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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 15:39:59 GMT -5
Interesting coaching note: College of Charleston Head Coach Earl Grant was hired by Boston College. College of Charleston (CAA) just now hired Pat Kelsey, HC from Winthrop. If you remember, Kelsey took the UMASS job then changed his mind right before the introductory press conference. Interesting move for someone that has been so successful at Winthrop to take only a half(?) step up but an interesting note on the coaching carousel, nonetheless.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 25, 2021 16:03:22 GMT -5
Charleston has a pretty spectacular restaurant scene.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 25, 2021 22:43:01 GMT -5
Cincy coach got the ax late tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 6:31:11 GMT -5
Cincy coach got the ax late tonight. There was a fake report saying that. No truth to it (yet).
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Post by MisterD on Mar 26, 2021 10:24:09 GMT -5
Shaka Smart to Marquette is ... pretty weird.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 26, 2021 10:34:51 GMT -5
He's from Wisconsin.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 26, 2021 10:37:46 GMT -5
I know, but its still weird or atleast unique. Usually when coaches move under contract, its upward and not when they could be on the verge of being fired and picking up a pretty huge (I saw a reported $7.1MM) buyout.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 26, 2021 11:34:32 GMT -5
I know, but its still weird or atleast unique. Usually when coaches move under contract, its upward and not when they could be on the verge of being fired and picking up a pretty huge (I saw a reported $7.1MM) buyout. I didn’t see that coming. Coach Smart is still only 43. He’s got a whole lot of gas left in the tank. He is a nice fit for the Big East cast of coaching characters.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 26, 2021 13:58:18 GMT -5
That feels like getting out of Texas before they fire you in a year because he's on hot seat after another quick exit in tournament this year
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2021 14:28:16 GMT -5
I know, but its still weird or atleast unique. Usually when coaches move under contract, its upward and not when they could be on the verge of being fired and picking up a pretty huge (I saw a reported $7.1MM) buyout. Probably saw Marquette this year as a better choice than not knowing what's going to happen.
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Post by 1863 on Mar 27, 2021 0:07:57 GMT -5
From the posts I saw from people who follow Texas basketball, yes, Shaka Smart was on the hot seat there. Other factors cited included that there were so many Texas schools competing for a limited pool of players, U-Texas being a football school and Marquette a place where basketball is king. Also, as someone else mentioned, it's Smart's home state.
Some Texas fans felt he should have stayed with VCU, since he built it into a powerhouse. I'm sure a guy like Smart would want to test himself as a coach in a bigger program and a more prestigious league than the A-10, so he would've leapt sooner or later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:47:33 GMT -5
Fordham hires Jay Wright assistant Kyle Neptune as their next Head Coach. I don't think anyone will disagree that Jay Wright is a top 10 or 20 head coach in the country, but his assistants have been mediocre AT BEST when taking over as a HC without previous HC experience (even with some HC experience they haven't been great-looking at Billy Lange). Even going to coach D3 or High school, there is something about HC experience that seems to be a constant, and the former assistants have struggled mightily. Are ADs really this ignorant?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 30, 2021 10:54:12 GMT -5
Fordham hires Jay Wright assistant Kyle Neptune as their next Head Coach. I don't think anyone will disagree that Jay Wright is a top 10 or 20 head coach in the country, but his assistants have been mediocre AT BEST when taking over as a HC without previous HC experience (even with some HC experience they haven't been great-looking at Billy Lange). Even going to coach D3 or High school, there is something about HC experience that seems to be a constant, and the former assistants have struggled mightily. Are ADs really this ignorant? Was thinking the same thing!
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Post by 1863 on Mar 30, 2021 12:17:15 GMT -5
Fordham......that's a MIGHTY TOUGH gig for either a rookie head coach or veteran coach.
I'm not so sure that even John Wooden could resurrect that program.
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Post by vital on Mar 30, 2021 21:09:01 GMT -5
Fordham......that's a MIGHTY TOUGH gig for either a rookie head coach or veteran coach. I'm not so sure that even John Wooden could resurrect that program. will he do a better job than his previous co-worker?
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 30, 2021 22:12:32 GMT -5
Fordham......that's a MIGHTY TOUGH gig for either a rookie head coach or veteran coach. I'm not so sure that even John Wooden could resurrect that program. To 1863's point, this is brutal ...
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Post by glorydays on Mar 31, 2021 4:48:23 GMT -5
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Post by LaSallePal on Mar 31, 2021 5:31:55 GMT -5
Fordham hires Jay Wright assistant Kyle Neptune as their next Head Coach. I don't think anyone will disagree that Jay Wright is a top 10 or 20 head coach in the country, but his assistants have been mediocre AT BEST when taking over as a HC without previous HC experience (even with some HC experience they haven't been great-looking at Billy Lange). Even going to coach D3 or High school, there is something about HC experience that seems to be a constant, and the former assistants have struggled mightily. Are ADs really this ignorant? Not for nothing but Scott Drew was hired as a head coach at Valparaiso with no head coaching experience and a resume that said "Homer Drew is my dad," grabbed 20 wins in one year, then spent 18 years at Baylor leading up to this year's Final Four. Mick Cronin had no head coaching experience before winning 74% of his games at Murray State en route to UCLA via Cincinatti and this year's Final Four. Kelvin Sampson has pre-D1 head coaching experience, but he's also the coach most likely to vacate this appearance. Oh, and Mark Few's first head coaching job was Gonzaga. Pulling back to the Elite Eight, Juwan Howard had no head coaching experience, Eric Musselman has had either 16 or 20 coaching jobs if you count the international stuff, 9/13 of which were head gigs so in several instances head coaching experience did not seem to engender immediate success, Andy Enfield had two years at Florida Golf Coast and one My Super Sweet Sixteen which he parlayed into 8 years and counting at USC as a head coach, and then there's Wayne Tinkle, who got hired at Montana without any head coaching experience and took them to three first round tournament exits before fluking into this year's regional finals. Finding talent is hard, and it's what real, high level athletic directors do well instead of hiring consulting firms, theatrically "conducting a national search" and plucking random people from Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 6:44:27 GMT -5
Sure, some coaches can do it. But from Jay Wrights tremendous success has been very middling results for HCs.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 31, 2021 10:19:48 GMT -5
Every Fordham hire since 1986 has had head coaching experience. That’s not the issue.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 1, 2021 10:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Apr 2, 2021 18:16:26 GMT -5
Porter Moser to Oklahoma. Wonder what perks he got to top Loyola Chicago's offer. Which begs the question, what are the perks in Ash's and Baptiste's contracts?
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Post by MisterD on Apr 2, 2021 19:40:00 GMT -5
Which begs the question, what are the perks in Ash's and Baptiste's contracts? Union season tickets which are presumably a lot cheaper without McKenzie and Aaronson around.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 2, 2021 19:58:21 GMT -5
Porter Moser to Oklahoma. Wonder what perks he got to top Loyola Chicago's offer. Which begs the question, what are the perks in Ash's and Baptiste's contracts? Sister Jean is going to crack Moser’s knuckles with a metal yardstick.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2021 14:59:22 GMT -5
UNC going with a top assistant at a major program without head coaching experience. What a huge mistake, eh guys?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 5, 2021 16:24:02 GMT -5
Why didn’t they just make (insert former player who has coached AAU sparingly) the coach? He thinks he’d be great at it.
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Post by weston2 on Apr 6, 2021 15:28:59 GMT -5
Porter Moser to Oklahoma. Wonder what perks he got to top Loyola Chicago's offer. Which begs the question, what are the perks in Ash's and Baptiste's contracts? Pioneer Woman brings her lunch basket to practices....... ...
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 6, 2021 16:52:49 GMT -5
Dunning-Kruger effect always on full display here.
Some people will never stop thinking about how someone disagreed with them once and no matter what level of competence our coach displays, his hiring will always be the right decision because it’s the decision they supported at the time.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 6, 2021 17:37:31 GMT -5
Dunning-Kruger effect always on full display here. Some people will never stop thinking about how someone disagreed with them once and no matter what level of competence our coach displays, his hiring will always be the right decision because it’s the decision they supported at the time. Let's be fair here, tons of posters do that. We even have a poster who dredges up posts from years ago to try and zing other posters.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 6, 2021 20:39:30 GMT -5
Dunning-Kruger effect always on full display here. Some people will never stop thinking about how someone disagreed with them once and no matter what level of competence our coach displays, his hiring will always be the right decision because it’s the decision they supported at the time. The board's biggest advocate for the zero experience, publicly lobbying "candidate" is citing Dunning-Kruger effect. That's ... almost beautiful.
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