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Post by festushagan on Dec 14, 2021 8:51:47 GMT -5
Delayed abit getting into Gola and missed the National Anthem and how Penn presented themselves, very sad! This aside, both teams put on quite a show and thanks to ticket office (Brandon) for floor seats!
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Post by hykos1045 on Dec 14, 2021 10:43:14 GMT -5
Delayed abit getting into Gola and missed the National Anthem and how Penn presented themselves, very sad! This aside, both teams put on quite a show and thanks to ticket office (Brandon) for floor seats! Feeling a certain way about the flag is obviously very personal to you. But I assure you, the flag's feelings were never hurt by their presentation. If you even had been on time and had to witness it, you might have even seen how much it mattered, or didn't, to people including you who claim to value the pomp and circumstance (but not enough to be there, apparently). What's sad is that you prioritize the value of a performance of patriotism over human lives, and that you want to tell other people how to be seen and you weren't even there! Anyway, who really cares what we think about their presentation? It's their basketball team, not ours. And it was never even about the flag, nor the soldiers!
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Post by 23won on Dec 14, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5
You can diss the flag but never, and I repeat never, diss the smoke machine.
Some things remain sacred and if media or social media lauds it, it must be defended at al costs and revered. We do not tolerate smoke machine insurrectionists in this country.
By extension, you can attack peace officers, burn down police departments, disrespect veterans and our flag, engage in felony looting, carjack and hurt innocent people, and steal Rolex watches at gunpoint from a groom on his wedding day, and as long as it's for "social justice" or "equity" it's totally fine. Just don't eat a sacred cow that is revered by the media or social media; that is a mortal sin for which there will be serious ramifications.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Dec 14, 2021 15:11:44 GMT -5
LOL, How about those Explorers!
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Post by glorydays on Dec 14, 2021 20:50:46 GMT -5
Thank you, 23. I needed that.
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Post by sweat83 on Dec 15, 2021 5:39:48 GMT -5
You can diss the flag but never, and I repeat never, diss the smoke machine. Some things remain sacred and if media or social media lauds it, it must be defended at al costs and revered. We do not tolerate smoke machine insurrectionists in this country. By extension, you can attack peace officers, burn down police departments, disrespect veterans and our flag, engage in felony looting, carjack and hurt innocent people, and steal Rolex watches at gunpoint from a groom on his wedding day, and as long as it's for "social justice" or "equity" it's totally fine. Just don't eat a sacred cow that is revered by the media or social media; that is a mortal sin for which there will be serious ramifications. Michelle Tafoya come to mind? Is welcomed on a show, voices her opinion, loses job. America 2021. Gotta love it.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Dec 15, 2021 8:16:16 GMT -5
Thank you, 23. I needed that. LOL,it does look like you got what you wanted.
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Post by 23won on Dec 15, 2021 11:45:06 GMT -5
You can diss the flag but never, and I repeat never, diss the smoke machine. Some things remain sacred and if media or social media lauds it, it must be defended at al costs and revered. We do not tolerate smoke machine insurrectionists in this country. By extension, you can attack peace officers, burn down police departments, disrespect veterans and our flag, engage in felony looting, carjack and hurt innocent people, and steal Rolex watches at gunpoint from a groom on his wedding day, and as long as it's for "social justice" or "equity" it's totally fine. Just don't eat a sacred cow that is revered by the media or social media; that is a mortal sin for which there will be serious ramifications. Michelle Tafoya come to mind? Is welcomed on a show, voices her opinion, loses job. America 2021. Gotta love it. In 2021, if you don't goosestep in lock step behind your media-fuhrer/employer, you must go.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 15, 2021 16:02:28 GMT -5
You can diss the flag but never, and I repeat never, diss the smoke machine. Some things remain sacred and if media or social media lauds it, it must be defended at al costs and revered. We do not tolerate smoke machine insurrectionists in this country. By extension, you can attack peace officers, burn down police departments, disrespect veterans and our flag, engage in felony looting, carjack and hurt innocent people, and steal Rolex watches at gunpoint from a groom on his wedding day, and as long as it's for "social justice" or "equity" it's totally fine. Just don't eat a sacred cow that is revered by the media or social media; that is a mortal sin for which there will be serious ramifications. It's funny, but this sounds eerily like an event that occurred on Jan. 6, 2021. You might remember that. Hundreds of insurrectionists stormed the capitol, killed a peace officer, desecrated the Congressional building, committed multiple felonies, planted pipe bombs around Washington DC and then some media outlets denied what it was and lauded them as patriots, while all of the time they were texting Mark Meadows and asking him to get the then Commander in Chief to call off his dogs. Tell me, which was the more serious threat to our democracy? A mob trying to overturn a free and fair election or largely peaceful protests against multiple heinous murders by police officers? Did those protesters kill any police officers? I can't believe I even have to state all of this.
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 15, 2021 17:30:20 GMT -5
Ghost of Ashli Babbit.
Burn down the cities. Kill and injure police and everyone else that stands in the way. The mob is just and everyone else is wrong.
Let's stop counting votes overnight. Count dead people. Let non-citizens vote and dilute the vote of true citizens. Free and fair my ass.
Democrat party is vile and despicable now. Republican Party is weak. The government spies on it's people and steals from it's people. 10% of the population is trying to make the rules for the other 90%.
Only the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by kinesiology on Dec 15, 2021 20:01:38 GMT -5
Wish all of you people that say this had the same kind of energy when Tamil Rice was shot. And he wasn’t infiltrating a government building. He was just a kid playing in a park. I wish you people cared about the hundreds of kids shot and killed by inner city gang violence in the years since Tamil Rice rather than focus on a split second decision by an overworked cop after seeing what appeared to be a gun.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 15, 2021 20:40:37 GMT -5
Wish all of you people that say this had the same kind of energy when Tamil Rice was shot. And he wasn’t infiltrating a government building. He was just a kid playing in a park. I wish you people cared about the hundreds of kids shot and killed by inner city gang violence in the years since Tamil Rice rather than focus on a split second decision by an overworked cop after seeing what appeared to be a gun. I'm looking for the person in this thread that said they don't care about inner city kids getting shot. Funny, I can't find that statement you're alluding to. And I could be wrong, but I couldn't find the article that said that the cop was overworked at the point in time that he shot Tamir Rice. What I did find was an article that said the cop had resigned from his last job as a police officer, when he was "deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty, especially in his handling of firearms." So there's that. Oh, and it's not mutually exclusive to be concerned about Tamir Rice AND care about the hundreds of kids shot and killed, right?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 15, 2021 21:29:22 GMT -5
Ok I apologize for hopping in. Deleting my post. Will lock the thread if it continues down this route.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Dec 15, 2021 21:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 15, 2021 21:54:47 GMT -5
So how about that Penn game? Bunch of nerds, Eh?
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Post by 23won on Dec 15, 2021 21:56:25 GMT -5
Ok I apologize for hopping in. Deleting my post. Will lock the thread if it continues down this route. Just like the mainstream media. Suppress free speech if you make a solid case and the left has nothing to reason back with. No logical response then just lie or have the media mob or mods shut it down. Just like dingus Biden. If I counter the pissant latest peashooter posts I get shut down Ok we get it.
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Post by kinesiology on Dec 15, 2021 22:05:29 GMT -5
Ok I apologize for hopping in. Deleting my post. Will lock the thread if it continues down this route. Shut it down. Everyone on here knew it was coming after you got your “you people” two cents in
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Post by calsufan on Dec 15, 2021 22:05:40 GMT -5
Ok I apologize for hopping in. Deleting my post. Will lock the thread if it continues down this route. Just like the mainstream media. Suppress free speech if you make a solid case and the left has nothing to reason back with. No logical response then just lie or have the media mob or mods shut it down. Just like dingus Biden. If I counter the pissant latest peashooter posts I get shut down Ok we get it. I'm waiting for the solid case.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Dec 16, 2021 7:07:53 GMT -5
So how about that Penn game? Bunch of nerds, Eh? Undoubtedly, people feel strongly, and it is a slippery slope, takes a tiny shove at times, but political discussion on a basketball board can really stink up the place.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 16, 2021 9:23:30 GMT -5
This flag thing is the least of Penn's Athletic Department issues. They have a member of the women's swimming team who competed on the men's team for 3 years before deciding to become a woman, and now is on the women's team and breaking women's records in the pool (shattering them by ridiculous times). Members of the women's team are anonymously speaking out against it but fear that anything they say could jeopardize future employment opportunities, so they go along with what they perceive as unfair.
That's a lot more complex to navigate than the flag..and the real tragedy is...it's bad for women's sports...especially if the women on the team feel too scared to even offer their opinion on the matter. A lot of Penn's women's records will now belong to someone who competed on their men's team for 3 years.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 16, 2021 10:55:55 GMT -5
This is a tricky situation where my beliefs are muddied, but there is fact you left out which is that Lia Thomas has been taking testosterone suppression drugs for over a year and her testosterone is regulated and monitored. That is not a silver bullet, but it is important to mention. She didn't just go to a different practice one day.
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Post by 1801olney on Dec 16, 2021 11:21:18 GMT -5
Was average as a male, breaking womens records. Total bullshit. What happened to following the science?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 16, 2021 11:27:01 GMT -5
This is a tricky situation where my beliefs are muddied, but there is fact you left out which is that Lia Thomas has been taking testosterone suppression drugs for over a year and her testosterone is regulated and monitored. That is not a silver bullet, but it is important to mention. She didn't just go to a different practice one day. Yes. The individual announced it in 2019. No sports happened last year in Ivies, so could show up this year as a female after the mandatory 1 year of testosterone suppression drugs...and won the 1650 free by more than 35 seconds over a teammate, breaking Penn's prior record by 10 seconds. I'm sure this is comforting to Lia's teammates and competitors that they are getting smoked in the pool by someone who finished 2nd overall in the same event at the 2019 Ivy Championships for the Men and to the previous Penn Women's swimming record holders who are seeing their accomplishments erased by big margins. Why are your beliefs muddled? If your daughter was the #1 runner at a distance for La Salle and someone who competed at a high level on the men's team showed up to now take her spot, would your beliefs still be muddled?
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 16, 2021 13:52:18 GMT -5
This is a tricky situation where my beliefs are muddied, but there is fact you left out which is that Lia Thomas has been taking testosterone suppression drugs for over a year and her testosterone is regulated and monitored. That is not a silver bullet, but it is important to mention. She didn't just go to a different practice one day. It's rather easy to follow the science on this one. "She" was afforded the advantage of many teenage years of testosterone and male hormones, thus developing stronger bones and muscle, and a different skeletal structure than women do. Different hip and pelvis size and proportion. Larger, and more powerful calf muscles; Stronger shoulder, pectorals and back muscles. Better lung capacity. None of that completely fades away just because a guy decides to be placed on hormone blockers. This individual will also not have to deal with the aggravation of a menstrual cycle, and the bleeding that may come with it, potentially causing anemia at times for some women. He also continues to have the same male chromosomes he has always had, and these continue to affect his health in advantageous ways. What's next, a 25 year old guy identifying as a 16 year old and beating up on high school kids? Humans entering a canine agility show?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 16, 2021 14:59:38 GMT -5
I guess my question is should someone assigned male at birth be relegated to male sports forever? Is there an age where a distinction can be made? What about women with abnormally high testosterone (Caster Semenya, for example). She was probably biologically closer to a male genetic makeup than female but had female anatomy and was assigned female at birth. Should she be forbidden?
And the last paragraph above is garbage and belittles the actual trans people involved here. Come on.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 16, 2021 15:13:56 GMT -5
Since we're covering all of these life altering issues, that no doubt we'll solve right here, right now; what's everyone's thoughts on Bronies?
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 16, 2021 15:46:11 GMT -5
I guess my question is should someone assigned male at birth be relegated to male sports forever? Is there an age where a distinction can be made? What about women with abnormally high testosterone (Caster Semenya, for example). She was probably biologically closer to a male genetic makeup than female but had female anatomy and was assigned female at birth. Should she be forbidden? And the last paragraph above is garbage and belittles the actual trans people involved here. Come on. There is no age where there won't be distinct physiologic advantages for a male over a female in almost all sporting competition. Try not to focus on the testosterone, or hormones as the only thing that distinguishes a male from a female. The physiologic differences I cited above were far from comprehensive. Females, for example, also have lower oxygen carrying capacity. Men also likely clear lactic acid more efficiently. And the last paragraph isn't garbage. It's just a bit further down this very slippery slope. If a 35year old "feels" older, because they have rheumatoid arthritis, and says they identify as a 55 year old because thats really how they feel most days, then why shouldn't they compete on the Senior golf tour, or in the Master classification of the marathon? Just because I might "identify" as female, dress differently, and take hormones, my males chromosomes remain the same, and so do many of the physical advantages I have over most, or perhaps all females. Finally, no one is "assigned" male at birth. You either are, or are not, male at birth, with very rare genetic exceptions. Males will always have a risk for testicular cancer, unless they are castrated. Males will always have a higher risk for prostate cancer, unless they have a prostatectomy. Someone born male will never deliver a baby. Males have much lower risk for breast cancer. Males will tolerate some medications differently than females....and on and on....
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 16, 2021 16:30:25 GMT -5
I guess my question is should someone assigned male at birth be relegated to male sports forever? Is there an age where a distinction can be made? What about women with abnormally high testosterone (Caster Semenya, for example). She was probably biologically closer to a male genetic makeup than female but had female anatomy and was assigned female at birth. Should she be forbidden? And the last paragraph above is garbage and belittles the actual trans people involved here. Come on. And the last paragraph isn't garbage. It's just a bit further down this very slippery slope. If a 35year old "feels" older, because they have rheumatoid arthritis, and says they identify as a 55 year old because thats really how they feel most days, then why shouldn't they compete on the Senior golf tour, or in the Master classification of the marathon? I'm not going to debate you on the other stuff because we will get into gender vs sex. You are correct regarding the biological differences between the sexes, but it is spectrum...not binary. The quoted section above is garbage. Fine me one example of something along those lines. Kind of talk reminds me of the "Well if a man can marry a man, why can't a man marry a horse" crap from a decade or two ago.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 16, 2021 16:42:18 GMT -5
This is a tricky situation where my beliefs are muddied, Come on Joe. How is this particular situation a "tricky situation." I'm not talking generalities or the athlete you cited with the 46 XY DSD Syndrome, but THIS particular situation where THIS swimmer now holds multiple records at Penn for female swimmers, and is currently ranked 1st in the NCAA for the season in at least 2 events. The individual's time competing for the men's team in the 1650 was faster than Katie Ledecky's world record - the most decorated female swimmer in history...and he didn't even qualify for NCAA's. But now competing for the women's team, this individual holds Penn's record. I think the tricky part of this is that you objectively know this is ridiculous and unfair and can even set back women's sports, but by admitting it, you are forced to abandon your tribal politics and say, "We've gone too far with this PC nonsense". If we are moving to a non-binary gender society, why have any classification for women or men...just make everything co-ed and the best athletes make the teams? Or...we continue as is, and someone who came in second in the Men's Ivy League Championships a few years ago can be first now in the Women's Championships and possibly be the top female swimmer in all the NCAA.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 16, 2021 17:04:45 GMT -5
There’s an argument for that second piece. My opinion is muddied because I was still competing when Caster Semenya was just becoming known. And my half mile time is faster than hers, the women’s world record. And her situation is different because she didn’t choose to be who she is, but for many trans people, the choice is a life of misery or not misery.
I do understand the problem here. Perhaps there should be an asterisk next to the record. I personally wouldn’t have a problem with that, but I’m not a trans athlete. If you told Lia: Despite you being uncomfortable living as a man, we’re going make you do that if you want to continue doing your sport. That seems downright mean.
Despite what you might think, the liberal position here is difficult for me because I was an athlete. Unfair advantages in sport do harm others. But where do you draw the line between allowing someone to be happy vs the (very uncommon) situation where the person in question dominates her sport now. I’m not smart enough to have a good answer.
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