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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 22, 2017 22:25:59 GMT -5
In theory, but the roster doesn't really allow for this type of strategy. Disagree. It worked until about 5 minutes left in the game (down 2 at that point 41-39), and then they hit a couple of 3's. I never felt like La Salle was going to win. Maybe that is just me being negative, but La Salle has not proven to have the score-on-demand guys outside of BJ.
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 22, 2017 22:28:45 GMT -5
I agree with glitterbro. I think the strategy was correct and it worked as we held them to I think 30 below their average. Our inability to make 2-3 three point shots was the ball game Do you think we will start to play stall ball going forward as we did 2 years ago after the Dayton win? No. I think it will depend on who we are playing.
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Post by postup on Nov 22, 2017 22:54:44 GMT -5
I hope you're going because you're curious about the country and want to see it........NOT for the basketball.
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 23, 2017 8:20:28 GMT -5
I hope you're going because you're curious about the country and want to see it........NOT for the basketball. Both. Been to Ireland before but not Belfast. I go for the love of the team and love of the school, win or lose.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 23, 2017 8:46:35 GMT -5
I was at the game. I thought our game plan of slowing it down was good. The crowd went nuts for Walker every time he came into the game and he was basically shut down by the defense. The arena was a very strange arena for basketball. A couple of rows of chairs not on risers behind the nets, and then a big gap behind that to where the regular seats were. I think that played a key factor with some of the shooter's depth perception tonight...particularly from 3. Make 1 or 2 of those 3's and it's a completely different game. I was there too. Very strange when the crowd should be yelling D-E-F-E-N-S-E but were yelling L-O-N-N-I-E W-A-L-K-E-R. I am glad La Salle kept him under wraps on defense because that place would have been a madhouse if he went for 20. Nice La Salle contingent of fans. Couldn't help but think of the former players in the stands for this game. Lionel, Bron Holland, Bobby Johnson , Larry Koretz and Ty Garland. That's some offensive firepower. I was told that Miami had 150 fans who took the charter flight to Reading. No morale victory but I think La Salle defensively came to play and showed consistent hard defense the whole game. Good sign. As for the arena, it seemed dark. Tons of concessions stands.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 23, 2017 8:47:11 GMT -5
I can't believe we're having a conversation that is centered around going 0-15 from three. Just a weird, very difficult stat to accomplish.
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Post by lasalle89 on Nov 23, 2017 9:59:07 GMT -5
In the few interviews I read G said that scoring the ball was not going be a problem this year. It seems to be the major problem. 0 for 15 is unheard of. In the small sample size of games played so far we are better then St Peters and Penn but not competitive with the next level of teams. I hope we are competitive in the A10.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 23, 2017 10:15:50 GMT -5
I Really can't come up with anything to say about this game except that I wish we had lost by less than 10. (it just looks better).
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 23, 2017 10:39:14 GMT -5
I Really can't come up with anything to say about this game except that I wish we had lost by less than 10. (it just looks better). Miami covered.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 23, 2017 10:40:11 GMT -5
In the few interviews I read G said that scoring the ball was not going be a problem this year. It seems to be the major problem. 0 for 15 is unheard of. In the small sample size of games played so far we are better then St Peters and Penn but not competitive with the next level of teams. I hope we are competitive in the A10. This is a consistent mantra though. G has always believed that averages will average out. The problem is when those averages are too low to win.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 23, 2017 10:44:25 GMT -5
I Really can't come up with anything to say about this game except that I wish we had lost by less than 10. (it just looks better). Miami covered. Depends on where you shop. People walking out of the arena last night were saying 11 and 11.5.
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Post by manayunk53 on Nov 23, 2017 11:01:05 GMT -5
Depends on where you shop. People walking out of the arena last night were saying 11 and 11.5. I guess the Black Friday deals hadn't gone into effect yet.
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Post by hoopsguest on Nov 23, 2017 11:16:07 GMT -5
I was at the game. I thought our game plan of slowing it down was good. The crowd went nuts for Walker every time he came into the game and he was basically shut down by the defense. The arena was a very strange arena for basketball. A couple of rows of chairs not on risers behind the nets, and then a big gap behind that to where the regular seats were. I think that played a key factor with some of the shooter's depth perception tonight...particularly from 3. Make 1 or 2 of those 3's and it's a completely different game. Only Super G would schedule a home game in an unfamiliar unconventional arena. Did our guys even practice there on Tuesday? this is why what fans say, sometimes here, and especially with those over at Restore Our Tradition - is sometimes very misinformed. I was told that G didn't want this game - there was another non conference game he wanted. Secondly, I am sure if they could they would have had shoot around and walk thru Tuesday night. But a lot of that becomes dependent on arena availability and the like - things out of G's control. Surely, they should have been able to get into the arena around noon on Wednesday for walk thru and shoot around. EDIT - I am unsure who told him he had to play this game - sometimes ADs step in and make decisions that coaches don't like. Happens in HS and college.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 23, 2017 11:25:27 GMT -5
Only Super G would schedule a home game in an unfamiliar unconventional arena. Did our guys even practice there on Tuesday? this is why what fans say, sometimes here, and especially with those over at Restore Our Tradition - is sometimes very misinformed. I was told that G didn't want this game - there was another non conference game he wanted. Secondly, I am sure if they could they would have had shoot around and walk thru Tuesday night. But a lot of that becomes dependent on arena availability and the like - things out of G's control. Surely, they should have been able to get into the arena around noon on Wednesday for walk thru and shoot around. EDIT - I am unsure who told him he had to play this game - sometimes ADs step in and make decisions that coaches don't like. Happens in HS and college. Kale interviewed Bill Bradshaw earlier this season. Bradshaw gave G great credit for scheduling this game. Miami approached G. G had another non-power team on the schedule. Worked things so we could get a game with a top ranked team. Team stayed over Tuesday night so they had opportunities to have shoot around. Yes there is a lot of bad info and statements out there.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 23, 2017 12:21:54 GMT -5
Depends on where you shop. People walking out of the arena last night were saying 11 and 11.5. That was the morning line. Came down to 10.5 on my book. I stayed away but gave some "advice" which turned out to be luckily, right.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 23, 2017 12:26:46 GMT -5
this is why what fans say, sometimes here, and especially with those over at Restore Our Tradition - is sometimes very misinformed. I was told that G didn't want this game - there was another non conference game he wanted. Secondly, I am sure if they could they would have had shoot around and walk thru Tuesday night. But a lot of that becomes dependent on arena availability and the like - things out of G's control. Surely, they should have been able to get into the arena around noon on Wednesday for walk thru and shoot around. EDIT - I am unsure who told him he had to play this game - sometimes ADs step in and make decisions that coaches don't like. Happens in HS and college. Kale interviewed Bill Bradshaw earlier this season. Bradshaw gave G great credit for scheduling this game. Miami approached G. G had another non-power team on the schedule. Worked things so we could get a game with a top ranked team. Team stayed over Tuesday night so they had opportunities to have shoot around. Yes there is a lot of bad info and statements out there. Part of Lonnie Walker's commitment was playing a game in Reading.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 23, 2017 12:34:53 GMT -5
Depends on where you shop. People walking out of the arena last night were saying 11 and 11.5. When betting chalk, bet early and buy hooks. Joe got bit last year in the Mercer game. Miami -6.5 in the 2nd half was a LOCK.
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 23, 2017 13:09:26 GMT -5
In the few interviews I read G said that scoring the ball was not going be a problem this year. It seems to be the major problem. 0 for 15 is unheard of. In the small sample size of games played so far we are better then St Peters and Penn but not competitive with the next level of teams. I hope we are competitive in the A10. “Ideally you’d like to win a couple of these [tougher] games to develop a postseason resume,” Giannini said. “And we have some more great opportunities in front of us in the Big Five with Villanova and Temple. These wins are really hard to get. But if you can get a couple … “We played great defense. They made us take some tough shots. And when we got some open looks we didn’t make enough of them. And they did.” www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/lonnie-walker-homecoming-la-salle-basketball-miami-reading-high-school-20171122.html
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Post by blueandgold on Nov 23, 2017 13:21:59 GMT -5
I can't believe we're having a conversation that is centered around going 0-15 from three. Just a weird, very difficult stat to accomplish. Last time La Salle failed to make a 3-point FG was vs Saint Peter’s, 3/6/89 (843 games). To put in perspective, Vanderbilt has the longest streak at 1,003 games (still active). Saw somewhere they are one of three teams that has made a 3-point FG every game since the rule was implemented in 1986-87. Coming into this game, we were shooting less than 28% from beyond the arc. After, we are at 24% vs opponents’ 39%.
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Post by festushagan on Nov 23, 2017 13:53:08 GMT -5
Quality wins are hard to get especially when coaching is below average and recruits for the most part are not what we expected, barely division one level! 0 for 15, to any one who was there, we're any of these shots good shots?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 23, 2017 14:35:42 GMT -5
Quality wins are hard to get especially when coaching is below average and recruits for the most part are not what we expected, barely division one level! 0 for 15, to any one who was there, we're any of these shots good shots? There were many good looks. Shots didn't fall. A few rimmed in and out. Miami hit a bank 3. Long range shots from both sides were not falling.
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Post by ogbj20 on Nov 23, 2017 15:34:10 GMT -5
I thought the game plan was good enough to steal this one. We were down 4pts with about 3 minutes to play and that was after missing a couple of lay ups. We needed down the stretch to get a stop or two and rebound the ball. They got some long rebounds by batting the ball backwards. I thought we fought hard from a rebounding effort but to beat a team like this, it has to be a collective effort down low and up top. The interior did a good job against there bigs however those loose and long rebounds have to be ours. We did a good job offensively as far as shot selection was concerned. There were a lot of good looks that didn't fall but there wasn't the rushed shot that we were taking in past games. Overall, the deliberate approach worked and had given us a chance really late. At times, I thought we should have gone earlier in the shot clock to avoid a forced shot late in the shot clock. Miami got the two plays that opened it up resulting in those 3pt shots. They got a few calls go their way and we didn't that we needed down the stretch. I think the team gained confidence in this game. Now if the team can play though their strengths moving forward on offense, limit dribble penetration and play stronger post defense, we can be successful. Let's Go Explorers
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Post by durenduren on Nov 23, 2017 16:05:47 GMT -5
I don't have a ton of care to discuss what we did well when this team has a critical inability to shoot from three. You're not going to win many games when the opposition knows your post play and long ball aren't going to do any damage. Both are hyper-critical issues that have crippled this team, so until those are resolved consistently items like "effort" won't push you to a win.
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Post by vital on Nov 23, 2017 21:28:18 GMT -5
yu cant win games when 3 of your starters in the last 2 games are playing 30+min and scoring 2pts or 0pts....this is why Bj and Pookie are going to struggle....its 2 versus 5 when we have the ball....you can defend but at the end of the day you have to score! Last year we scored and no DEFENSE and now we play Defense with no Offense!
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Post by ogbj20 on Nov 23, 2017 22:50:26 GMT -5
yu cant win games when 3 of your starters in the last 2 games are playing 30+min and scoring 2pts or 0pts....this is why Bj and Pookie are going to struggle....its 2 versus 5 when we have the ball....you can defend but at the end of the day you have to score! Last year we scored and no DEFENSE and now we play Defense with no Offense! I beg to differ. Defense wins games especially when shots are not going in at the rate you expected. We didn't get the stops we needed and rebounds down the stretch to close out the game.
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Post by hoopsguest on Nov 24, 2017 7:48:47 GMT -5
this is why what fans say, sometimes here, and especially with those over at Restore Our Tradition - is sometimes very misinformed. I was told that G didn't want this game - there was another non conference game he wanted. Secondly, I am sure if they could they would have had shoot around and walk thru Tuesday night. But a lot of that becomes dependent on arena availability and the like - things out of G's control. Surely, they should have been able to get into the arena around noon on Wednesday for walk thru and shoot around. EDIT - I am unsure who told him he had to play this game - sometimes ADs step in and make decisions that coaches don't like. Happens in HS and college. Kale interviewed Bill Bradshaw earlier this season. Bradshaw gave G great credit for scheduling this game. Miami approached G. G had another non-power team on the schedule. Worked things so we could get a game with a top ranked team. Team stayed over Tuesday night so they had opportunities to have shoot around. Yes there is a lot of bad info and statements out there. I was told by a good source at the school but outside the program that G wanted to play that other team. They are not going to come out and say "we forced G to play this game" G is not going to say otherwise - he's a company man. As far as Lonnie Walker - I don't think G cares about helping Miami fulfill their promise. Especially since Reading is not exactly a hotbed of talent that we could mine.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 24, 2017 8:27:42 GMT -5
Kale interviewed Bill Bradshaw earlier this season. Bradshaw gave G great credit for scheduling this game. Miami approached G. G had another non-power team on the schedule. Worked things so we could get a game with a top ranked team. Team stayed over Tuesday night so they had opportunities to have shoot around. Yes there is a lot of bad info and statements out there. I was told by a good source at the school but outside the program that G wanted to play that other team. They are not going to come out and say "we forced G to play this game" G is not going to say otherwise - he's a company man. As far as Lonnie Walker - I don't think G cares about helping Miami fulfill their promise. Especially since Reading is not exactly a hotbed of talent that we could mine. I spoke to at least 3 if not 4 people at La Salle including G. G had some other team SCHEDULED but did not want to pass up the opportunity to play a team like Miami. Bradshaw was all for it. Remember he worked with Chaney who played games like this. It doesn't matter if G does or doesn't care about helping Miami or Lonnie Walker or recruiting in Reading. He WANTED to play the game and not pass on the opportunity to help his team and the program. People please stop with the spin.
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Post by vital on Nov 24, 2017 15:23:00 GMT -5
yu cant win games when 3 of your starters in the last 2 games are playing 30+min and scoring 2pts or 0pts....this is why Bj and Pookie are going to struggle....its 2 versus 5 when we have the ball....you can defend but at the end of the day you have to score! Last year we scored and no DEFENSE and now we play Defense with no Offense! I beg to differ. Defense wins games especially when shots are not going in at the rate you expected. We didn't get the stops we needed and rebounds down the stretch to close out the game. yes DEFENSE do win games but they gotta score!! in all the losses its the same no basket when needed...Pookie and BJ will be burnt out by the end of January...
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Post by ogbj20 on Nov 24, 2017 17:14:26 GMT -5
I beg to differ. Defense wins games especially when shots are not going in at the rate you expected. We didn't get the stops we needed and rebounds down the stretch to close out the game. yes DEFENSE do win games but they gotta score!! in all the losses its the same no basket when needed...Pookie and BJ will be burnt out by the end of January... Overall we all know who the 1 & 2 scoring options are on the team, we have to identify another one or two players that can score consistently taking good shots and playing to their strengths. That has to come from the other 5 in the rotations. It can be done by committee. But defense and rebounding has to be done collectively. We loss that game on the defensive end and rebounding down the stretch. Of course, hitting a shot or two would have kept it closer but when your not scoring, you have to get stops and rebound the ball. The stretch where we missed a chance with the role play twice with Tony, BJ missing a tip in and getting an o board only it pass it back out to have the o shoot and miss again and the turnover on pick and pop between BJ and Pookie. Now when the o is not happening, it has to be generated by the defense with a steal or a rebound to someone on a break. We got none of those floor boards or tip backs to secure the ball or to start an easy trip to the basket. Our team was caught watching as their man secured the loose ball and they made an open 3. The other thing is we have to play better one the ball defense. We allow too much penetration early and usually wind up giving up a basket or fouling or both. Get a little stout from the onset of the play and make the guy turn cutting him off by sliding your feet. I think if we execute and finish plays on defense and offense, we will be successful.
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Post by coachd on Nov 27, 2017 12:47:50 GMT -5
Only Super G would schedule a home game in an unfamiliar unconventional arena. Did our guys even practice there on Tuesday? this is why what fans say, sometimes here, and especially with those over at Restore Our Tradition - is sometimes very misinformed. I was told that G didn't want this game - there was another non conference game he wanted. Secondly, I am sure if they could they would have had shoot around and walk thru Tuesday night. But a lot of that becomes dependent on arena availability and the like - things out of G's control. Surely, they should have been able to get into the arena around noon on Wednesday for walk thru and shoot around. EDIT - I am unsure who told him he had to play this game - sometimes ADs step in and make decisions that coaches don't like. Happens in HS and college. Doesn't really matter that it was a Miami home game. We needed to treat it like a home game. G should have had the team out there shooting treys not only pre-game but as soon as court was configured to get used to the environment/odd configuration of arena. Can't go 0 for 15 in a game and expect to beat ANY division one opponent... G blew a golden opportunity there.
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