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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 20, 2021 13:51:18 GMT -5
I wish people would stop the complaining. Ash has a tough job. Let's not make it tougher. 3-4 now with room to finish with 7-8 A-10 wins, possibly 9. That's progress. Let's get behind it. it took a career game by kimbrough to get by what is a horrible st joe's (pa) team with a non-existent frontline. kudos to him for coming through, but what are the 4-5-6 games left on the schedule you think la salle may win? you do recall the three games prior to st joe's were non-competitive losses where la salle was out of it after 10 minutes, and those weren't exactly against elite teams. i'm glad they beat the hawks, but it wasn't like that performance made me think the team had turned a corner. if this team wins 4 more games, i will be shocked.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 20, 2021 15:42:42 GMT -5
Only 12 pages to go until this reaches "Ed Croswell" status
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 20, 2021 16:24:54 GMT -5
You can't play two guys that are extremely short at the same time. So his minutes would eat into Brickus's minutes. Nothing more to it than that. Don’t tell Chris Mooney that at Richmond. Gilyard is 5’9 and Blake Francis is a generous 6’0. But let’s keep pushing the narrative that you can’t win in the A10 with 2 undersized guards. I’m 6’0. That’s close to 6’3, so let’s say they’re the same.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 20, 2021 16:44:04 GMT -5
Said the guy who's effectively 5'9.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 20, 2021 16:46:06 GMT -5
wait...you guys are saying size matters?
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Post by MisterD on Jan 20, 2021 16:54:29 GMT -5
Don't make me photoshop your avatar.
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 20, 2021 17:00:30 GMT -5
Its all disingenuous anyway. If Howard were running Brickus and Hikim out there for 30 minutes each, he'd be whining about whoever was sitting and matchups. My argument is, for a team whose issue seems to be settling on 3pt shots and just passing the ball around the perimeter (ash even eluded to this in the post game presser after SJU) then wouldn't you want to play a guy who biggest asset is attacking the rim and dishing to the open man ? I agree with you on brickus being the better player and La Salle is better off having him going forward. Also that Ash has a hard job and inevitably a player would have gotten upset about minutes and mostly likely transferred. However, because of late our inability to penetrate i think Hikim could have played more and played while brickus was on the floor.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 20, 2021 17:13:53 GMT -5
And then if _______ transfers because he was sitting for Hikim, then what?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 20, 2021 17:14:58 GMT -5
I’m going to guess Ash will usually run an offense centered around three pointers generated from foul line penetration. Just need the guys that can shoot em.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 20, 2021 17:15:18 GMT -5
And then if _______ transfers because he was sitting for Hikim, then what? How tall was he
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 20, 2021 18:03:49 GMT -5
And then if _______ transfers because he was sitting for Hikim, then what? If beatty or spencer sit because you give hikim their minutes, you dont worry about seniors transferring. And if they do, we just got better for developing our younger player.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 20, 2021 18:15:22 GMT -5
Maybe that costs you future transfers? Who knows, right?
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Jan 20, 2021 22:16:18 GMT -5
He's probably a nice person and a hard working guy, but IMO Clifton Moore's game has not translated well from HS to college when he's matched against players around his height.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 20, 2021 22:24:41 GMT -5
He's probably a nice person and a hard working guy, but IMO Clifton Moore's game has not translated well from HS to college when he's matched against players around his height. Seems to be pretty OT.
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Post by explorers2013 on Jan 20, 2021 22:48:03 GMT -5
I agree he's an A-10 level PG, but the problem is Brickus already looks better. His choice is either to already accept he's a backup or to move on elsewhere to a roster that doesn't have his starting position blocked for the rest of his eligibility. If we got a kid like him the year before Duren, the same thing would have happened. We had Sam Mills and Tyreek. We also had Ramon. Essentially 3 PGs under 6'2. Sure Ramon was a little more of a SG, but played plenty of point. There is always room on the floor for 2 good point guards. Especially on a team this lost. besides maybe Brickus down the road there isn’t a guard on this roster that comes remotely close to the talent or production of Duren, Mills or Galloway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:26:43 GMT -5
We had Sam Mills and Tyreek. We also had Ramon. Essentially 3 PGs under 6'2. Sure Ramon was a little more of a SG, but played plenty of point. There is always room on the floor for 2 good point guards. Especially on a team this lost. besides maybe Brickus down the road there isn’t a guard on this roster that comes remotely close to the talent or production of Duren, Mills or Galloway. I agree. But Joe and others were arguing solely based on height. Which does not have any standing. I’ve made a handful of points to counter them and Joe got upset and just ignores the point. If you want to argue height, then make valid claims. If you want to argue that the kids ash recruited aren’t good enough, that’s fine but don’t mix the two up to fit your narrative.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 22, 2021 3:26:38 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minutes, or more. There’s literally no other equation.
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Post by glorydays on Jan 22, 2021 6:13:49 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minute, or more. There’s literally no other equation. I actually agree with the idea that you can't have 2 players on the court of that size playing together for any length of time. A voice in my head told me to post that in 1966 Texas Western won it all usually starting Willie Worsley, 5' 6" and Bobby Joe Hill, 5'!0". That kind of post would be seeking the approval of of sidclassof69, lasalle69bestever and all the other "old guys". (Hell, it was only 55 years ago.)
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 22, 2021 7:30:30 GMT -5
glorydays with the reference to Glory Road
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Post by sidclassof69 on Jan 22, 2021 9:33:12 GMT -5
Hey glorydays, it’s still nice to know that I’m still a voice in somebody’s head, and that my approval is needed! Thank you- U have made my day!!🤔🤔🤔
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 22, 2021 11:55:50 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minutes, or more. There’s literally no other equation. It's an interesting point. One team in particular that comes to mind is Richmond. They are a solid team but Francis and Gilyard struggle to be efficient when playing together. Also, their defense has had some issues cause of their size on the perimeter. Keep in mind these guys are seniors too. I'm not saying they're bad players whatsoever, they're two of the better guards in the A10 but I do think their size holds them back with both of them on the court.
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 22, 2021 11:59:13 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minutes, or more. There’s literally no other equation. The issue with this argument is Ash wasnt playing Hikim even when Brickus was sitting. He was electing to play Kenney or Beatty at the point. To me this is why he left (not taking into account possibility of an off the court issue). The last three games Hikim played he saw 11min , 7min and 5min. At Dayton and against Fordham he got 20+. If your saying these two cant coexist on the the floor together, fine. However, even as a backup pg he still should have gotten 15 - 20 minutes a night.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 22, 2021 12:11:47 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minutes, or more. There’s literally no other equation. The issue with this argument is Ash wasnt playing Hikim even when Brickus was sitting. He was electing to play Kenney or Beatty at the point. To me this is why he left (not taking into account possibility of an off the court issue). The last three games Hikim played he saw 11min , 7min and 5min. At Dayton and against Fordham he got 20+. If your saying these two cant coexist on the the floor together, fine. However, even as a backup pg he still should have gotten 15 - 20 minutes a night. I don't think Hikim was willing to be the backup PG. Hikim seemed to be in that role for Dayton and Fordham and I think it benefited us partly because he played pretty well. We also shot from the 3 ball at a crazy clip. UMass he had to sit cause he had 4 fouls pretty early and Brickus nearly played the rest of the way. In terms of Beatty and Kenney, I rather invest in Kenney. He's been hot and cold but I think he has a lot of potential and want to see how he plays the rest of the season. I also think Brickus is going to play 30+ minutes a game going forward so the only time Kenney or whomever will play the point is for less than 10 minutes.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 22, 2021 12:24:20 GMT -5
Hikim commits to UMass-Lowell. Good luck to him!
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 22, 2021 13:26:47 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minutes, or more. There’s literally no other equation. It's an interesting point. One team in particular that comes to mind is Richmond. They are a solid team but Francis and Gilyard struggle to be efficient when playing together. Also, their defense has had some issues cause of their size on the perimeter. Keep in mind these guys are seniors too. I'm not saying they're bad players whatsoever, they're two of the better guards in the A10 but I do think their size holds them back with both of them on the court. francis and gilyard struggle to be efficient when playing together? one averages 36 minutes and the other averages 38 minutes, so my guess is they play together quite a bit. at least they did when i've seen them play. combined they average 28.9 pts, 8.3 assists against 3.5 turnovers, 5.5 steals, and 4.6 rebounds per game. from the field, their shooting percentages (approx 41% overall and 33.3% from three) are average and from the line they're a combined 75% but those numbers are nowhere near being inefficient. richmond is 9-3 and 3-1 in league play. i wish our guards and team were struggling like those two.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 22, 2021 14:10:59 GMT -5
francis and gilyard struggle to be efficient when playing together? one averages 36 minutes and the other averages 38 minutes, so my guess is they play together quite a bit. at least they did when i've seen them play. combined they average 28.9 pts, 8.3 assists against 3.5 turnovers, 5.5 steals, and 4.6 rebounds per game. from the field, their shooting percentages (approx 41% overall and 33.3% from three) are average and from the line they're a combined 75% but those numbers are nowhere near being inefficient. richmond is 9-3 and 3-1 in league play. i wish our guards and team were struggling like those two. Richmond plays essentially their starting 5 the entire game. I probably shouldn't have harped on them when they play together. Francis and Gilyard are really good guards, more so Gilyard but they are some of the least efficient players on the team. It's not that their efficiency is terrible, it's okay. It's something the A10 podcast has discussed. They clearly put up plenty of points, don't turnover the ball and fun fact Gilyard has the program's record for most steals. I obviously think their guards are much better than ours but I think the height is a good point because I think it has an impact. Not sure if you saw the game they played against the Bonnies but their size put them at a disadvantage and Osun just a beast inside. Attachments:
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Post by MisterD on Jan 22, 2021 14:23:20 GMT -5
They're also both averaging over 6 attempts from 3 per game. Completely different player types than Brickus + Hikim.
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Post by explorerentourage on Jan 22, 2021 15:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 22, 2021 16:33:58 GMT -5
Your point was that 6-0 is the same as 5-9. They can’t play together. The better one has to play 30 minutes, or more. There’s literally no other equation. The issue with this argument is Ash wasnt playing Hikim even when Brickus was sitting. He was electing to play Kenney or Beatty at the point. To me this is why he left (not taking into account possibility of an off the court issue). The last three games Hikim played he saw 11min , 7min and 5min. At Dayton and against Fordham he got 20+. If your saying these two cant coexist on the the floor together, fine. However, even as a backup pg he still should have gotten 15 - 20 minutes a night. Then Brickus is getting 20-25 and not 30. I heard rumblings about Hikim a month ago. Very possible that he’s been out the door for longer than was public.
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Post by 1863 on Jan 22, 2021 16:41:19 GMT -5
UMass-Lowell and the America East Conference..................quite a step DOWN for him.
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