to the collective" going to be the new "donate to the school" as a response on every thread now, regardless of what it's about? "If we win tomorrow, we'll be the 7 seed in the A-10 tournament." "If you really want to talk about SEEDS, the money that you donate to the collective is like a seed that will grow." It's getting like that on the Joey's board as well. And I've never fancied myself an activist/fight the power type of guy, but I'm feeling like Rage Against the Machine and Tom Morello when it comes to collectives. The last thing I want to do is be at an auction or play Rick Harrison on Pawn Stars for a 20 year old 2 guard or wing. To let you know how unstable (probably still am) or crazy I was at 20, I was ready to fight Gary Neal over a girl in Neumann that I was hooking up with....not a girlfriend, not a fiance, not a wife, something I look back and laugh at now. You know how many Nokia and razor phones I broke in college (not over girls, I wasn't a psycho, just being a dumb kid)  Now I ask you, is investing an elite athlete, who's feelings/emotions can change on a dime, at an age when people are closest to an actual crazy person (17-24), filled with piss and vinegar and tons of testosterone, any type of a smart bet or investment??? It's closer to investing in a Nigerian Prince than a wise investment. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 4, 2024 8:30:28 GMT -5
You're ok to have this take. Nobody should give you grief about it. But we also cannot knock the kids for taking the money. You can hate the system without hating on the kids.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 4, 2024 8:56:08 GMT -5
Saying "if nobody comes back we're a 10 win team" without knowing who we bring in to replace them is silly, especially given we're already +1 on P5 players next year versus last. It is one of the stupider comments in a long time Some posters just need to take a break.. You are letting emotion cloud logic… People thought Dunphy was leaving early.. That was news to everyone at the University.. Next people thought we couldn’t recruit kids.. We already got a high upside P5 player and are in deep on a couple very interesting transfer portal prospects from both coasts of the country.. Finally, the biggest and longest running of the really silly themes is posters are overrating the talent in the portal… Outside of Brickus whose list is literally only high major.. are you noticing that no one is getting high major school interest, even for $0 NIL.. The ceiling is other A-10 schools but most of the lists are low major that should be telling you something. Finally, you need to understand how the recruiting and reporting works.. players and/or handlers will list every school possible even if it was a 30 second call with the 3rd assistant and they will especially do this with the “highest prestige” schools to try and help value. I hate to be harsh but some of these comments are and have been really silly.. Are you or are you not, the guy who has been suggesting we give Brickus our entire NIL fund? I think you know some hoops, so you wanna talk down and educate the entire board, be my guest. Your faith in our center, with bad hands, slow feet, who couldn't guard you, with a general lack of interest in playing, minus a handful of games this season, makes me question your eyes for talent, but again, be my guest. If you think that La Salle is going to come out ahead, in this new era of portal and NIL BS, despite turning over 4/5th of the starters, basically everyone but your boy, that's the biggest head scratcher of them all. A project from Penn State, not exactly NC State, who underwhelmed in State College BTW, doesn't cure our ails. If anybody was down on Dunph this season, it was you explorerman. It's all here in black and white for everyone to read. Putting out a statement on the oldest coach in Division 1 after he left an open-ended question on the table in his final press conference of the season ain't exactly asking for alot. I will take a break, but you're batting closer to 100 than 1000 with your pontificating about this program. |
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Post by explorerman on Apr 4, 2024 11:34:25 GMT -5
It is one of the stupider comments in a long time Some posters just need to take a break.. You are letting emotion cloud logic… People thought Dunphy was leaving early.. That was news to everyone at the University.. Next people thought we couldn’t recruit kids.. We already got a high upside P5 player and are in deep on a couple very interesting transfer portal prospects from both coasts of the country.. Finally, the biggest and longest running of the really silly themes is posters are overrating the talent in the portal… Outside of Brickus whose list is literally only high major.. are you noticing that no one is getting high major school interest, even for $0 NIL.. The ceiling is other A-10 schools but most of the lists are low major that should be telling you something. Finally, you need to understand how the recruiting and reporting works.. players and/or handlers will list every school possible even if it was a 30 second call with the 3rd assistant and they will especially do this with the “highest prestige” schools to try and help value. I hate to be harsh but some of these comments are and have been really silly.. Are you or are you not, the guy who has been suggesting we give Brickus our entire NIL fund? I think you know some hoops, so you wanna talk down and educate the entire board, be my guest. Your faith in our center, with bad hands, slow feet, who couldn't guard you, with a general lack of interest in playing, minus a handful of games this season, makes me question your eyes for talent, but again, be my guest. If you think that La Salle is going to come out ahead, in this new era of portal and NIL BS, despite turning over 4/5th of the starters, basically everyone but your boy, that's the biggest head scratcher of them all. A project from Penn State, not exactly NC State, who underwhelmed in State College BTW, doesn't cure our ails. If anybody was down on Dunph this season, it was you explorerman. It's all here in black and white for everyone to read. Putting out a statement on the oldest coach in Division 1 after he left an open-ended question on the table in his final press conference of the season ain't exactly asking for alot. I will take a break, but you're batting closer to 100 than 1000 with your pontificating about this program. It is understandable that you are defensive about your comment. My comment is not about you as a person or poster, it is about the comment. But let's be clear here: you have passion for the program, and that is the MOST important thing. Look, some of us just operate with more information and knowledge. That is not a disparaging comment towards you; it is just reality. Regarding Brickus and NIL, I have said I would like the program to make an aggressive play and try to increase the odds of a winning season next year by retaining Brickus. Building some excitement around the program is one way to get people to open their pockets. I have also said the fiduciary part of my brain says you can't do it, and you can't give everything to one player. I have presented balance and both sides are acceptable. The devil in me says bet on him and get $100-$200k in new money donations for NIL as the season progresses. And, again, maybe you missed this series of posts. Rokas' season was a disappointment. Now, he did have a lower body injury for about half the season, but the results are how they are judged in the real world. The taller you are, the tougher a lower-body injury is. So while I am a supporter of his and certainly a pre-season supporter of his.. I think I have been fairly transparent on this.. Coming into the season, I had an asst coach of another A-10 ask me about 2 players: Brickus and Rokas. That coaching staff believed those were our 2 highest-ceiling players, and frankly, I concurred with that. Brickus was certainly already established, and his statistics spoke for themselves. Rokas was much younger than Brickus and, frankly, is a legit 6'10. Someone who can protect the rim if a guard gets beat and shows flashes of offensive moves as an underclassman. His clean beat on Amari Williams, one of the best defensive big men in the country, to start the season was a masterclass. You struggle to find legit, high-ceiling big men at programs like La Salle. Let's be honest, you just don't. But it was downhill from there. You know the potential is there, we have all seen it, but it needs to be more consistent. So, anyway, that is the nexus of my perceived favoritism towards Rokas, but again, I feel like I have been transparent with my criticism of him, too as the season progressed. Maybe you missed that? If anything, I thought people thought I was going overboard on Brickus during the season. I certainly wasn't saying, let's dump the NIL truck on Rokas. I feel pretty comfortable about being correct about Dunphy. I am grateful we have him but do you honestly think he did a great job coaching or managing the program last year? Those are and can be 2 separate things. I am not sure what the comment about black and white for everyone to read? I feel comfortable in saying it was an underwhelming season for Dunphy and one that motivates him to come back. Again, he is Hall of Fame coach and I AM GRATEFUL for having him. But let's be real and honest here. (1) The roster and scholarships have been mismanaged. After one recruiting season, you can give him a pass. But we are at multiple recruiting periods. A quarter of the roster of schollies was not used on a team that had a dearth of skill and they are HIS recruits, not Ashley's. (2) In-game management was also perplexing at times during the season. He, obviously, messed up on the Temple game. I appreciate the people defending him but sorry he should have had the players foul 10 out of 10 times. There were several games of the season where the opposing team made a mid-teen runs and we had multiple timeouts and gassed players and the runs gets worse. Timeouts should be used to stop the run and recompose the team. Instead, it was some heavy clapping. This happened way too many times this season for a team with a low margin of error. (3) The biggest for me was the lack of structure on offense. There are way too many extended periods of 6-7 seconds on the shot clock, and we have to go 'Starball' to generate most of the time a low expected point opportunity. I would have expected that Coach would set up an offensive structure to at least give the players the best chance to succeed offensively. Subsequent conversations through the season with involved parties, noted that Coach lets the players manage the offense. This part is certainly open for debate but I know there are several people on my side and have been open about it. There needs to be a structure and/or a base 15-20 plays in place that can be called upon to get the hot hand the ball in a good scoring opportunity. It was very apparent as the season progressed and "Starball" increased in usage that Coach did not have an interest. Look I am NOT assassinating the person or the character of the person... I am pointing out facts and events that have happened this past year, these developments do directly fall on the coach of any program. Doesn't matter if it was Dunphy or Ashley or G. But let's get back to the core issue here, and that is your passion for the program. It is great. At a time of below-average performance for decades, the fact that you still have a deep love for the school and program is FANTASTIC. And, to be frank, it is needed. The interested fan base is dying off, so every person is needed. No one person is perfect. I am certainly not. I was really wrong about Ashley. I remember when Colleen asked me about Ashley and I said I know him personally. You need to do it. Ashley was very very excited about getting his chance to lead a D1 program. It was a splash hire with a high upside coach in a program that needed after G ran down all the goodwill and benefit from the Sweet Sixteen run. More recently, I was wrong about the comments I made about the school and the Duke trip. I have never issued an "I'm sorry," but it weighed on my mind throughout the season. While I do feel correct, the team was not prepared and played scared/timid. I could see that with my eyes, decisions (blown defensive assignments, self-inflicted TOs, etc) being made on the court, and the end result. While I do not think anyone prefers that, it is understandable considering the situation. I should have exercised better balance in my commentary I was very wrong about the school and the handling of the game with the alumni. We do need to do those types of events to keep the alumni invested. They were not cheap experience tickets either. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 4, 2024 11:58:24 GMT -5
Now I ask you, is investing an elite athlete, who's feelings/emotions can change on a dime, at an age when people are closest to an actual crazy person (17-24), filled with piss and vinegar and tons of testosterone, any type of a smart bet or investment??? I'm with you on the 17-24. Heck...my 3 kids are ages 18-24 right now and the idea of donating money to build a collective to buy someone else's kid to play 30 games of basketball at 20th and Olney is just not in the cards for me. I thought the whole point of NIL and the collectives was to allow corporations to hire these athletes as sponsors and give them compensation, or for the school to sell a #2 jersey with Brickus' name on it in the bookstore and allow him to get a cut of it. I'm fine with that. I don't remember NIL being designed for individuals to fund these collectives with cash, but it seems to have evolved into that, and as individual fans we are being hit up on here to contribute to that in order to not lose 2 out of every 3 conference games like we did this year. I would think the collective should be out soliciting corporations, not asking a message board admin to post a link with the message that every dollar counts like we are a CYO fundraiser. |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 4, 2024 12:11:35 GMT -5
That's where I am. I absolutely think the kids should get paid and want them to get as much as possible but I'm just as absolutely never going to be funding any of it unless I have a massive change in my own financial security.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 4, 2024 13:11:20 GMT -5
Now I ask you, is investing an elite athlete, who's feelings/emotions can change on a dime, at an age when people are closest to an actual crazy person (17-24), filled with piss and vinegar and tons of testosterone, any type of a smart bet or investment??? I thought the whole point of NIL and the collectives was to allow corporations to hire these athletes as sponsors and give them compensation, or for the school to sell a #2 jersey with Brickus' name on it in the bookstore and allow him to get a cut of it. I'm fine with that. I don't remember NIL being designed for individuals to fund these collectives with cash, but it seems to have evolved into that, and as individual fans we are being hit up on here to contribute to that in order to not lose 2 out of every 3 conference games like we did this year. I would think the collective should be out soliciting corporations, not asking a message board admin to post a link with the message that every dollar counts like we are a CYO fundraiser. This is pretty spot on in my opinion. Also, feel free to get mad at me, but if this really does all boil down to a financial arms race, we're already beat. Giving your money to a third party candidate who is going to get 3 percent of the vote is absolutely your prerogative, and is in some cases even admirable, but its also not going to make a tangible difference (please understand I'm clearly using a metaphor here and not trying to get into a political thing). |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 4, 2024 13:14:23 GMT -5
I thought the whole point of NIL and the collectives was to allow corporations to hire these athletes as sponsors and give them compensation, or for the school to sell a #2 jersey with Brickus' name on it in the bookstore and allow him to get a cut of it. I'm fine with that. I don't remember NIL being designed for individuals to fund these collectives with cash, but it seems to have evolved into that, and as individual fans we are being hit up on here to contribute to that in order to not lose 2 out of every 3 conference games like we did this year. I would think the collective should be out soliciting corporations, not asking a message board admin to post a link with the message that every dollar counts like we are a CYO fundraiser. This is pretty spot on in my opinion. Also, feel free to get mad at me, but if this really does all boil down to a financial arms race, we're already beat. Giving your money to a third party candidate who is going to get 3 percent of the vote is absolutely your prerogative, and is in some cases even admirable, but its also not going to make a tangible difference (please understand I'm clearly using a metaphor here and not trying to get into a political thing). I hear you Mr. Holiday Inn Express... I'm know that you're using analogies and not necessarily bringing RFK Jr., Ralph Nader, and Ross Perot into this conversation. |
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Post by calsufan on Apr 4, 2024 13:32:16 GMT -5
This is pretty spot on in my opinion. Also, feel free to get mad at me, but if this really does all boil down to a financial arms race, we're already beat. Giving your money to a third party candidate who is going to get 3 percent of the vote is absolutely your prerogative, and is in some cases even admirable, but its also not going to make a tangible difference (please understand I'm clearly using a metaphor here and not trying to get into a political thing). I hear you Mr. Holiday Inn Express... I'm know that you're using analogies and not necessarily bringing RFK Jr., Ralph Nader, and Ross Perot into this conversation. What? No love for Jill Stein or Cornel West?  |
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Post by 23won on Apr 4, 2024 15:07:39 GMT -5
I am now giving my NIL money set aside for the Connor Roy presidential campaign. Y'all have made a compelling case against NIL.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 4, 2024 21:23:54 GMT -5
It is one of the stupider comments in a long time Some posters just need to take a break.. You are letting emotion cloud logic… People thought Dunphy was leaving early.. That was news to everyone at the University.. Next people thought we couldn’t recruit kids.. We already got a high upside P5 player and are in deep on a couple very interesting transfer portal prospects from both coasts of the country.. Finally, the biggest and longest running of the really silly themes is posters are overrating the talent in the portal… Outside of Brickus whose list is literally only high major.. are you noticing that no one is getting high major school interest, even for $0 NIL.. The ceiling is other A-10 schools but most of the lists are low major that should be telling you something. Finally, you need to understand how the recruiting and reporting works.. players and/or handlers will list every school possible even if it was a 30 second call with the 3rd assistant and they will especially do this with the “highest prestige” schools to try and help value. I hate to be harsh but some of these comments are and have been really silly.. A project from Penn State, not exactly NC State, who underwhelmed in State College BTW, doesn't cure our ails. cheap shot. you have no idea what you're talking about. you've never seen him play. not saying he's going to be a superstar, but he's a 3 star recruit, highest rated big man la salle has gotten since murray. was hurt his freshman year and then the coach who signed him left for notre dame and he was recruited over. despite this, he worked his way into the rotation this past season and was praised by the coach who recruited over him. if he can stay healthy, he's going to help this team. smh |
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Post by lasallejohn on Apr 5, 2024 4:23:38 GMT -5
I’d rather a player described as a “junkyard dog” in one of the articles be our starting center, and then let rokas come in and shoot his 3s
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Post by las71 on Apr 5, 2024 8:38:36 GMT -5
I can see some twin towers minutes as we move from being one of the smaller A10 teams. I know it's just a highlight video but the part where Lilley cuts to the hoop, catches a bounce pass and dunks makes me think we'll be happy to have him. I'm sure Rokas is working on his 3 point shot as we read these posts. Let's go 'splorers.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 5, 2024 9:09:38 GMT -5
I just want him to defend the post and rebound more than anything. 2 areas we desperately need to improve. When he gets shots at the rim make half of those. I would be thrilled with that.
This staff likes him and that is why they made him a priority. Good enough for me. We now have a lot of size.
Next step adding some guards who can score the ball by breaking their man down or shooting more consistently. Fingers crossed here.
Overall I feel better now about our projections for next year than I did after the A-10 tournament. We are involved with guys who can help us. We need to close the deal which is the hardest part.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 5, 2024 10:07:38 GMT -5
...We are involved with guys who can help us. We need to close the deal which is the hardest part. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 5, 2024 10:24:11 GMT -5
You're on fire today.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 5, 2024 10:47:07 GMT -5
That's where I am. I absolutely think the kids should get paid and want them to get as much as possible but I'm just as absolutely never going to be funding any of it unless I have a massive change in my own financial security. You and I have now agreed for the second time in a couple of weeks. I believe this might have been foretold in the Book of Revelations as one of the signs signaling The End of Days. This explains today's earthquake and the solar eclipse on Monday. The rapture is upon us. |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2024 10:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah, whatever the 3rd time is will probably be the end. Won't even make it to get my "Most Popular Poster 2024" award.
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Post by 23won on Apr 5, 2024 11:51:34 GMT -5
Watching Seton Hall last night was great. So many 6-3- 6'5 athletic players hustling on D in transition and in half court drives AND protecting the rim. I'd be happy with those types of additions on top of Lilley.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2024 12:06:27 GMT -5
It feels like that was Giannini's vision pre-transfer era. I loved it then but he never quite got the right group in.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 5, 2024 12:49:00 GMT -5
That's where I am. I absolutely think the kids should get paid and want them to get as much as possible but I'm just as absolutely never going to be funding any of it unless I have a massive change in my own financial security. You and I have now agreed for the second time in a couple of weeks. I believe this might have been foretold in the Book of Revelations as one of the signs signaling The End of Days. This explains today's earthquake and the solar eclipse on Monday. The rapture is upon us.  |
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 10, 2024 11:42:05 GMT -5
Lilley officially signed.  |
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Post by roaddog77 on Apr 10, 2024 21:59:24 GMT -5
Lilley officially signed. welcome to 20th and Olney Lilley. |
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