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Post by calsufan on Feb 16, 2021 14:36:25 GMT -5
Freeze the pool. Invent ice basketball. Print money. Earn an extra point for sticking the landing? |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 16, 2021 14:46:48 GMT -5
Freeze the pool. Invent ice basketball. Print money. perfect for when our shooting goes cold |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 16, 2021 15:54:15 GMT -5
jellybean : My understanding is that a detailed, comprehensive structural survey of Hayman Hall / TGA was conducted in conjunction with the latest set of Renovation drawings and cost estimates by Bogrette, et al., in order to determine whether the existing structural columns and floor beams were large enough and strong enough to take the additional anticipated loading that would be involved in constructing a Gentile Arena - like, multi-story structural steel Bowl above Kirk Pool. Apparently it has been determined that it is not economically feasible to attempt to bolster the existing structural members in order to do so, and that for the added cost that would be involved, it would make more sense to raze / demolish Hayman and start from scratch, at an estimated cost well north of $20 million. 1. The presence of Kirk Pool beneath TGA is the key difference between our situation and Loyola of Chicago's ;
2. The existing structural columns and floor beams in Hayman Hall apparently can't take the added load of superimposing the anticipated weight of a 2-story structural steel " Bowl - like " structure in whole or in part above Kirk Pool ; 3. For the cost of attempting to do so, it is a no brainer that you may as well raze Hayman altogether and start from scratch ; note that this would also entail several $million in added Demolition costs ; 4. My understanding is that the John Glaser Insurance Trust Bequest has / had a time deadline to " commence actual construction " and that the money would only be paid out to La Salle on a " matching funds " / " dollar-for-dollar " basis. This would seem to require that La Salle would first have to get formal approval to commence construction ( i.e., a Construction Permit ) from the City of Phila. Dept of Licenses & Inspections, based upon a finalized, approved set of Project Drawings. I don't believe that, to date, La Salle has yet gotten this far along in the process ; 5. The question was raised on an earlier thread as to whether La Salle's recently obtaining City of Phila. Demolition Permits to raze St. Francis and St. Edmond Halls ( adjacent to Hayman Hall / TGA ) satisfied the legal requirement to " break ground " or " commence construction " legally sufficient to trigger the availability of the funds from the John Glaser Insurance Trust Bequest. Appreciate the follow-up 67. Shame we can't get this information from the school and have to get it from a message board. La Salle simply can't be competitive with the current set-up. I was told La Salle had to raise the funds in 10 years or lose the money. I think 10 years is 2023. Not a lot of time for La Salle to get something done now. I was told the gift was over $7 million dollars. Losing that would ridiculously reckless of La Salle if they had any intention of improving the facilities. I would much rather just get the truth so we can all decide on how much effort and emotion investment we would like to give to a program that has no hopes of getting to a consistent winning level. I would also think La Salle would need to be honest with itself to determine if this level of basketball is what they want to be involved with. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 16, 2021 16:16:05 GMT -5
Appreciate the follow-up 67. Shame we can't get this information from the school and have to get it from a message board. La Salle simply can't be competitive with the current set-up. I was told La Salle had to raise the funds in 10 years or lose the money. I think 10 years is 2023. Not a lot of time for La Salle to get something done now. I was told the gift was over $7 million dollars. Losing that would ridiculously reckless of La Salle if they had any intention of improving the facilities. I would much rather just get the truth so we can all decide on how much effort and emotion investment we would like to give to a program that has no hopes of getting to a consistent winning level. I would also think La Salle would need to be honest with itself to determine if this level of basketball is what they want to be involved with. I'm not sure, with the leadership change now, along with the financial woes of the University whether any of this will see the light of day. Assuming they can get someone permanent in role by September...which is a big assumption...I'm not sure their first order of business is going to be a new arena. Realistically, I'm guessing the replacement Prez will take some time evaluating the current staff, hiring their own people, bringing in consultants to create a strategic plan, do the rah rah tour, etc. People will say...oh this one will get it done..based solely on rhetoric and not tangible results. Sound familiar? Check this post with Joe's quote from 2016 and we will see if history repeats itself: explorertown.proboards.com/post/52338 "I think this is all changing. Madam Prez is going to make something happen, I believe in that, and we'll see if it will work. It's something though and there hasn't been something since I started paying attention about 12 years ago. 16 years with the same president, same board and same athletic director will do that....not lack of millionaires." |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 16, 2021 17:41:31 GMT -5
It is like Groundhog day.
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Post by calsufan on Feb 16, 2021 18:08:14 GMT -5
It is like Groundhog day. What is? The discussion?  |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 16, 2021 18:32:40 GMT -5
Thanks for all this info, everyone. My question, is the land where E&F are big enough for a new facility to go right there? If so, perfect, then keep/renovate the Hayman offices, locker rooms for other sports.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 16, 2021 18:59:38 GMT -5
It is like Groundhog day. What is? The discussion? No that there is always an obstacle in the way from getting it done.. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 16, 2021 20:21:16 GMT -5
The plans exist. The renders exist. Don’t know what the hold up is.
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Post by gymrat67 on Feb 18, 2021 11:35:34 GMT -5
Furthermore, it was my understanding that the Glazer money had to be spent on a new facility, not the renovation of the existing facility. DE-LSU84 : I believe that under the national BOCA Code ( as adopted in full as the Building Code of the City of Philadelphia ) , if you renovate more than a certain percentage of the overall square footage of any structure, it is deemed and considered to be a " new " building or facility for purposes of compliance with the Building Code.  |
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Post by gymrat67 on Feb 18, 2021 12:27:53 GMT -5
Would it be possible, and potentially cheaper, to just build a new swimming facility and retrofit Kirk pool for basketball? Just a thought. Not sure if we could fit seats behind the baskets. I have been thinking about this possibility for quite sometime. When they cut some of the swim teams I really thought they were considering it. Likely no correlation but replacing the pool with a court would be really interesting. I have to believe that if it were physically possible and economically feasible or cheaper, Bogrette. et al would have proposed same early on in the process. The physical dimensions ( length, width, height ) of the existing ground floor Kirk Pool space is too small to fit a suitable D-1 collegiate caliber basketball Arena within it. The costs of demolishing the current concrete and rebar reinforced swimming pool, decks, etc. and constructing a new one in an adjacent new building or a connected wing, when added to the cost of the new basketball Arena itself, would be prohibitive. Moreover, assuming that the entrances and concessions stands concourse level of the new basketball Arena were on the ground floor, ideally the basketball court, locker rooms and lower stands would be sunken at least one or more stories below grade level ( substantial added $$$ excavation costs ), with the upper stands above on the second story mezzanine level. [Note : The estimated total height of the gymnasium ceiling would be at least two or three stories above grade /ground floor level, and something like five stories above the below grade basketball court level. ] |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 18, 2021 17:21:28 GMT -5
Flat out depressing.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 18, 2021 18:11:39 GMT -5
Underground depressing
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Post by roaddog77 on Feb 19, 2021 0:37:36 GMT -5
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 19, 2021 8:46:20 GMT -5
Chicago State I would assume got state money?
La Salle is way behind on this for sure but it is much harder for us with no state money.
I really wish La Salle would be open about this. Everything is top secret and always has been.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Feb 19, 2021 9:20:22 GMT -5
Sadly, after all these years of talking about the Gola, very little has actually happened.
At my age,75, I don’t think it ever will, in my lifetime..
When I went to La Salle( 66-69), we didn’t even have a home facility.We used the Palestra.
As I have watched the program dwindle over the years, I have changed my thinking on it.
I used to believe, that as soon as we got a better facility, the program would automatically
improve.( Recruiting,attendance, etc)- but now,even if we did make the Gola( up to today’s standards).
Now, and I know this comes across as an old pessimist talking- I think the new improvements would only change things, slightly- IMO
THANK YOU( for listening to my old man rant)
Have a safe+ wonderful day
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Post by crayzeeguy on Feb 23, 2021 14:08:48 GMT -5
Still waiting for us to capitalize on 2013 when it comes to a new arena and recruiting
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 23, 2021 14:15:17 GMT -5
Still waiting for us to capitalize on 2013 when it comes to a new arena and recruiting You probably will need to keep waiting for eternity. |
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Post by Happy Fortune on Mar 9, 2021 13:22:57 GMT -5
Some facility news in the A10
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 9, 2021 13:43:19 GMT -5
Soloviev is divorced, and has a total of 16 children, 11 from his marriage to his ex-wife, who lives in upstate New York. He also has 5 children from multiple women, who live in the western United States.
He also dropped out of URI. So nice guy, giving that much money to a school he doesn't have a degree from. Net worth of 4.7B with a B.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 9, 2021 15:19:38 GMT -5
Soloviev is divorced, and has a total of 16 children, 11 from his marriage to his ex-wife, who lives in upstate New York. He also has 5 children from multiple women, who live in the western United States. He also dropped out of URI. So nice guy, giving that much money to a school he doesn't have a degree from. Net worth of 4.7B with a B. we should give him an honorary degree |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 9, 2021 15:23:07 GMT -5
Yeah, an honorary degree in having lots of sex!!!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 9, 2021 15:38:46 GMT -5
Yeah, an honorary degree in having lots of sex!!!Women's studies? |
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Post by calsufan on Mar 9, 2021 15:41:17 GMT -5
Yeah, an honorary degree in having lots of sex!!! |
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Post by roaddog77 on Mar 9, 2021 21:26:41 GMT -5
Their practice facility at URI is better than our home area SMH.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 24, 2021 10:15:24 GMT -5
Just re-resd this whole thread that started over 3 years ago. We were so excited when the renderings came out and thought this was happening.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 24, 2021 10:30:14 GMT -5
Just re-resd this whole thread that started over 3 years ago. We were so excited when the renderings came out and thought this was happening. This has been a cycle for decades. La Salle ultimately disappoints. No money and no vision to raise the money and add a side of no desire to do heavy lifting is a bad combination. That has created a very mediocre product. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 24, 2021 10:55:52 GMT -5
Just re-resd this whole thread that started over 3 years ago. We were so excited when the renderings came out and thought this was happening. november 2018 to now is 2 years, 5 months. just sayin'. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 24, 2021 11:07:00 GMT -5
Anything happen between then and now?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 24, 2021 11:41:42 GMT -5
Just re-resd this whole thread that started over 3 years ago. We were so excited when the renderings came out and thought this was happening. november 2018 to now is 2 years, 5 months. just sayin'. my bad. Didn't have my reading glasses on looking at my phone. The small print of "Nov" looked like "Mar". You are correct. The joy of turning 50 this year. |
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