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Post by vasalos on Feb 22, 2013 6:51:46 GMT -5
Before we get to St. Louis lets focus on URI. They play very tough at home and have given teams fits. Win the next three and get one A10 conference win and then expect to see the ESPN cameras in the Tom Gola arena Selection Sunday to announce our bid.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 22, 2013 7:47:58 GMT -5
No answers for last night. Take nothing good from the loss. Turn the page. Burn the tape.
We got killed because the game was played "small". Scootie and RHJ were much bigger and more physical. Bad match up. Should have listened to Temple friend who said that Temple matches up well with us if we play four guards.
Read Phil Sheridan's column this morning. I take issue with his comment that Garland and Galloway were trying to play to TV. I saw missed layups and close shots especially by Garland in the first half.
There were AT LEAST 1000 empty seats in the upper deck. No way was that game a sellout.
Security watched La Salle student section like a hawk. Security for Temple students were behind them on an upper level. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 8:14:47 GMT -5
We lost for 2 reasons-mental block w TU-they r good but we make them look better and it just wasnt our nite.BTW- why wasnt band there Fightg song would have helped. Too, why wasnt our Cheerleading squad aloed to cheer during alternating time outs. Their squad should not be allowed on floor next year at Gola. Our band is required to use the student allotment so they only tend to go if there are tickets remaining. The sellout angle is interesting. Can only think that they hold tickets for sponsors and season holders who don't show up and don't know how to make abuck on stub hubs electronic system. |
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 22, 2013 8:30:54 GMT -5
The band has to be there. More on this later. off to court
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 8:34:55 GMT -5
The band is treated like
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 8:36:03 GMT -5
The band is treated like fodder at the Loo. If that distracts the fans from heckling the players then I can live with it but more likely it fuels them.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Feb 22, 2013 9:03:02 GMT -5
Disagree we have a shot. It's a bad loss. This was a big 5 battle. Need to pick up the pieces and move forward. We aren't a great team, but we are tough and on any given night we can beat st Louis. I will say it again....no shot. Are you saying that because of one loss at Temple or is this something you would of said even if we had won last night? |
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Post by cpico on Feb 22, 2013 9:17:48 GMT -5
I will say it again....no shot. Are you saying that because of one loss at Temple or is this something you would of said even if we had won last night? Regardless of the result last night, St. Louis would be a very difficult game to win - and even more so at St. Louis. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 9:41:23 GMT -5
It was also said we have a 1% chance to win at VCU. I think, realistically, we still have a good 33% chance to win at St Louis, using real data, and I also thought we had a 40% chance to win last night.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 22, 2013 9:52:25 GMT -5
We matched up well with VCU because we can break the press.... STL is a different story.. They have a 4 and 5 that can pick and pop.. Wright and Zack both struggle in the perimeter.. Wright struggles with the getting out to hedge, let alone reach out to the screener...
I would like to see La Salle press.. I do not know why G doesn't.. We have guards and athletic ones that read the game very well.. We have 2 guards in the top 10 in steals per game yet we do not press at all... Please do not call last night "pressing", it wasn't... Putting pressure on the inbounds pass, only to back off.. that is not pressure...
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Post by goexplorers on Feb 22, 2013 10:16:57 GMT -5
Reading through this thread for the first time this morning. I'm shocked that no one brought up the fact that Jerrell was puking his guts up during the first half. He had his head buried in the trashcan next to the bench during the 18-0 run. Then he got back into the game and short-armed a lefty hook and that was it. He played 13 minutes, not because Rohan is a better option, but because he was throwing up.
Am I the only one that saw that? It went on for several minutes.
Certainly isn't why we lost, but it didn't help that you get slammed on the boards while your best rebounder is throwing up on the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 10:22:13 GMT -5
Reading through this thread for the first time this morning. I'm shocked that no one brought up the fact that Jerrell was puking his guts up during the first half. He had his head buried in the trashcan next to the bench during the 18-0 run. Then he got back into the game and short-armed a lefty hook and that was it. He played 13 minutes, not because Rohan is a better option, but because he was throwing up. Am I the only one that saw that? It went on for several minutes. Certainly isn't why we lost, but it didn't help that you get slammed on the boards while your best rebounder is throwing up on the bench. It was G's fault (says the apologist). |
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Post by goexplorers on Feb 22, 2013 10:46:30 GMT -5
He did play Duren a lot with the 2 fouls as well. We simply got manhandled on the boards...that's why we lost...plain and simple. We lost the rebounding battle 41-24, and TU had 15 offensive boards...7 from RHJ alone. He's a scrappy dude who I'd take on my team 8 days a week.
We only had 6 TOs, which surprised me. But we only had 2 assists at halftime, none from Ramon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 11:11:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction goexplorers. I wasn't there and assumed from radio that we needed more time of Duren.
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Post by mikesmd77 on Feb 22, 2013 11:22:40 GMT -5
I don't think Ramon tried to play to the TV, but I do think he got a little too amped to outdo Wyatt. We got beat. It was tough to be there. But I have a feeling we'll avenge this one in Brooklyn. Its one game... and we'll bounce back. The wheels didn't fall off... We're still in good position. Lick our wounds, and beat URI.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 11:25:09 GMT -5
No answers for last night. Take nothing good from the loss. Turn the page. Burn the tape. We got killed because the game was played "small". Scootie and RHJ were much bigger and more physical. Bad match up. Should have listened to Temple friend who said that Temple matches up well with us if we play four guards. Read Phil Sheridan's column this morning. I take issue with his comment that Garland and Galloway were trying to play to TV. I saw missed layups and close shots especially by Garland in the first half. There were AT LEAST 1000 empty seats in the upper deck. No way was that game a sellout. Security watched La Salle student section like a hawk. Security for Temple students were behind them on an upper level. Interesting. Kudos to the Temple basketball team, particularly Hollis-Jefferson and Wyatt. They have both been a thorn in La Salle's side and I won't be sad to see them go. It's a shame Jerrell was sick because he may have had some success keeping Jefferson off the offensive boards which kept La Salle from getting back in the game. And Wyatt just makes plays to help his team win. I can't believe they only credited him with 4 assists. It seemed like he got his teammates a lot more easy baskets than that. After seeing him play in high school a couple times, I never thought he was going to be more than an average college player but he proved me wrong. I'm not a fan of a lot of the acting he does, but I give credit because it works. He sold the ref on that second foul by Tyreek who still hasn't touched him. And once he turns the corner on you, forget about stopping him. He just uses his body to perfection shielding people off and either scoring or finding an open man. He is just very hard to guard. As disappointed as I am in the loss, La Salle still has a good shot to get a top 4 A10 finish and the first round bye that goes along with it. The next three games always were "must" wins if they want to make the NCAA tournament and if the team bounces back and wins them, they go into the SLU game with an 11-4 conference record. SLU will be very hard to beat but La Salle was within a few points of them in the last couple of minutes of both losses to them last year and weren't able to pull it out. If they can keep it close again this year, maybe they can steal it at the end. Even if they don't, you would think 11-5 will be enough to get one of the top 4 spots. Also, last night's loss only dropped the RPI two spots to 37 so it was not a killer in that regard. A top four finish and a quarterfinal A10 tournament win should be enough to get them an at-large, but hopefully they can do better than that. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 22, 2013 12:51:27 GMT -5
Not to sound like the math nerd that I can sometimes be, but 11-5 in the league almost guarantees we will finish 3rd in the conference. Looking at the remainign schedule and the fact that XU, Butler, VCU and SLU all play each other these last 4 games it means everyone is going to rack up some losses along the way. Most likely order of finish appears to be
SLU 12-4 9-2 right now, losses to @ Butler and @ XU most likely coming
VCU 12-4 9-3 right now, almost guaranteed to lose 1 of XU, Butler, TU games
LSU 11-5 (tiebreak) 8-4 right now, win the enxt 3, lose @ SLU
BUT 11-5 9-3 right now, we need them to lose either @ VCU or @ UMass (don't want any more wins for XU)
XU 10-6 8-4 right now w/ 3 games against Butler, VCU and SLU, 2 losses most likely coming ideal combo for us is losing 1 to Butler in the revenge game and I think that happens.
Then a bunch of 9-7 teams roll together, no idea how that will play out but it seems likely we are going to get a rematch with one of the league losses in our first game. It's going to be humongous.
I'm not sure if it would be ok to go 11-5 and finish 5th and get an opportunity to play a St Bonnies or some other team to get the extra win in the books before playing whoever gets the 4th place tie breaker or if we want to just get the bye and need 1 win to get to the Semis...basically is it going to be better to finish higher and make it harder to get another win or finish lower and get an easier draw for a win to essentially pad the stats. 22-9 against a marginally easier schedule is better than 21-9 with a loss against another top 50 opponent.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 22, 2013 13:00:21 GMT -5
No answers for last night. Take nothing good from the loss. Turn the page. Burn the tape. We got killed because the game was played "small". Scootie and RHJ were much bigger and more physical. Bad match up. Should have listened to Temple friend who said that Temple matches up well with us if we play four guards. Read Phil Sheridan's column this morning. I take issue with his comment that Garland and Galloway were trying to play to TV. I saw missed layups and close shots especially by Garland in the first half. There were AT LEAST 1000 empty seats in the upper deck. No way was that game a sellout. Security watched La Salle student section like a hawk. Security for Temple students were behind them on an upper level. Interesting. Kudos to the Temple basketball team, particularly Hollis-Jefferson and Wyatt. They have both been a thorn in La Salle's side and I won't be sad to see them go. It's a shame Jerrell was sick because he may have had some success keeping Jefferson off the offensive boards which kept La Salle from getting back in the game. And Wyatt just makes plays to help his team win. I can't believe they only credited him with 4 assists. It seemed like he got his teammates a lot more easy baskets than that. After seeing him play in high school a couple times, I never thought he was going to be more than an average college player but he proved me wrong. I'm not a fan of a lot of the acting he does, but I give credit because it works. He sold the ref on that second foul by Tyreek who still hasn't touched him. And once he turns the corner on you, forget about stopping him. He just uses his body to perfection shielding people off and either scoring or finding an open man. He is just very hard to guard. As disappointed as I am in the loss, La Salle still has a good shot to get a top 4 A10 finish and the first round bye that goes along with it. The next three games always were "must" wins if they want to make the NCAA tournament and if the team bounces back and wins them, they go into the SLU game with an 11-4 conference record. SLU will be very hard to beat but La Salle was within a few points of them in the last couple of minutes of both losses to them last year and weren't able to pull it out. If they can keep it close again this year, maybe they can steal it at the end. Even if they don't, you would think 11-5 will be enough to get one of the top 4 spots. Also, last night's loss only dropped the RPI two spots to 37 so it was not a killer in that regard. A top four finish and a quarterfinal A10 tournament win should be enough to get them an at-large, but hopefully they can do better than that. As for the sickness, we need to grind out a win at URI and then get everyone healthy. That stomach bug is going around something fierce and it's BRUTAL. I can't imagine being Tyreek @ SBU or Wright last night trying to play through it. It comes on fast and goes fast but when you have it, it's awful. It's not an excuse but certainly helps explain some of the struggles and the lineup. I was thinking this morning that when they got it to 8 or 9 a couple times, why not then go to the original lineup and try to steal it the last 5 minutes. Get the bigs back in so you can get stops on defense that they couldn't get. This makes more sense now. Now it's time to forget this and move on. Plenty of opportunities to win games. 3 must win game sremain and then another opportunity for a big road win. relax, the dream is alive and well still. |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 22, 2013 13:22:38 GMT -5
I will say it again....no shot. Are you saying that because of one loss at Temple or is this something you would of said even if we had won last night? I have always thought this. Bad match-up for us much like some other teams that have beaten us. |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 22, 2013 13:30:47 GMT -5
My problem with Sheridan, another guy that probably saw La Salle for the first time all year last night, was these two comments -
"For La Salle, this is all still novel: national television, a chance to punch its ticket to the tournament with a tough road win."
Really? They won on national TV at VCU, played at Miami on TV and played at Pitt last year and at Baylor the year before.
"While La Salle blinked a bit in this new environment ... "
Again, this isn't new. They do play at Temple every other year, at least.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 22, 2013 15:26:35 GMT -5
My problem with Sheridan, another guy that probably saw La Salle for the first time all year last night, was these two comments - "For La Salle, this is all still novel: national television, a chance to punch its ticket to the tournament with a tough road win." Really? They won on national TV at VCU, played at Miami on TV and played at Pitt last year and at Baylor the year before. "While La Salle blinked a bit in this new environment ... " Again, this isn't new. They do play at Temple every other year, at least. Excellent. I agree 100%. |
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Post by 23won on Feb 22, 2013 16:00:22 GMT -5
Reading through this thread for the first time this morning. I'm shocked that no one brought up the fact that Jerrell was puking his guts up during the first half. He had his head buried in the trashcan next to the bench during the 18-0 run. Then he got back into the game and short-armed a lefty hook and that was it. He played 13 minutes, not because Rohan is a better option, but because he was throwing up. Am I the only one that saw that? I sat across from the bench but didn't see it, but honestly I was transfixed by G's crazy machinations most of the night and didn't focus on JW and Pappy's end of the bench. If this is the case with Jerrell, I feel better that there was SOME reason for JW's 13 minutes. Subbing Brown and Dunn were not the answers for the rebounding problems we had because G intentionally gave up height all night. Furthermore, you don't need 5 guards to press; you can use 1-2 bigs if you apply the pressure correctly-- problem is they weren't applying the right pressure. Our bigs had like 30 minutes while theirs had 90+. Add to that problem DJ (with some swingman height) fouled out early. This is why RHJ had a career night (on top of last year's previous career night at the LC), Scootie had his best game of the year and O'B had a very efficient game. We also had problems with Cummings and Wyatt beating Ty and Sam off the dribble most of the night and then finishing or dishing to an open cutter or shooter, all of which we had trouble doing on the offensive end. Flush it, but learn from it. We cannot give up on the height front, bench our best players (Ty) and then resort to one on one play. When those things happen against a good team (Miami, Mass, Temple), we lose. if we don't fix it before St Lou, that will be an ugly way to head into Brooklyn. |
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 22, 2013 20:11:59 GMT -5
DJ and RB are NOT BIGS. They r not bangers, although RB looks like he was chisled from stone.
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Post by lasalle89 on Feb 22, 2013 22:52:41 GMT -5
Have to admit Temples opening video was awesome they play the music loud in there. I was in the top row behind the basket so I don't know if that had anything to do with it. I was surprised how loud there students were. They had a nice home court advantage. Dunphy laid out the blue print to beat us. Challenge us on the perimeter and let us try to beat them on the inside. We know that ain't happening. Did not know a out Jerrel. When he had our first 4 points I thought he is going to own this guy tonight then that was it. We missed a ton of close lay ups. We have got to rebound better and this includes team rebounds. How many times didnt we box out and not get the missed free throw
Anyway I do hope we play well down the stretch. I would like to see us do some damage in the A10 tourny
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 23, 2013 1:31:52 GMT -5
Re:Our Band. No excuse for Band not to be there. Must find way to get/buy them tix. This game was not played in Oklahoma-it was right down the street. Should not have missed out on Fight Song. Very inspirational. Too, cheer squads usually share timeouts and the bands share too. Without our band, the damn Temple tubas just kept blaring and our cheerleaders had to stand off baseline and BEHIND Temple dancers. Not right.We would not have treated TU like that at GOLA.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 23, 2013 9:24:26 GMT -5
Screamer, if Temple said our band was not welcome (I have no way of knowing if this is true or not), then it's not on La Salle. Even if they bought them tickets, you can't just show up to a game as a fan with a trombone.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 23, 2013 10:28:35 GMT -5
Screamer, if Temple said our band was not welcome (I have no way of knowing if this is true or not), then it's not on La Salle. Even if they bought them tickets, you can't just show up to a game as a fan with a trombone. I might try that some time and see what happens, they would be funny to see a random guy in the crowd playing a tuba or something Any time Duren is in foul trouble and has to sit out our team is like an unsupervised class of 5th graders and they start doing good stuff like playing 1-on-1 all the time. The first 7 or 8 minutes made me think we were going to pull out a 4 or 5 point, back and forth kind if win. Duren's absence got the whole team out of rhythm on both ends. He may not scream and shout like Galloway but the team follows Duren. Other games like Charlotte, Miami and XU were games where Duren didn't DEMAND the ball to start the offense and we know how those games went. The one consistency of this team all year is that as soon as it plays one if these kinds of games it learns quickly and comes back down to earth and back to basics. I expect te game tomorrow to be much like the GW game in terms if energy and focus. I then expect us to blow the doors off Duquesne and play a solid game against GW... Then the spotlight will be right back on them and we will see what they've got at SLU. It's a blessing and a curse that SLU won last night. A blessing bc it makes it more likely we can finish tied with Butler, a curse because it hurts Butlers RPI and may take away our lone top 25 win. That makes a win at SLU even bigger, though not likely but we will see. We know this team can get red hot for extended stretches like the 4 games before Temple so we shall see what happens. Who knows, maybe they get on one of those runs in BRKLN |
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 23, 2013 17:50:26 GMT -5
Have to agree Hoops, Tyreek brings some special skills to our guard core. A good point is hard to come by for sure!
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 23, 2013 19:35:01 GMT -5
If our band was not welcome, we have to reciprocate.If they were welcome, have to get them tix. And why were"nt our cheerleaders given an appropriate place to stand and CHEER
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