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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 4, 2023 11:04:30 GMT -5
Lots of basketball to be played and chances to shuffle the NET ranking heading into the conference schedule. Right now the A10 is ranked 8th in NET which is the highest it's been to my recollection since NET rankings were introduced. Here's the NET breakdown: Team | NET Ranking | Dayton | 42 | George Mason | 62 | St. Joe's | 79 | Richmond | 85 | George Washington | 86 | Duquesne | 91 | UMass | 94 | Davidson | 121 | Loyola-Chicago | 125 | St. Bonaventure | 127 | VCU | 138 | La Salle | 181 | Fordham | 186 | Rhode Island | 192 | St. Louis | 258 |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 5, 2023 10:22:58 GMT -5
Opportunity for George Mason to make a NET leap tonight as they head to #17 Tennessee. Tennessee is coming off 3 straight Top 10 losses to Kansas, Purdue, and North Carolina. Spread is 15.5.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Dec 5, 2023 20:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 6, 2023 22:34:30 GMT -5
A10 took a few bad punches tonight: - Richmond falls to Northern Iowa (NET of 226) - Rhode Island falls to Brown at home (NET of 281) - UMass falls to Towson (NET of 289) - Fordham falls to NJIT at home (NET of 350)
VCU almost picked up a Quad 1 win against Memphis but fell short in overtime.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 7, 2023 6:37:59 GMT -5
Fordham and Rhode Island took big hits dropping to 223 and 240 in NET. A10 dropped from 8th to 9th and is 1-15 in Quad 1 games - St. Joe's with the conference's lone Quad 1 victory over Villanova.
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Post by giveansk1 on Dec 7, 2023 7:47:51 GMT -5
A10 took a few bad punches tonight: - Richmond falls to Northern Iowa (NET of 226) - Rhode Island falls to Brown at home (NET of 281) - UMass falls to Towson (NET of 289) - Fordham falls to NJIT at home (NET of 350) VCU almost picked up a Quad 1 win against Memphis but fell short in overtime. Man that is brutal. Looks like this is probably a one bid league again but still some time for someone to make a move.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 7, 2023 8:01:24 GMT -5
Nights like these are what make the A10 a one bid league, as well as the 18 game league schedule. It didn't happen 10 years ago.
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Post by giveansk1 on Dec 7, 2023 8:33:27 GMT -5
La Salle is now dead last on KenPom after last night. This is still a personnel deficient team, particularly on defense but coaching is making a big difference in close games. Playing closer games but still winning is dragging the team rating.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 7, 2023 8:45:45 GMT -5
St. Joe's has a chance to pick up another Quad 1 win at Princeton this weekend. I haven't looked at all the other schedules but I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Quad 1 chances left in the conference. Would be good for the conference if St. Joe's got the win.
A guy I graduated high school with, Rob Ellis (Bonner class of 89 shout out), was on the radio the other day saying he thinks St. Joe's makes the tournament this year if they stay healthy despite their one bad home loss.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 7, 2023 9:29:56 GMT -5
Some more food for thought around Quad 1 importance:
Conference record in Quad 1 games:
2021: 19-44 - 2 bids (St. Louis was a first 4 out with a 43 NET); 0-1 record in tourney due to VCU unable to play in a "no-contest" due to COVID
2022: 19-61 - 2 bids (Dayton was a first 4 out with a 58 NET); 1-2 record in the tourney
2023: 3-27 - 1 bid; 0-1 record in the tourney
2024: 1-15 (so far)
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 7, 2023 16:04:19 GMT -5
View AttachmentLa Salle is now dead last on KenPom after last night. This is still a personnel deficient team, particularly on defense but coaching is making a big difference in close games. Playing closer games but still winning is dragging the team rating. someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't kenpom and rpi are pretty much irrelevant anymore. neither is used by the selection committee to determine who makes the tournament. i'm pretty sure they haven't used pomeroy's numbers since 2020. i believe net is the only metric they're using. la salle's net was going down after last night's game regardless of the outcome. the only way it would not have gone down as much as it did was if they blew loyola out by a large margin. i can only imagine how much it would have gone down if they lost. as far as the game goes, i can't help but think that the temple and penn games had something to do with how they played. i was worried that coming off the 3ot game was going to affect them for the penn game but they played well which might have been a product of the adrenaline of getting to play in a pro arena in front of the bright lights. hopefully they get their legs back and can go into lafayette and exact some revenge for the beatdown they got last year.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 7, 2023 16:07:45 GMT -5
St. Joe's has a chance to pick up another Quad 1 win at Princeton this weekend. the game is at st joe's (pa). looking forward to watching that one.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 10, 2023 13:46:17 GMT -5
G doing an excellent job...as usual...as the commentator for the St. Joe's vs Princeton game.
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 10, 2023 15:12:13 GMT -5
Hawks win in a well played game until Princeton missed 4 straight free throws that lost them the game.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 10, 2023 15:12:58 GMT -5
Hawks win in a well played game until Princeton missed 4 straight free throws that lost them the game. seats behind the basket matter. Thats a nice quad 1 won for the conference.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Dec 10, 2023 15:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by glorydays on Dec 10, 2023 16:52:40 GMT -5
Non sequitur, but Bucknell beat Penn State last week. How the hell does that happen?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 10, 2023 18:20:44 GMT -5
Some more food for thought around Quad 1 importance: Conference record in Quad 1 games: 2021: 19-44 - 2 bids (St. Louis was a first 4 out with a 43 NET); 0-1 record in tourney due to VCU unable to play in a "no-contest" due to COVID 2022: 19-61 - 2 bids (Dayton was a first 4 out with a 58 NET); 1-2 record in the tourney 2023: 3-27 - 1 bid; 0-1 record in the tourney 2024: 1-15 (so far) So 3 years ago, we played 63 quad 1 games, this year, we've played 16 so far... makes sense.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 10, 2023 19:27:04 GMT -5
Non sequitur, but Bucknell beat Penn State last week. How the hell does that happen? penn state stinks
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Post by giveansk1 on Dec 10, 2023 19:39:43 GMT -5
So it looks like St. Joe’s is pretty good. That was a great game in a good atmosphere. Their gym looks so much better when it’s full and rocking, because other games it looks lame on TV. I doubt the win holds up as a Q1 by year end. NET is really wonky at the beginning and I doubt Princeton stays top 30.
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Post by glorydays on Dec 10, 2023 20:29:46 GMT -5
Non sequitur, but Bucknell beat Penn State last week. How the hell does that happen? penn state stinks Maybe Penn State stinks…they did beat an 8-1 Ohio State team yesterday…crazy…
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Post by explorerman on Dec 10, 2023 21:49:31 GMT -5
So it looks like St. Joe’s is pretty good. That was a great game in a good atmosphere. Their gym looks so much better when it’s full and rocking, because other games it looks lame on TV. I doubt the win holds up as a Q1 by year end. NET is really wonky at the beginning and I doubt Princeton stays top 30. Agree def is wonky
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Post by glorydays on Dec 10, 2023 22:22:55 GMT -5
Maybe Penn State stinks…they did beat an 8-1 Ohio State team yesterday…crazy… Hens won at X last week, too. Gotta text from my ex bragging on her Hens. (It never ends).
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 11, 2023 9:06:55 GMT -5
So 3 years ago, we played 63 quad 1 games, this year, we've played 16 so far... makes sense. 2-20 now in Quad 1 games. St. Joe's with both wins. I think the 63 a couple of years ago came because we had a few more teams in top 75 NET, so every home game they had counted as a Quad 1 game for their opponent. Same will happen this year if the top keeps winning. The Bonnies somehow made a huge NET leap this week - from 127 to 71 . They blew out Niagara (NET 317) and Siena (NET 362) by 30+ points each. I guess margin of victory factors in quite a bit.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 11, 2023 9:18:05 GMT -5
Maybe Penn State stinks…they did beat an 8-1 Ohio State team yesterday…crazy… Hens won at X last week, too. Gotta text from my ex bragging on her Hens. (It never ends). i watched the second half of that game. really entertaining game. delaware played well, was able to hold on down the stretch despite the best efforts of the refs. christian ray looked good. seeing x lose always brings me enjoyment. if delaware plays like that the rest of the season, they have a legitimate shot to win the caa on their way out the door. still can't believe they're moving to cusa.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 11, 2023 9:28:34 GMT -5
So 3 years ago, we played 63 quad 1 games, this year, we've played 16 so far... makes sense. 2-20 now in Quad 1 games. St. Joe's with both wins. I think the 63 a couple of years ago came because we had a few more teams in top 75 NET, so every home game they had counted as a Quad 1 game for their opponent. Same will happen this year if the top keeps winning. The Bonnies somehow made a huge NET leap this week - from 127 to 71 . They blew out Niagara (NET 317) and Siena (NET 362) by 30+ points each. I guess margin of victory factors in quite a bit. la salle jumped from 180 to 173 with their win over lafayette (who moved up to 338 from 340). i had assumed la salle's net was going to go down but it appears the margin of victory along with winning on the road impacted the improvement. personally, i think net is a scam and it's geared towards helping the p5 schools. blowout wins at home against the low-mid major programs they give buy games to actually help their net which is a joke. just read an interesting article that st joe's (pa) is not giving princeton a return game next year. pussies.
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Post by 23won on Dec 11, 2023 10:04:18 GMT -5
Hens won at X last week, too. Gotta text from my ex bragging on her Hens. (It never ends). i watched the second half of that game. really entertaining game. delaware played well, was able to hold on down the stretch despite the best efforts of the refs. christian ray looked good. seeing x lose always brings me enjoyment. if delaware plays like that the rest of the season, they have a legitimate shot to win the caa on their way out the door. still can't believe they're moving to cusa. CUSA move is all about football. Trying to be JMU.2
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 11, 2023 10:24:08 GMT -5
i watched the second half of that game. really entertaining game. delaware played well, was able to hold on down the stretch despite the best efforts of the refs. christian ray looked good. seeing x lose always brings me enjoyment. if delaware plays like that the rest of the season, they have a legitimate shot to win the caa on their way out the door. still can't believe they're moving to cusa. CUSA move is all about football. Trying to be JMU.2 i know it's about football. they're moving from fcs to fbs. when the p4 schools split off, delaware will be left behind like everyone else. there will be no huge tv contracts to subsidize the move and there will be significant added expenses (as many as 22 more football scholarships to give, adding more women's scholarships to stay title ix compliant, and travel costs for their non-revenue sports). i'm sure there are others i'm missing. all this to play in a shitty conference and maybe get into a shitty bowl game.
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Post by glorydays on Dec 11, 2023 11:34:48 GMT -5
2-20 now in Quad 1 games. St. Joe's with both wins. I think the 63 a couple of years ago came because we had a few more teams in top 75 NET, so every home game they had counted as a Quad 1 game for their opponent. Same will happen this year if the top keeps winning. The Bonnies somehow made a huge NET leap this week - from 127 to 71 . They blew out Niagara (NET 317) and Siena (NET 362) by 30+ points each. I guess margin of victory factors in quite a bit. la salle jumped from 180 to 173 with their win over lafayette (who moved up to 338 from 340). i had assumed la salle's net was going to go down but it appears the margin of victory along with winning on the road impacted the improvement. personally, i think net is a scam and it's geared towards helping the p5 schools. blowout wins at home against the low-mid major programs they give buy games to actually help their net which is a joke. just read an interesting article that st joe's (pa) is not giving princeton a return game next year. pussies. Sorry to take this thread sideways and yes in this case St. Joe's is being pusillanimous. I know that is what you meant.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 15, 2023 13:23:52 GMT -5
Both St. Joe's (NET 61) and Dayton (NET 44) received single votes in the AP Top 25 polls this week. St. Joe's has a fairly easy schedule the rest of OOC with Charleston (NET 124) being their toughest opponent. Dayton has Cincinnati (NET 25) and Longwood (NET 76) as their toughest and could potentially move up a bit with good wins.
The conference has moved from having 2 in the Top 75 back on December 4th to 5 in the Top 75 now. Top 75 makes you a Quad 1 road opponent.
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