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Post by broderickpresident on Jan 19, 2021 13:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 19, 2021 14:29:37 GMT -5
Wish it wasn't happening, will miss him. Gill and Brickus obviously moved ahead of Hikim and were taking the minutes. It will be interesting to see where he lands.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:31:50 GMT -5
The status of the program right now is laughable. We look absolutely awful and have kids leaving mid season. That's stuff you see from Fordham. And before people point to top programs that have kids leave mid season, that's because the writing is on the wall because there is a good team in front of them and they want to play. Stone and Hikim either have no talent and were terrible recruiting decisions, or Ash and Co. couldn't coach them up AT ALL. This team is borderline unwatchable and to see players that they touted so highly leaving so quickly is discouraging to say the least. Outlook is BLEAK.
"We are excited to add Ayinde Hikim to our La Salle basketball family," Howard said. "He comes from a strong prep school program in Mount Zion, where he proved to be one of the best point guards in the nation on the prep school circuit. Ayinde is bringing high basketball IQ, toughness and a winning pedigree to our team -- all qualities that will be valuable for our desired culture."
solid culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:33:26 GMT -5
Wish it wasn't happening, will miss him. Gill and Brickus obviously moved ahead of Hikim and were taking the minutes. It will be interesting to see where he lands. I think Gill had 2 of the worst shots i've ever seen in Division 1 basketball yesterday too. Actually maybe over all levels of college basketball. |
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Post by walkon on Jan 19, 2021 14:35:57 GMT -5
He’s a wonderful young man, he will be missed.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 19, 2021 14:42:16 GMT -5
We now have one scholarship to use if all of our seniors come back next year. We desperately need more help. Especially in the frontcourt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:43:23 GMT -5
We now have one scholarship to use if all of our seniors come back next year. We desperately need more help. Especially in the frontcourt. Am I the only one that thinks the seniors coming back would be the worst thing to happen to this program since 2004? |
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 19, 2021 14:44:05 GMT -5
We now have one scholarship to use if all of our seniors come back next year. We desperately need more help. Especially in the frontcourt. Am I the only one that thinks the seniors coming back would be the worst thing to happen to this program since 2004? No. If I were Ash I would politely help them find another program. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 19, 2021 14:45:54 GMT -5
He started 11 games last year, none this year. I guess he wanted to be a starter again.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 19, 2021 14:46:33 GMT -5
Wish it wasn't happening, will miss him. Gill and Brickus obviously moved ahead of Hikim and were taking the minutes. It will be interesting to see where he lands. I think Gill had 2 of the worst shots i've ever seen in Division 1 basketball yesterday too. Actually maybe over all levels of college basketball. I was forced to listen yesterday so did not see the action. That is saying a lot because guys on this squad (Kenney, Ray, etc.) have hads some doozies at times when I have watched:)! |
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Post by MisterD on Jan 19, 2021 14:46:51 GMT -5
I love people saying we need to shrink the rotation and play strict meritocracy also mad when a kid who fell behind other players his year or lower decides to look elsewhere.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 19, 2021 14:49:48 GMT -5
The status of the program right now is laughable. We look absolutely awful and have kids leaving mid season. That's stuff you see from Fordham. And before people point to top programs that have kids leave mid season, that's because the writing is on the wall because there is a good team in front of them and they want to play. Stone and Hikim either have no talent and were terrible recruiting decisions, or Ash and Co. couldn't coach them up AT ALL. This team is borderline unwatchable and to see players that they touted so highly leaving so quickly is discouraging to say the least. Outlook is BLEAK. "We are excited to add Ayinde Hikim to our La Salle basketball family," Howard said. "He comes from a strong prep school program in Mount Zion, where he proved to be one of the best point guards in the nation on the prep school circuit. Ayinde is bringing high basketball IQ, toughness and a winning pedigree to our team -- all qualities that will be valuable for our desired culture." solid culture. We really haven't had a lot of transfers at all. Half of the programs in the A10 lost players to transfer this season. Did you not see what happened to UMass, URI, Bonnies, GW and Duquesne over the course of the last several months. You are honestly just making up your own facts to again, generalize the outlook of the program. Some players don't work out and I wish the best for Hikim as do all of us. He had a great attitude and work ethic and I'm sure it's hard for Ash, the staff and team to see him go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:54:57 GMT -5
Did you see who UMass brought in? Did you see who URI brought in? Did you see who Bonnies brought in? Have you seen how Schmidt has his team playing? If you want to compare yourselves to the GWs and Fordhams of the conference.... that's on you. I'm not saying it won't happen. But When your own guys are leaving after less than 2 years and your team sucks... that's a red flag IMO.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 19, 2021 14:59:04 GMT -5
"I want top level A-10 players and I want them to be ok with reduced playing time."
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 19, 2021 15:01:04 GMT -5
Did you see who UMass brought in? Did you see who URI brought in? Did you see who Bonnies brought in? Have you seen how Schmidt has his team playing? If you want to compare yourselves to the GWs and Fordhams of the conference.... that's on you. I'm not saying it won't happen. But When your own guys are leaving after less than 2 years and your team sucks... that's a red flag IMO. Yea, we brought in Moore, Gill and Brickus and they took time away from him. Bonnies and Richmond clearly don't suck and it happens to them all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 15:03:02 GMT -5
Did you see who UMass brought in? Did you see who URI brought in? Did you see who Bonnies brought in? Have you seen how Schmidt has his team playing? If you want to compare yourselves to the GWs and Fordhams of the conference.... that's on you. I'm not saying it won't happen. But When your own guys are leaving after less than 2 years and your team sucks... that's a red flag IMO. Yea, we brought in Moore, Gill and Brickus and they took time away from him. Bonnies and Richmond clearly don't suck and it happens to them all the time. yeah.... they win. That's why. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 15:04:32 GMT -5
"I want top level A-10 players and I want them to be ok with reduced playing time." Well, I never said I want top level A-10 players. I just want a team that isnt embarrassing. Bonnies and Davidson don't recruit the guys VCU, Dayton, and URI does.... yet they can win. It'd be nice to be, I don't know, half of what they are? |
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 19, 2021 15:05:32 GMT -5
The status of the program right now is laughable. We look absolutely awful and have kids leaving mid season. That's stuff you see from Fordham. And before people point to top programs that have kids leave mid season, that's because the writing is on the wall because there is a good team in front of them and they want to play. Stone and Hikim either have no talent and were terrible recruiting decisions, or Ash and Co. couldn't coach them up AT ALL. This team is borderline unwatchable and to see players that they touted so highly leaving so quickly is discouraging to say the least. Outlook is BLEAK. "We are excited to add Ayinde Hikim to our La Salle basketball family," Howard said. "He comes from a strong prep school program in Mount Zion, where he proved to be one of the best point guards in the nation on the prep school circuit. Ayinde is bringing high basketball IQ, toughness and a winning pedigree to our team -- all qualities that will be valuable for our desired culture." solid culture. I have a bit of a different view. I am thinking if our record is 9 and 3 and guys leave because they are not getting the playing time they want we do not look awful. Our record is what makes us look "awful" to me not necessarily the guys leaving. And if you want to blame our record on coaching there is certainly some logic there. But I would suggest to you that just maybe if Hikim and Stone play ahead of other guys who earn the minutes by their better performance the outcome is our record looks more like St Joes. |
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Post by 23won on Jan 19, 2021 15:13:45 GMT -5
It's a whole new world with the portal. Get used to it 15. The big machine Penn State football team lost 5 star recruits to the portal mid year also. Does that mean they suck? No.
Recruiting is a never ending job to keep and replenish because these departures are the new normal. We need to build on the young core that is improving in Brickus, Gill, Clark, Kenney, Moore, and Ray.
The sky is not falling. We are 3-4 in conference and have beaten Dayton. The progress isn't consistent but there is progress. If Ash can add a few pieces to that young group of six we will build on that.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 19, 2021 15:16:55 GMT -5
The sky is not falling. We are 3-4 in conference and have beaten Dayton. Fordham also beat Dayton. While I hear you on 3-4...the 4 have been brutal, and I'm not seeing anything that shows me we will be better than 3-7 after the next 3 games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 15:18:46 GMT -5
Oh, I 100% am combining the two. I don't think you can look at it in a vacuum. We wouldn't look awful because we'd be 9-3 and seemingly pass the eye test. I didn't catch the Dayton game, but the games I have watched, have been dreadful, at best. Sure, we made some shots against fordham, that will happen every once in a while (looks like once every 14 games if we get lucky). Richmond has a good team with a short bench because their top 6-7 guys are REALLY good. I don't blame guy 10 for wanting to play. But typically guys will stay on a team if it's a good one and they are still viewed favorably. If you are on a team that looks as bad as we do, and you're not playing... you either suck or the coaching is terrible. But at the end of the day, this is the coaching staff that wanted them, so it's hard to fault someone other than the coaching staff. No part of this team has looked good though. And these kids obviously don't believe in themselves either because they are watching freshman who for the most part look awful, play above them and get smoked. Yet there are seniors who look equally bad that are still playing a lot. If You want to go the teardown mode, do it. But Beatty and Spencer shouldnt be playing nearly as much as they are with that logic. We are burning the candle from both ends.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 19, 2021 15:23:44 GMT -5
"I want top level A-10 players and I want them to be ok with reduced playing time." His guy G really had players stick around. You know, except for the ones that didn't. Heard about the Hikim thing a month ago. Didn't post because my sources aren't as solid as they used to be. Don't think this will be the last departure for the team, but maybe the last in-season one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 15:25:09 GMT -5
It's a whole new world with the portal. Get used to it 15. The big machine Penn State football team lost 5 star recruits to the portal mid year also. Does that mean they suck? No. Recruiting is a never ending job to keep and replenish because these departures are the new normal. We need to build on the young core that is improving in Brickus, Gill, Clark, Kenney, Moore, and Ray. The sky is not falling. We are 3-4 in conference and have beaten Dayton. The progress isn't consistent but there is progress. If Ash can add a few pieces to that young group of six we will build on that. I was sold on progress last year. We had young guys like Hikim and Kenney who showed promise. moore coming into the fold, Jack getting healthy, and Stone having a year to develop. Hikim is gone. Kenney does not look good at all (as a whole looks disinterested and not capable). Ray works hard and I guess is a good 5th option on a decent team. there certainly will be outliers, but all we have seen is Year 1: ok, Ash's first year. Getting a feel for coaching, not his guys. Year 2: Ok, He has some of his guys, they are showing some promise but they are young. Year 3: He has most of his guys, the ones he recruited haven't gotten better, some have left, we have younger guys that show some promise, but we arent playing winning basketball. It's BS bad shots, turnovers, no defense, no focus. And Year 4 will be exactly the same as year 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 15:27:25 GMT -5
"I want top level A-10 players and I want them to be ok with reduced playing time." His guy G really had players stick around. You know, except for the ones that didn't. Heard about the Hikim thing a month ago. Didn't post because my sources aren't as solid as they used to be. Don't think this will be the last departure for the team, but maybe the last in-season one. You love just saying G is my guy. But this has nothing to do with G. You just like to use that as a deflector for a coach that hasn't done anything to show even remote promise with a program that continues to go downhill. Try looking at a situation without the lens of G. You might be able to see things a little more clearly and be logical. |
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Post by MisterD on Jan 19, 2021 15:32:03 GMT -5
Exploring15, given our situation (conference, location, facilities, $ investment), where do you think we should realistically be in the A-10?
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Post by 3ball on Jan 19, 2021 15:34:27 GMT -5
Hikim clearly passed by Brickus and Gill and rightfully so. Would you have trusted Hikim with the ball in the last 4 minutes yesterday? The transfer portal is affecting everybody. Hopefully the only future transfers are Beatty and Scott. They should see skinny minutes the rest of the year. Keep the rotation to 7 plus Tegra.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 19, 2021 15:36:06 GMT -5
My concern in year 4 is who leaves next, either to step up to a higher level (Ed) or go down to get more playing time. There was a ton of excitement around Hikim and that has gone away this year as Gill and Brickus have gotten minutes. Now they are the shiny new toy that we are all excited about. Do they stay? I bet one of the 2 transfers after next season, and we are left with no upperclassmen depth at that position. Hikim had the ball in his hands to distribute at the end of the Dayton game, had 0 turnovers in 21 minutes, and La Salle won. I liked his explosiveness and hoped he could be coached up by his junior year to make good decisions and be a solid point guard for us in the A10.
The spate of departures in the last 12 months does make me question the program's culture and coaching. Maybe Ed, Brandon, and Hikim weren't fits for Ash. Who knows. Maybe there are other factors at work. If we were winning...or even competitive in some of our games...maybe I'd be less concerned with the departures. I also keep thinking...where's there's smoke, there's fire. Something is smoking.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 19, 2021 15:38:01 GMT -5
If the players who can't get solid minutes aren't good enough to go elsewhere, that's damning for his recruiting. If the players who can't get solid minutes are good enough to go elsewhere, that's damning for his coaching. And I'm sure if players who can't get solid minutes are good enough to go elsewhere but don't, that's damning for their self-motivation or something.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 19, 2021 15:40:37 GMT -5
I liked his explosiveness and hoped he could be coached up by his junior year to make good decisions and be a solid point guard for us in the A10. I agree he's an A-10 level PG, but the problem is Brickus already looks better. His choice is either to already accept he's a backup or to move on elsewhere to a roster that doesn't have his starting position blocked for the rest of his eligibility. If we got a kid like him the year before Duren, the same thing would have happened. |
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Post by sweat83 on Jan 19, 2021 15:41:48 GMT -5
Not sure what game I was watching, think it might have been the Dayton La Salle game, but the announcers pretty much hit it on the head. We have a team, where (at the time), 9 players were averaging about 20 minutes a game, and 4 guys clumped in the 7-9 ppg range. It is difficult to keep everyone on the team happy, and you will no doubt, have guys that transfer. It's tough to keep everyone content with playing time. They all want more minutes, and the majority of them in the 1st and 2nd year. And this is where we are at.
Right now, it's a tough go. Losing, Covid, remote learning, social issues, outside influences etc. Cannot blame anyone for wanting to leave, regardless where they are playing at, and especially if away from home.
Good Luck to the kid. I hope he finds what he's looking for.
Sometimes...its addition by subtraction. We'll see.
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