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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 3, 2020 22:09:28 GMT -5
I ask for a comp and get Olean, NY in the winter. I don’t know that as far as students go, Olean v. Philadelphia really matters that much. Do you think most La Salle students aren’t going to a game on a Wednesday night in February because they’re taking advantage of the many cultural and recreational opportunities Philadelphia has to offer? Or is it more likely they’re sitting in their dorms playing video games, watching TV, drinking, etc.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 3, 2020 22:10:28 GMT -5
Neither one of those cited above were the best players on their team. Especially Whitney. But you know what they both have in common with Ed? They are all quitters. A special kind of asshole to judge a kid without any info behind his very difficult decision. What gets me is grown adults getting so butt hurt over this. Let me ask you guys calling him a quitter with a couple of games left in the season. Do you know what happened with Ed? I sure as hell don't. There could be a million reasons why, some possibly deeply personal. Hell maybe they aren't deeply personal, but it's HIS decision. But no, that doesn't matter. What matter's is some 19 year old kid left us in the lurch so we could possibly get a few more wins this season? Seriously? This is shameful. It really is.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 3, 2020 22:10:34 GMT -5
Neither one of those cited above were the best players on their team. Especially Whitney. But you know what they both have in common with Ed? They are all quitters. A special kind of asshole to judge a kid without any info behind his very difficult decision. Or to judge a respected female alum who brought La Salle to visibility on national TV because you don't like where she works....
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 3, 2020 22:17:34 GMT -5
A special kind of asshole to judge a kid without any info behind his very difficult decision. What gets me is grown adults getting so butt hurt over this. Let me ask you guys calling him a quitter with a couple of games left in the season. Do you know what happened with Ed? I sure as hell don't. There could be a million reasons why, some possibly deeply personal. Hell maybe they aren't deeply personal, but it's HIS decision. But no, that doesn't matter. What matter's is some 19 year old kid left us in the lurch so we could possibly get a few more wins this season? Seriously? This is shameful. It really is. People aren't "butt hurt" over this...but the fact of the matter is....if you quit something before it is over, you are, by definition, a quitter. That's all people are saying. If my kid quits soccer with 4 games left in his season, regardless of the reason, he's a quitter. Why are we so afraid in this society to label something for what it is.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 3, 2020 22:24:09 GMT -5
What gets me is grown adults getting so butt hurt over this. Let me ask you guys calling him a quitter with a couple of games left in the season. Do you know what happened with Ed? I sure as hell don't. There could be a million reasons why, some possibly deeply personal. Hell maybe they aren't deeply personal, but it's HIS decision. But no, that doesn't matter. What matter's is some 19 year old kid left us in the lurch so we could possibly get a few more wins this season? Seriously? This is shameful. It really is. People aren't "butt hurt" over this...but the fact of the matter is....if you quit something before it is over, you are, by definition, a quitter. That's all people are saying. If my kid quits soccer with 4 games left in his season, regardless of the reason, he's a quitter. Why are we so afraid in this society to label something for what it is. Who are you kidding? This is a La Salle basketball messageboard, of course people are butt hurt. People wouldn't be so blithely throwing the word quitter around otherwise. So you're kid comes up to you and says "Dad, I just don't want to play soccer anymore, I can't handle it anymore." And you'll call him a quitter to his face?
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Post by glorydays on Mar 3, 2020 22:27:51 GMT -5
Will this thread ever end?
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 3, 2020 22:28:09 GMT -5
What gets me is grown adults getting so butt hurt over this. Let me ask you guys calling him a quitter with a couple of games left in the season. Do you know what happened with Ed? I sure as hell don't. There could be a million reasons why, some possibly deeply personal. Hell maybe they aren't deeply personal, but it's HIS decision. But no, that doesn't matter. What matter's is some 19 year old kid left us in the lurch so we could possibly get a few more wins this season? Seriously? This is shameful. It really is. People aren't "butt hurt" over this...but the fact of the matter is....if you quit something before it is over, you are, by definition, a quitter. That's all people are saying. If my kid quits soccer with 4 games left in his season, regardless of the reason, he's a quitter. Why are we so afraid in this society to label something for what it is. “Regardless of the reason” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this statement. Look, I wish he could’ve finished out the last 4 or 5 games, and if he just walked out, yeah that doesn’t sit great with me I suppose. But given how little we all know, I’m going to hold off on any vitriol. There’s so many possible scenarios, some more plausible than others that could change my outlook on this so much. And since I’m probably never know more then I do now, which is nothing, I’m choosing to move on.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 3, 2020 22:29:12 GMT -5
Will this thread ever end? Possibly no?
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 3, 2020 22:29:21 GMT -5
A special kind of asshole to judge a kid without any info behind his very difficult decision. Or to judge a respected female alum who brought La Salle to visibility on national TV because you don't like where she works.... Boom. Hypocrisy of this board is astounding.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 3, 2020 22:36:37 GMT -5
So you're kid comes up to you and says "Dad, I just don't want to play soccer anymore, I can't handle it anymore." And you'll call him a quitter to his face? Yep. Actually that discussion was had in my house (at age 13), and I told him that you don't quit on your teammates or in any part of life just when things aren't going your way, or you're tired, or it gets difficult, or you don't like the coach. You finish your commitment, do your best, and then make your decision when that commitment is done, and I'll support the decision. But you don't quit before that commitment is over.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 3, 2020 22:49:48 GMT -5
So you're kid comes up to you and says "Dad, I just don't want to play soccer anymore, I can't handle it anymore." And you'll call him a quitter to his face? Yep. Actually that discussion was had in my house (at age 13), and I told him that you don't quit on your teammates or in any part of life just when things aren't going your way, or you're tired, or it gets difficult, or you don't like the coach. You finish your commitment, do your best, and then make your decision when that commitment is done, and I'll support the decision. But you don't quit before that commitment is over. NM
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Post by MisterD on Mar 3, 2020 23:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Mar 3, 2020 23:24:54 GMT -5
Yep. Actually that discussion was had in my house (at age 13), and I told him that you don't quit on your teammates or in any part of life just when things aren't going your way, or you're tired, or it gets difficult, or you don't like the coach. You finish your commitment, do your best, and then make your decision when that commitment is done, and I'll support the decision. But you don't quit before that commitment is over. Wow, how did that difficult talk you were forced to have affect his future professional prospects?
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 3, 2020 23:41:20 GMT -5
In 8th grade, I was the smallest kid on my baseball team. I had really good experiences playing baseball my whole life until that season, no matter if the team was good or bad.
Most of my teammates in 8th grade were goony jocks who were pretty much jerks. The assistant coach was a drunk whose two kids on the team were total d-bags. The head coach thought he was Billy Martin and constantly yelling and carrying on.
It sucked so much.
I was friends with one kid on the team. He was playing first base and whiffed on a ball tossed his way. The two coaches ripped him a new one. He quit in the middle of the inning. On the spot. He literally told them to go f themselves and left in the middle of the inning. It ruled so hard.
My mom and dad knew I was miserable on that team. So they told me it was okay to just not play baseball anymore. So I just stopped going to games and practices. It was so much better. I might not have stuck it out but either way the last time I played organized sports was truly the least fun experience I had playing organized sports and at least I had a few weekends in the spring to do other things than get screamed at for not dropping down a bunt or sitting on the bench listening to my teammates make fun of homeless people.
I am totally fine with quitting and am really glad my parents gave me permission to do that.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 4, 2020 0:19:58 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if Ed transfers up or down...
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Post by tswg111 on Mar 4, 2020 0:20:41 GMT -5
Best of luck to Ed. I have my opinion on this matter and it is what it is. Would have preferred better timing on it.
Great side discussion going on with the attendance at games from students and others. I like the idea of taking the negatives of a small gym with no seats behind the gym and turning into a positive. There is nothing wrong with that. Interesting thought!
Will be at the game against the hawks with my son on Saturday! Hopefully he is entertained!
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Post by 23won on Mar 4, 2020 6:21:09 GMT -5
I mean ... that’s kinda bullshit? You don’t think Syracuse was developing BJ to be a contributor as an upperclassman? If Ed knows he’s leaving and blows his Achilles in the A-10 tourney, your respect doesn’t move the needle. Whether they’re coming here or leaving here, let the kids decide their lives. By this argument, every lottery pick should just stop playing right now so they don't risk injury. In D1 football many/most top 15 picks bypass the Bowl season. Depending on team and bowl game you can have lower round guys skip the game too.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 4, 2020 6:29:26 GMT -5
I ask for a comp and get Olean, NY in the winter. I don’t know that as far as students go, Olean v. Philadelphia really matters that much. Do you think most La Salle students aren’t going to a game on a Wednesday night in February because they’re taking advantage of the many cultural and recreational opportunities Philadelphia has to offer? Or is it more likely they’re sitting in their dorms playing video games, watching TV, drinking, etc. I think there are statistically more people within driving distance of home and also more things to do in Philadelphia PA then Olean NY. Wonder what % of Bona students come from 30m or less. It’s probably low.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 7:41:24 GMT -5
Yep. Actually that discussion was had in my house (at age 13), and I told him that you don't quit on your teammates or in any part of life just when things aren't going your way, or you're tired, or it gets difficult, or you don't like the coach. You finish your commitment, do your best, and then make your decision when that commitment is done, and I'll support the decision. But you don't quit before that commitment is over. Wow, how did that difficult talk you were forced to have affect his future professional prospects? I wasn't "forced" to have it, but chose to have it. My feeling is, these days, a lot of parents just say "do what you want" instead of guiding their children appropriately for the long haul. In the short term, he finished out the season, tried out for a couple of other different clubs, chose one that he felt would work for him, and kept playing (and oh won a U15 tournament with his new team this past weekend). But to answer your question, I guess I will find out in the long term if, when he is a professional in the workforce, he can be resilient dealing with issues, pain-in-the-butt bosses, etc. and can finish out commitments.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 7:47:08 GMT -5
In 8th grade, I was the smallest kid on my baseball team. I had really good experiences playing baseball my whole life until that season, no matter if the team was good or bad. Most of my teammates in 8th grade were goony jocks who were pretty much jerks. The assistant coach was a drunk whose two kids on the team were total d-bags. The head coach thought he was Billy Martin and constantly yelling and carrying on. It sucked so much. I was friends with one kid on the team. He was playing first base and whiffed on a ball tossed his way. The two coaches ripped him a new one. He quit in the middle of the inning. On the spot. He literally told them to go f themselves and left in the middle of the inning. It ruled so hard. My mom and dad knew I was miserable on that team. So they told me it was okay to just not play baseball anymore. So I just stopped going to games and practices. It was so much better. I might not have stuck it out but either way the last time I played organized sports was truly the least fun experience I had playing organized sports and at least I had a few weekends in the spring to do other things than get screamed at for not dropping down a bunt or sitting on the bench listening to my teammates make fun of homeless people. I am totally fine with quitting and am really glad my parents gave me permission to do that. The difference being...you wanted to stop playing baseball altogether at that point. People weren't being charged admission to watch you play baseball, and you weren't receiving tuition, room, board, academic counseling, perks, etc from playing little league baseball. Ed is going to keep playing basketball...just not with La Salle. And yeah...this gets into the "this is a business" argument...but..it is...why else would Ash be one of the highest paid employees of the University if it wasn't a business?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 7:53:42 GMT -5
I don’t know that as far as students go, Olean v. Philadelphia really matters that much. Do you think most La Salle students aren’t going to a game on a Wednesday night in February because they’re taking advantage of the many cultural and recreational opportunities Philadelphia has to offer? Or is it more likely they’re sitting in their dorms playing video games, watching TV, drinking, etc. I think there are statistically more people within driving distance of home and also more things to do in Philadelphia PA then Olean NY. Wonder what % of Bona students come from 30m or less. It’s probably low. "Arguments with Joe" - Explorer Town style: - asks question - gets factual answer - complains about factual answer - has follow-up from someone else supporting factual answer - puts further conditions on answer because he said factual answer doesn't support what he "thinks"
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Post by MisterD on Mar 4, 2020 8:14:17 GMT -5
But to answer your question, I guess I will find out in the long term if, when he is a professional in the workforce, he can be resilient dealing with issues, pain-in-the-butt bosses, etc. and can finish out commitments. I hope the first time he looks to switch jobs he’s not in the middle of any projects or involved in any future deadlines. Could get contentious.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 8:17:18 GMT -5
But to answer your question, I guess I will find out in the long term if, when he is a professional in the workforce, he can be resilient dealing with issues, pain-in-the-butt bosses, etc. and can finish out commitments. I hope the first time he looks to switch jobs he’s not in the middle of any projects or involved in any future deadlines. Could get contentious. Or gives 2-3 weeks notice and doesn't just show up in his boss' office the day before a "presentation" and quit.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 4, 2020 8:46:46 GMT -5
I think there are statistically more people within driving distance of home and also more things to do in Philadelphia PA then Olean NY. Wonder what % of Bona students come from 30m or less. It’s probably low. "Arguments with Joe" - Explorer Town style: - asks question - gets factual answer - complains about factual answer - has follow-up from someone else supporting factual answer - puts further conditions on answer because he said factual answer doesn't support what he "thinks" Nailed it
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Post by MisterD on Mar 4, 2020 9:20:53 GMT -5
Or gives 2-3 weeks notice and doesn't just show up in his boss' office the day before a "presentation" and quit. What if his project has 8 weeks left? That would be a real bad look from the outside!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 9:21:07 GMT -5
"Arguments with Joe" - Explorer Town style: - asks question - gets factual answer - complains about factual answer - has follow-up from someone else supporting factual answer - puts further conditions on answer because he said factual answer doesn't support what he "thinks" Nailed it When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 9:25:56 GMT -5
Or gives 2-3 weeks notice and doesn't just show up in his boss' office the day before a "presentation" and quit. What if his project has 8 weeks left? That would be a real bad look from the outside! Maybe, but the established courtesy in the US is 2-3 weeks...not leaving that day. Aren't there norms around that in a basketball program as well, like...waiting until the season is done to discuss transferring? How you leave is as important as how you enter.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 4, 2020 9:26:56 GMT -5
I think there are statistically more people within driving distance of home and also more things to do in Philadelphia PA then Olean NY. Wonder what % of Bona students come from 30m or less. It’s probably low. "Arguments with Joe" - Explorer Town style: - asks question - gets factual answer - complains about factual answer - has follow-up from someone else supporting factual answer - puts further conditions on answer because he said factual answer doesn't support what he "thinks" Isn't that the purpose of a message board? Or did I miss a memo? Discussion and disagreement.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 4, 2020 9:28:14 GMT -5
Maybe, but the established courtesy in the US is 2-3 weeks...not leaving that day. Aren't there norms around that in a basketball program as well, like...waiting until the season is done to discuss transferring? How you leave is as important as how you enter. In this instance, its really not important. I don't believe you actually care, which is a compliment.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 4, 2020 9:50:27 GMT -5
Maybe, but the established courtesy in the US is 2-3 weeks...not leaving that day. Aren't there norms around that in a basketball program as well, like...waiting until the season is done to discuss transferring? How you leave is as important as how you enter. In this instance, its really not important. I don't believe you actually care, which is a compliment. It's always important. Why burn a bridge? That's an important lesson to teach kids and young adults, no? Thank you for the compliment.
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