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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 21, 2024 7:56:53 GMT -5
You also aren't being asked to donate your own money to pay those players in other sports. The owners do that. Free agency is fine, but don't have a bake sale with people already being asked to buy tickets and donate to an arena to then contribute to the collective. Yeah, to be honest I think this current system is trying to hold together two totally divergent ideas with dental floss. Players getting paid for their services and having freedom of movement like any other athlete or employee, but doing it without contracts and within the framework of Colleges and Universities. It's a 7-10 split to continue further mixing my metaphors. Andrew, I'm don't know if you ate Wheaties this morning, or stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, but you're firing on all cylinders today. I'm with you. I'm cool with players getting paid. I'd like to ban collectives, and limit transfers, some how or some way. If it's 1 freebie and 1 you have to sit, if it's you can't transfer within conferences, if it's a contract that is tied to your money where a player has to complete 2 seasons, I don't have the answer. But if it's going to be professional sports tied to going to classes, there has to be rules in place to protect all parties. And I'm fine with waiving all rules in the case of a coach being fired or leaving. There has to be a middle ground between 10 years ago and today. (Players were getting paid 10 years ago, don't believe the Shabazz Napier going hungry BS). |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 21, 2024 8:28:02 GMT -5
Yeah, to be honest I think this current system is trying to hold together two totally divergent ideas with dental floss. Players getting paid for their services and having freedom of movement like any other athlete or employee, but doing it without contracts and within the framework of Colleges and Universities. It's a 7-10 split to continue further mixing my metaphors. Andrew, I'm don't know if you ate Wheaties this morning, . I appreciate that, but the last meal I had was a meatball pizza bar pie and 3 Hazy IPA's while I was playing March Madness themed Bar Trivia last night (losing my lead on the Final Jeopardy question of "Player with most blocks in an NCAA Tournament game"). |
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Post by hykos1045 on Mar 21, 2024 8:47:11 GMT -5
I had to look it up, and it was "Who is Shaq," with 11! Never could have guessed that.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 21, 2024 8:48:39 GMT -5
Host said “It’s not an obscure name” so I guessed Olajuwon. Then got paranoid it was going to be Ewing, which would’ve hurt to lose on as a Knicks fan.
No one got it, but the group right behind us won because they made a smaller wager.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 21, 2024 13:09:34 GMT -5
Delgreco Wilson indicating on Hawk Board that he expects at least four from La Salle to be in portal.
The "streets" talk... Players have "guys"...
Their guys call around, the college coaches call and ask about the players...
It's fairly easy to know who's going in the portal...
There will be more Big 5 exits over the next week or so...
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Post by MisterD on Mar 21, 2024 13:11:18 GMT -5
Expecting significant turnover at the school that finished 6th in the Big 5 Classic?
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Post by lasallejohn on Mar 21, 2024 19:43:08 GMT -5
Looks like villanofun committed to Neptune next year
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 21, 2024 20:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Mar 21, 2024 22:00:57 GMT -5
Looks like villanofun committed to Neptune next year He'll be gone after next year if he doesn't have a significant turnaround. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 21, 2024 22:29:05 GMT -5
Like an NIT win?
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 21, 2024 23:04:38 GMT -5
Host said “It’s not an obscure name” so I guessed Olajuwon. Then got paranoid it was going to be Ewing, which would’ve hurt to lose on as a Knicks fan. No one got it, but the group right behind us won because they made a smaller wager. BH Born had 13 blocked shots in the 1953 national championship game. The ncaa doesn’t ‘officially’ recognize blocked shots before 1986, though. Artis Gilmore also had an 11-block tourney game |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 22, 2024 7:07:03 GMT -5
Host said “It’s not an obscure name” so I guessed Olajuwon. Then got paranoid it was going to be Ewing, which would’ve hurt to lose on as a Knicks fan. No one got it, but the group right behind us won because they made a smaller wager. BH Born had 13 blocked shots in the 1953 national championship game. The ncaa doesn’t ‘officially’ recognize blocked shots before 1986, though. Artis Gilmore also had an 11-block tourney game Yeah I realized when I looked it up later that all the stats were post 1986. Kind of like how the NFL didn't start counting sacks until 1982, after LT's rookie year in '81. |
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Post by explorerfan07 on Mar 22, 2024 10:13:51 GMT -5
Then we will not get players to stay or get the players we want from the portal. I do not view my comment as harsh but realistic. I do not expect that anyone person on the board can give large amounts to nil but working together it makes difference. Welcome to the new world gentleman You're actually making an argument here to not donate at all to the program at La Salle...because...why bother unless we also fund NIL? The collective should be out hitting up corporations and high wealth individuals to fund this. Maybe they are...I have no idea because there is no transparency around what is going in and coming out. If you’d like transparency about the NIL collective, then join it. Otherwise, how might you suggest there be transparency? Schools cannot promote NIL and divulge information about how dollars are being used. I don’t understand your thought process here. Individuals from the NIL collective likely do not want to make anything public because it is all an arms race. No schools or collectives are promoting how much each student athlete receives - and there’s a reason for that. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2024 10:30:17 GMT -5
You're actually making an argument here to not donate at all to the program at La Salle...because...why bother unless we also fund NIL? The collective should be out hitting up corporations and high wealth individuals to fund this. Maybe they are...I have no idea because there is no transparency around what is going in and coming out. If you’d like transparency about the NIL collective, then join it. Otherwise, how might you suggest there be transparency? Schools cannot promote NIL and divulge information about how dollars are being used. I don’t understand your thought process here. Individuals from the NIL collective likely do not want to make anything public because it is all an arms race. No schools or collectives are promoting how much each student athlete receives - and there’s a reason for that. I'll pass on joining the collective. If I'm going to give money to any college-aged kids, it will be my own. Should I be joining the collective to "buy players" who might leave the following year when more money comes along. Who's allocating the money and what are their qualifications, or shall I put blind trust in some unknown entity of "collective leadership" to spend the money wisely? If we buy players that don't pan out, can we boo them because they are essentially pros and we aren't getting our money's worth? I've never boo'd a La Salle player and I hate when I hear people doing it in the stands..but if now they are "bought talent", like professionals, does that apply? I get it is the new reality, but it is actually going to destroy fan loyalty which is what a school like La Salle needs to put butts in seats. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2024 10:43:01 GMT -5
I think I can answer those questions for you ... If you’d like transparency about the NIL collective, then join it. Otherwise, how might you suggest there be transparency? Schools cannot promote NIL and divulge information about how dollars are being used. I don’t understand your thought process here. Individuals from the NIL collective likely do not want to make anything public because it is all an arms race. No schools or collectives are promoting how much each student athlete receives - and there’s a reason for that. |
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Post by las71 on Mar 22, 2024 10:47:57 GMT -5
I'm conflicted about the NIL collectives. There's no transparency which makes me uncomfortable. When you argue that if they have to reveal what they're paying individual players it becomes an arms race my thought is that it already is an arms race and it's an arms race where there is no information to guide collectives on what they should be paying players. Agents, family members and the players themselves have incentives to exaggerate "offers" in order to inflate the market. This is an extraordinarily difficult position especially for schools with limits on what they can pay. That being said I did join the La Salle collective because every little bit counts especially for small schools like ours. My hope is that we raise enough to either keep a couple of our kids or grab a couple from the portal. The system stinks but it's what we have so I hope those that are able donate what they can so we can compete until a better system is put in place.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2024 10:53:37 GMT -5
I assume its all for the same reason that most(?) corporate jobs lack salary transparency. Once you know for sure someone makes $50K, you know exactly how little you have to offer to beat it.
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Post by jb71 on Mar 22, 2024 10:58:08 GMT -5
You're actually making an argument here to not donate at all to the program at La Salle...because...why bother unless we also fund NIL? The collective should be out hitting up corporations and high wealth individuals to fund this. Maybe they are...I have no idea because there is no transparency around what is going in and coming out. If you’d like transparency about the NIL collective, then join it. Otherwise, how might you suggest there be transparency? Schools cannot promote NIL and divulge information about how dollars are being used. I don’t understand your thought process here. Individuals from the NIL collective likely do not want to make anything public because it is all an arms race. No schools or collectives are promoting how much each student athlete receives - and there’s a reason for that. I'm not sure I understand how it works. Do the collective and the coaches determine how amounts for individual players? Who has final say? |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 22, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -5
If you’d like transparency about the NIL collective, then join it. Otherwise, how might you suggest there be transparency? Schools cannot promote NIL and divulge information about how dollars are being used. I don’t understand your thought process here. Individuals from the NIL collective likely do not want to make anything public because it is all an arms race. No schools or collectives are promoting how much each student athlete receives - and there’s a reason for that. I'll pass on joining the collective. If I'm going to give money to any college-aged kids, it will be my own. Should I be joining the collective to "buy players" who might leave the following year when more money comes along. If we buy players that don't pan out, can we boo them because they are essentially pros and we aren't getting our money's worth? I've never boo'd a La Salle player and I hate when I hear people doing it in the stands..but if now they are "bought talent", like professionals, does that apply? I get it is the new reality, but it is actually going to destroy fan loyalty which is what a school like La Salle needs to put butts in seats. right now, i'm tapped out as far as donations. between the explorer fund, days of giving, and a fairly substantial arena donation, i just can't fit giving nil money into my budget now, and even if i could, it wouldn't be enough to make a difference. and in addition to fitting it into my annual charity budget, my biggest issue with giving nil money was included in glitter's analysis. |
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Post by explorerfan07 on Mar 22, 2024 12:25:12 GMT -5
If you’d like transparency about the NIL collective, then join it. Otherwise, how might you suggest there be transparency? Schools cannot promote NIL and divulge information about how dollars are being used. I don’t understand your thought process here. Individuals from the NIL collective likely do not want to make anything public because it is all an arms race. No schools or collectives are promoting how much each student athlete receives - and there’s a reason for that. I'll pass on joining the collective. If I'm going to give money to any college-aged kids, it will be my own. Should I be joining the collective to "buy players" who might leave the following year when more money comes along. Who's allocating the money and what are their qualifications, or shall I put blind trust in some unknown entity of "collective leadership" to spend the money wisely? If we buy players that don't pan out, can we boo them because they are essentially pros and we aren't getting our money's worth? I've never boo'd a La Salle player and I hate when I hear people doing it in the stands..but if now they are "bought talent", like professionals, does that apply? I get it is the new reality, but it is actually going to destroy fan loyalty which is what a school like La Salle needs to put butts in seats. I don’t blame you for not paying into the collective. I agree with a lot of what you said. I just don’t understand the transparency part of your prior argument. Seemed like an indictment on the collective or school, when in fact no other schools are transparent to outside fans/entities unless you’re a part of the group. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2024 12:27:47 GMT -5
No indictment of the school at all on the collective. It is independent of the school. I just don't understand the collective and who is behind it enough to throw money at it and have them take 10-15% off the top.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2024 12:38:08 GMT -5
I assume its all for the same reason that most(?) corporate jobs lack salary transparency. Once you know for sure someone makes $50K, you know exactly how little you have to offer to beat it. Separate topic, but many states now require disclosing salary ranges in the job advertisements. Most of what I'm seeing and posting lately (at least in my industry - biotech) shows this. www.payanalytics.com/resources/articles/us-pay-transparency-laws-by-state |
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Post by giveansk1 on Mar 22, 2024 12:38:10 GMT -5
No indictment of the school at all on the collective. It is independent of the school. I just don't understand the collective and who is behind it enough to throw money at it and have them take 10-15% off the top. The 10-15% is what kills me too. I donate to a college football collective and the selling point is 100% goes to players and money raising drives are centered on retaining players who have already made a significant impact. Translating this to La Salle, if you had a drive to retain Brickus for example I’d be more inclined to donate. I |
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2024 15:58:15 GMT -5
Shep's list:
The Portal Report
@theportalreport
LaSalle transfer Daeshon Shepherd (
@dshepherd022
) has received interest from the following programs:
Richmond
GW
St. Bonaventure
Illinois State
FGCU
UMass
Northern Kentucky
UNCW
+more!
Seems to me he is better staying at La Salle unless he wants a total change of scenery.
It seems the A10 is cannibalizing itself. A lot of these A10 transfers have other A10 schools after them.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 22, 2024 16:01:34 GMT -5
Half of those schools have a big check waiting for him. FGCU would be a great fit. I hope he comes back. I think he can be someone here.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 22, 2024 16:34:48 GMT -5
Shep's list: The Portal Report @theportalreport LaSalle transfer Daeshon Shepherd ( @dshepherd022 ) has received interest from the following programs: Richmond GW St. Bonaventure Illinois State FGCU UMass Northern Kentucky UNCW +more! Seems to me he is better staying at La Salle unless he wants a total change of scenery. It seems the A10 is cannibalizing itself. A lot of these A10 transfers have other A10 schools after them. Half of the list is A10 schools. |
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 22, 2024 18:20:03 GMT -5
Host said “It’s not an obscure name” so I guessed Olajuwon. Then got paranoid it was going to be Ewing, which would’ve hurt to lose on as a Knicks fan. No one got it, but the group right behind us won because they made a smaller wager. BH Born had 13 blocked shots in the 1953 national championship game. The ncaa doesn’t ‘officially’ recognize blocked shots before 1986, though. Artis Gilmore also had an 11-block tourney game broderickpresident : Welcome back to the Board ! Your more frequent input / contributions have been missed. Must be March Madness time of year once again. gymrat67 |
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 22, 2024 18:40:57 GMT -5
You also aren't being asked to donate your own money to pay those players in other sports. The owners do that. Free agency is fine, but don't have a bake sale with people already being asked to buy tickets and donate to an arena to then contribute to the collective. Yeah, to be honest I think this current system is trying to hold together two totally divergent ideas with dental floss. Players getting paid for their services and having freedom of movement like any other athlete or employee, but doing it without contracts and within the framework of Colleges and Universities. It's a 7-10 split to continue further mixing my metaphors. theneumann64 : I must concur. The toothpaste is already out of the tube IMO. Back in my ( dayhop ) student days on campus we were so poor that we had to make our own toothbrushes ... out of sassafras branches. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 22, 2024 19:01:07 GMT -5
Only a matter of time until these NIL deals have buyouts for kids transferring and/or require multi year commitments on both sides.
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 22, 2024 19:02:35 GMT -5
Half of those schools have a big check waiting for him. FGCU would be a great fit. I hope he comes back. I think he can be someone here. Dunk City |
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